So this game on PC has insane problem with cheating right now. And basically it can't be stopped because they can't detect the difference between player input to adjust for things like recoil/aim and a software/hack doing it for them.HOWEVER, has Respawn considered the fact that they have stat trackers for headshots etc. I'm pretty sure you could easily auto detect cheating by simply tracking shots fired, shots landed, percentage of headshots landed out of those and I'm sure you would see a massive obvious difference in these basic, trackable statistics that would differentiate between cheaters and the TOP Legit Predator players of Apex Legends.Like statistically legit top predators won't hit those headshots the same way cheaters will. I'm pretty sure Respawn CAN figure out how to first study these statistics of known cheaters, and THEN see which statistics clearly show the difference the most and boom, they now have an Auto Algorithm that doesn't have to detect any software (which they can't) they just need to track stats like this.Wouldn't this work? Wouldn't they also reliably be able to track movement within the game?As for how these cheaters get into pred Lobby with Smurf accounts, what is the problem there exactly?Set up a barrier so that accounts younger than a week CANNOT GET TO PREDATOR. Just make it a hard lock that the account has to have reached a higher player level to even get to enter?Or why does their barriers fail in keeping them out of Pred lobby to begin with? I can't believe there is NO way for the Developers to beat cheating 🤨Surely there's a way to fix their game to make it impervious too it? I think they are just dumb honestly 😑 figure out what variables you can control, and study that. Like make a freaking effort to figure it out.

@Metr🤭din If it was that simple they would be doing it. Simply put there is more to it. If you have a program that detects headshots, you then have someone get lucky and land a bunch of headshots, they get wrongfully banned. Now the TOS team has to deal with reviewing that persons account and unban them. Some of the very high skill players aim for nothing but headshots. They are extremely good at as well. I've bumped into top 100 preds in matches, they land a ton of headshots, it's really insane. Some of them I have heard of and I can tell you they do not cheat. They just have really good aim, really good recoil control and are really good at the game. If they did not have the top 100 pred badges I would assume they were cheaters at the death report. But when I spectate them it's clear they are high skill players. Their movement, their play, the way they rotate, everything is top notch.

@E9ine_AC That sounds fine to me. Have you ever heard of shadow banning? Where basically a person who is reported enough times is dumped into a weird high ping lobby of bots and I'd they continue to cheat it becomes obvious.

Why would they look at stats when they have the whole log of the match? With what they log they can simulate the match from any perspective they like, at any speed they desire, generate all sorts of graphs that could reveal unusual discrepancies. They are probably using AI as well, to go through certain checks faster. All in all , the system behind is a lot more complex than just reading from stats, but there's a crucial problem: time. In order to review a case or a match with reported cheaters, they probably need hours. With Apex reaching over 100 million players, it's not hard to deduce that there are millions of matches, of which hundreds of thousands may be with reported players. This is why cases can take months to get resolved.AI is the future for having a chance in the fight against cheaters, but right now it's not reliable enough to take complete control, humans are still needed to validate findings and decide on the verdict.Also, since you call them dumb, you do realize that those stats come from the same logs of a match, right?

@DarthValtrex Maybe cuz you haven't come across aimbot on PC like we PC players have. Besides OP is talking about PC cheats here, so console experience is of no consequence here.Can a person get lucky that every shot he takes against each enemy in the entirety of one game is a clear headshot? No. I am not talking about killing 1 guy with all headshot, but killing like say 10 with a 100% headshot accuracy. Not even preds can do that.

@Metr🤭din This would work for blatant head shot cheaters but then again they are blatant and easily dealt with. I've seen cheaters that opt for a more "realistic" approach and just beam people's body and by god while I was spectating them it was hard to discern their aim from good players.Regarding rank I think adding more requirements is a must. It's so easy to just make a new account and since they're most likely cheating they'll breeze on through the level 10 requirement. Not to mention realistically level 10 accounts won't know the map well enough for those players to even think about playing rank.I think devs needs to up their security more. It's really weird how some cheaters are able to go "god like" and alter the game itself. I've seen cheaters fly around and use charge rifles like lightsabers.

Stopping cheating by simply tracking Stats?

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E9ine_AC
Hero+
5 years ago
@hayhor Can not say I have heard of shadow banning. In the mmo world which is work i do for my game and did for other games such as wow/everquest and such. So we flat banned accounts and dont got to worry about those type of things. This was back in eary 90's to about 2016 when i parted ways and did my own thing. So the type bans and such are pretty new to me. My brain just thinks of ways i would of done it.
DoYaSeeMe
5 years ago
Why would they look at stats when they have the whole log of the match? With what they log they can simulate the match from any perspective they like, at any speed they desire, generate all sorts of graphs that could reveal unusual discrepancies. They are probably using AI as well, to go through certain checks faster. All in all , the system behind is a lot more complex than just reading from stats, but there's a crucial problem: time. In order to review a case or a match with reported cheaters, they probably need hours. With Apex reaching over 100 million players, it's not hard to deduce that there are millions of matches, of which hundreds of thousands may be with reported players. This is why cases can take months to get resolved.
AI is the future for having a chance in the fight against cheaters, but right now it's not reliable enough to take complete control, humans are still needed to validate findings and decide on the verdict.
Also, since you call them dumb, you do realize that those stats come from the same logs of a match, right?
lnxtvv
5 years ago
@E9ine_AC and your problem are me evidently.....everywhere i write appear you with your best comment...and you are expert? yes expert of stalking....yes i hate company where offer you a corrupt product...i play apex because for now on the market not exists nothing of interesting..i play many games of EA but with a problem not solved same this i never see.....and company not work for solve cheaters problem for me he as failed...cheat are update every month or week and this anticheat is update every 2/3 month, is normal for you? your antivirus update everydays or every years?
E9ine_AC
Hero+
5 years ago
@lnxtvv Not a game on this planet that does not have some form of cheating. Via actual cheats to known exploits. No one can stop them. No matter how much money a company makes it cannot be stopped.

Lets compare as ive done in posts before. Fortnite is worth 17 billion. Has cheaters..

Valorant in 1 year made over 2 billion yet has cheaters.

GTA 5 been out since 2014 bringing in billions as well. Yet a game this old a game that makes this much money still has cheaters....

What you think is a easy fix is virtually impossible to stop. I do not stalk you but when i see you post the same thing on every single post talking ill against them non stop i will say something. You dogging a company for something they will never have control over is beyond your thought process.
DoYaSeeMe
5 years ago
We can get a glimpse of what Respawn is doing to fight cheaters by looking at the game security analyst job description: https://www.respawn.com/careers/game-security-analyst-japanese-fluency-apex-legends

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