Taking the fun and skill out the game

@Foofer37 If you're hot-dropping all the time, then yes, I believe a lot of luck is involved.  But if strategically drop where there's less traffic you should have enough time to loot up for the first fight.  Yes, there's those situations where the one other team that lands with you were lucky and obtained better shields, guns, etc. and pushes you into a fight where you're at a huge disadvantage. But it the long run you receive the luck just as much as the other team and it balances out.  And if you do land somewhere and don't obtain enough loot where you think you can engage in a fair fight, then continue looting and avoid other teams.  I understand a team can roll up on you at any time, but I believe this is fairly controllable, especially early game.  1. Pay attention to where other people around you are dropping. 2. Identify their likely rotation related to the next circle. 3. Listen for gunshots.  I know for me, if I don't feel I'm looted appropriately, or those random times where you're solo in 3's, I can pretty much avoid my way into a top 5 (at least) situation, and by then I have plenty of loot. 

Also, as a guy who has many times landed on a great shield/gun/plenty of ammo and died to some dude with a Mozam-weak and white shield, I can attest skill (or lack thereof) has something to do with the outcome of this game. 

I hear you guys, but I get very little to no luck. Sure, there are times when I get a break, grab a couple kills etc. But soooooo often, it really seems that my account is just cursed 🙂

A couple times I managed to kill a couple guys and they had like fully kitted r-99's or hemlocks or whatever. And we're like 2 minutes into the match. And I'm like, how in the world do these guys always get this stuff. I never find good weapons. Another thing I see alot is guys squading together. My team and I get smoked in 3 seconds and here are like 4-5 guys standing around us looting. C'mon with this stuff 🙂

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@LordloshBang What part is nonsense? Bangalore got a buff in S3 if memory serves me right.. Double ult damage from 20 to 40 i think it was but you can go search the exact details.

In the case of some legends they need complete reworks not buffs for competitive play but they could ease the situation as things are and just off the top of my head both Titanfall and Dirty Bomb have far better movement than Apex.

Yes people move away from games and change but some are standout issue or things they have removed that people enjoyed. Those people would have stayed if things were different or prioritised differently. Nerfing favourite legends, sound issues, game stability not addressed and other things over time accumulate and push people away.

@Sir_Named Reducing cd or increasing AoE (not sure if that was part of a previous buff or not) is one way and as she's a soldier, reduced recoil could be part of her passive. Not so great for comp scene but easier for new players to get the hang of the game.

Edit: @rloaz34 Anything that hinders you or your team less can be considered a good buff. Just look at Caustics recently for example.

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Season 3 was long ago, not recently ago, but okay.

Bangalore ult is crap, from 20 to 40 damage, means nothing. Ain`t helping her even one a bit.

Reworking completely so much legends, its not an easy thing and you should do a lot of work to do so.

But i won`t argue more about that. 
I just don`t agree with your point and i think totally different. Just like you don`t agree with my point.

For me Legends in Season 1-2-3 was completely broken. Also no matter for what game we are talking about, MK, POE, Diablo, AL or whatever, you don`t achieve good balance with just straight up buffs for the weaker characters. You are going to end up with a mess.

@LordloshBang We're only mid S5 so not last season but the one before, which wasn't that long ago considering we're still only in the first half of the second year. So when you say to someone ''Sorry but you are talking nonseses. Bangalore in his whole existent never ever got a buff'' it is in fact you who is talking nonsense.

The fact that the damage was doubled made it a huge buff and anything with an increase of 100% is pretty significant. She might not be picked for scrims or tournaments but she's viable in higher tier lobbies as ShivFPS for example plays her often in master rank.

Lifeline was ok and apart from the combat medic role being taken away from her by other legends that have nothing to do with being a medic ie Gibbys dome buff and Mirages rez ect.. she was fine where she was both in pickrate and W/L ratio but they made an unnecessary rework on an ability i have NEVER heard anyone complain about especially when others should have had the attention to ''change the meta''. 

If it takes so much work and resources to do then why do you think that is?

Every game you mentioned isn't the same genre or even a shooter for that matter. If something is OP then nerf it and equally if something is underwhelming then give it a buff but changing things around for the sake of it and taking that ''fun factor'' out the game isn't a good thing.  It will try to accomplish something that is already out there and better. 

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@apostolateofDOOM wrote:
@LordloshBangIncrease the speed of Bangalores passive and activation of her ult or the duration of bloodhounds tactical even if by a couple of seconds would make them both quite formidable on top of their fairly recent buffs. 

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I was talking about this exactly. Season 3 was not fairly recent. You can call season 4 recent, not season 3. :D And everyone knows Bangalore got 1 of the worst ult ingame, so uping the damage from 20 to 40, ain`t doing a thing for her.

Claiming anything else is nonseses.

You obviously ain`t playing a Bangalore, saying this is a huge buff. :F

And from the top streamers, yeah Shiv is the one that maining her. She is bang average and everyone knows that. She got zero pick in competitive, and close to 1% in high to top level of gameplay.

As far as the Lifeline rework i agree that it was unnecessary and she was perfect(she was the third most picked legend for many seasons). But they probably wanted to shake the meta in competitive, cause she wasn`t picked in there. But still she was picked heavily in ranked, which is quite a thing.

But i don`t agree that no one complain about her. There was plenty of complains about her from their mains, and they wanted her buffed and to change, because the so call Giby took her role.

I was giving a example, and genre doesn`t matter, because you can simply buff stuffs in other games i mention. The topic is exactly the same, achieving good/perfect balance with buffs only. Ain`t happening at any game, any genre. You end up in a mess.

Again we have completely different view on balancing and as i said lets agree to disagree. Don`t see more reason to even talk about this topic.

Tho about some of the stuffs you were talking, aka Lifeline rework and you probably have Wraith tactical rework in mind as well i agree with you to a certain degree.

But again just like with the zipline nerf i don`t like it, but i kinda understand from where they are going from and why they are doing it.

@LordloshBang I feel you're just being argumentative with the buff but i'll skip it. My suggestion that if her ult took effect in say 50% less time it would be much more useful in A2/AD both slowing and dealing damage as it can be avoided a bit to easily atm which is its primary weakness (not the damage after the buff) because getting caught in the middle will hurt especially if you're in an engagement.

The complaints were of other legends taking the limelight from her and being as, if not more, effective in an area she predominantly should be as a medic. No complaints specifically on the fast heal that was changed. There were on the combat drone being stationary and her more often than not useless ult that are both basically the same...but go figure. xD

Let me be clear, both Wraith and Path needed a nerf just as others need a buff and it should be done both ways but still in keeping with what players originally enjoyed with their legend and invested in. It doesn't concern me directly but imagine playing for 6 months and used to avoiding getting stuck with arc stars and phasing out playing hyper agro as wraith, so you spend however much to get the heirloom to now not do the one thing you enjoyed.  Bit of a kick in the teeth to turn an originally instant q into a small delay and now into a large one with a totally different reason for using that ability and changing your playstyle or legend because of pickrate. 

I personally was a Path main and agreed he needed a larger cd on his q but the delay when it attaches wasn't needed. It feels less responsive and isn't as enjoyable. As for the zipline you can still get to the area before the new nerf takes effect so it isn't as bad as i thought it would be while still addressing the tournament issues, which is fine.

Anyways, i'll leave it here. Thanks for contributing to the discussion. 👍

For Bangalore i always said she is okay the way she is. But with the new stuffs going on, aka Octane buff, Mirage huge rework and buff, Revenant huge and constantly buff(this is actually a legend that got buffed in consecutive season/patches) she will fall too far away from that sweet spot that she was.

I always said she was balanced and in that sweet spot, and Respawn should have actually worked towards her. They should have bring everyone to her level(tiers always going to exist but close to her whether its up or down) and this was actually the best way to achieve balance.

The problem now is that a lot of legends surpass her greatly.

I have never ever have problem with a strong character, if he is fair(which in my eyes mean that she may be the best, but to not have OP/Broken abilities and to actually have a way to counter her).

I don`t know how much you are reading here on in reddit, but there is constant complain for every legend, even if they are perfectly fine. There was like thousand threads for buffing Wraith phase, because it was too slow and etc. A lot of threads about Lifeline.

They actually make Revenant probably S tier(not play him, but he is incredible strong now) and with a completely broken ability(aka his no range Ultimate), and still there was plenty of threads that this buffs are not enough for him and he needs better passive, how his tactical and ultimate is useless and so on.

I actually think Respawn is getting too much of a bad feedback and are making mistake of it, and thats why they are doing whole reworks and over the top buffs.

As far as spending on skins, heirlooms and so on and getting use to certain legend/ability, this is a game with seasons and you should expect constant changes, so you should expect such things. Tho i get the drastic stuff changes and i understand it. But its all on you to decide on that. The game is free to play and everyone knows that balance patches are coming and you should expect everything from it. :D Tho i understand your point of view as wel.

Anyway i like when the discussion is civil and you can learn something from it. It was a nice to chat with you, but i spend too much time on it. ^^
All the best.

@LordloshBangEh, I wouldn’t say the no range is op.
The timer still limits things significantly, and if you don’t die then you’ll get caught turning into a normal person and lasered. It’s a balance between playing semi-conservatively and suicidal.

I would say that buffing weaker legends is a good idea. If they do it carelessly, it can lead to OP abilities, but that doesn’t seem like it’ll happen.

Edit: But did you guys really have to make each response like 3 paragraphs long? Yeesh.