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So we are talking about an environment with 0.6 Aim Assist and 60 FPS.
I don't think shotgun performance is an issue. I know how to use a shotgun and I have achieved S13 master with it.
If you've fought in the premass belt too, you'd know that three predators will pack you in with SMGs and shoot at each other with hip shots. If they pack you in, you'll be shooting at each other in an unshielded area, and the ease and strength of the SMG hip shot is crazy at that point. Also, you know, there are often situations in ranked matches where you not only have to hit while peaking, but you have to pack up to the front of the enemy and take him down.
As for the shotgun vs smg, I see a lot of pred level players rocking shotguns and peak shooting like panda said. I also see people using smgs. Both are viable and quite balances. The scenario you gave where 3 preds have you surrounded you'd die to shotguns too.
- 3 years ago@hayhor I've rarely seen pred using a shotgun, and I've never seen a shotgun in pred's death box. Or rather, I've never been able to resupply shotgun ammo from an enemy's death box.
- pandareno19993 years agoHero+
@soraoka623 Thanks for clarifying. You wrote .4 in your original post so I was unsure. Now I can see what you intended when you wrote that.
- pandareno19993 years agoHero+
Kind of ironic that this post showed up here just today!
- 3 years ago@pandareno1999 Sorry for the complication. If I got my point across correctly, I'm happy with that.
- Kyldenar3 years agoSeasoned Ace
@hayhor wrote:
@soraoka623PS4 does not do 60 FPS. It's more like 40 or 45 tops.
As for the shotgun vs smg, I see a lot of pred level players rocking shotguns and peak shooting like panda said. I also see people using smgs. Both are viable and quite balances. The scenario you gave where 3 preds have you surrounded you'd die to shotguns too.In that situation, you'd die if they were only armed with P2020s. 3v1 is usually the worst odds (other than 4v1, or 5v1, etc) unless they come at you one at a time.
- 3 years ago@Kyldenar When I say that pred is three people, I didn't mean to say three people at once. I meant to say that pred is a hip-fire SMG, kind of like a shove. Honestly, isn't it too easy to hip-fire SMGs and ARs?
- hayhor3 years agoHero@soraoka623 It isn't hard that is for sure. You know what is weird- They actually nerfed hipfire spread on the smgs when they introduced laser sights. I think you need at least a blue or purple to get back to what the r99 and volt were. I am seeing more MnK players running smgs on stream which I also find interesting. People that ALWAYS ran shotguns running them at times depending on what they find early on. To me this means there may actually be a balance. It used to be the secondary was always a shotgun.
- 3 years ago@hayhor Well, I don't know what you're talking about the PC platform. I think the PC platform will probably have a good balance. I want to talk about the PS4 platform. In other words, an environment with an unusually high aim assist of 0.6 and FPS below 60.
- hayhor3 years agoHero@soraoka623 I was giving you more evidence to help your case about smgs being stronger now. If you don't want it no problem.
- 3 years ago
By the way, I don't see mention of the Prowler, which is still super weak. People thought the full auto on it was OP, when, practically speaking, it just made the Prowler another option versus the R-99; both were still good in an age without the Volt.
Bring back full auto on the Prowler. Or make a hop up for it, because 3 shot bursts is not a good option for a close range weapon.
- Kyldenar3 years agoSeasoned Ace@KelRiever Prowler is 5 shot bursts. Which is why I never use it any longer than I have to. Without and extended mag, you are reloading every 4 trigger pulls.
- hayhor3 years agoHero@KelRiever The issue with the prowler is as kyldenar says, the mag. This really showed in gun run as it was white mag I believe. With a purple mag it can be a beast in burst. I like it is kept a burst gun but make it stronger. The tradeoff for it not being easy auto is it has more bullets.
- 3 years ago
Sorry, I know its 5 not 3, I should have said limited bullet burst.
My problem is not just magazine size, but you have to hit with like every shot to be worth it, and that's probably not happening at close range with the Prowler.
The idea of a heavy round SMG is good, limiting burst size is not. A purple mag can help, you are right too, but I don't think I'd pack a purple mag on a Prowler over a Flatline, which is infinitely more useful
- Kyldenar3 years agoSeasoned Ace
For me the prowler holds attachments till I find a CAR.
- 3 years ago
Right! I forget mentioning the CAR, I mean, in particular this SMG which can use all the same attachments is so much more useful.
- hayhor3 years agoHero@KelRiever You won't hit all your shots with a Car either tho. At one point a burst prowler was highest dps in the game. Every high level player who didn't use a shotty went to it because in hip fire it did the most damage and was the most accurate. Then they nerfed it and now it sits there with no one using it. If it has one more burst per mag size I'd use it.
- 3 years ago@hayhor What are your thoughts on shotgun usage being too low in Apex on PS4?
- hayhor3 years agoHero@soraoka623 I haven't seen them being too low. I'm still seeing them. It's more balanced now. It used to be the close up gun was only a shotgun. I still use a pk because I can hit that one shot for 90 after swapping and I only have to dedicate one inventory slot to ammo for it. But I also sometimes use an smg. Just depends what I find early on.
- 3 years ago
@soraoka623 wrote:
@hayhorWhat are your thoughts on shotgun usage being too low in Apex on PS4?It’s a non-issue. Same goes with the sentinel and other snipers on console.
- Kyldenar3 years agoSeasoned Ace@Cheese9Man Exactly!
Unlike most FPS games, Shotgun/Shiper is not meant to just be One Hit Kill weapons. The TTK in this game is a feature, not a bug.
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