The bow is a rifle which makes no sound
Basically the Bow makes no noise, so the hit is much harder to spot where it is being shot from. EDIT: It also has no reload. EDIT 2: also, it seems to be hit-scan when fully charged so no arrow dr...
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@matzesingtAll of what you said in honors Captain America, I salute to your military greatness, but that still doesn't change the fact that a Bow is deadly, and that this is still a Sci-Fi game. You could technically make it laser powered and all of what you said would be diminished in an instant. The arrow flight speed and the arrow drop is far from being accurate. And I remember my original post being about the criticism that a Bow is silent. And as far as I remember, my statement about a bow being silent should be pretty accurate 😉
But I am open enough to accept that firearms do have several advantages over a traditional Bow or Crossbow. After all the reason why Crossbows and normal Bows aren't used by modern day people is due to the lack of versatility and usability in actual face-to-face combat, since a firearm can just fire again (given it's semi-auto or full-auto) while a Bow needs to be manually pulled, aimed and released. A normal firearm would certainly be better to use in combat if you had the choice between that and a Bow. Which still doesn't change that a Bow deals a very big amount of damage which should not be underestimated.
For EA/Respawn this Bow is a gold mine. Its great for content creators, its also great for the casuals. The Bow takes skill to be used? Don`t kidding me. It doesn`t.
The hardest part in Aiming is the tracking, and to be able to able to keep up on target, as well as go in 1 on 1 duel, and to be able to strafe better and to aim better.
The hardest gun in terms to masters in Apex has always been the Wingman and the R99. And yeah i know there is many people that are claiming they one mag people with R99, but in reality can`t do 50 damage on a moving target.
As far as the bow, the arrow thickness is huge, its easy to hit your shots, and which is kinda strange, its super easy to hit head shots. The damage on this Bow is ridiculous, but Ea/Respawn has always been terrible at balancing.
From the beginning till now, only the last season we can said that the weapons were balanced properly with some being a bit stronger and so, but there wasn`t any totally OP/Broken weapons.
Before that it took them ages to fix the Wingman at first, then the R99, then it was the PK(it was absolutely always been OP), they needed to fix R301 at some point(it was early in the game existent), then it was Mastiff legend that was absolutely insane for a half year.
Now Bow will be absolutely insanely broken for probably even longer.
The way the game is designed, such weapon was the last thing that the game was needed. The weapons were fine, but all they care is $$$$$$ and $$$$$$$ again.
Why the Bow is great cash for them, eh everyone wants to be Rambo, everyone wants to think he is a god aimer, even tho he is terrible, and the Bow is super noob friendly, and super strong, and average people will feel super strong with it, just like its in Warzone. And this mean a lot of $$$$$ for them, cause so many people will skins, skins, skins, BP and so on.
Its same with certain legends. They introduce Horizon beyond broken, so a lot of people to play her, and to get skins for her.
Now its the same with Valkyrie. I don`t think they will ever introduce a weak legend or weapon at least in the beginning, cause they are losing $$$$ that way.
They want to stock up as much people as they could, to squeeze as much as they can.
70 body damage, and 120+ headshot damage on super easy to land, without reload weapon, and especially if you are in a safe distance, where you can spam, spam, spam and think you are a god aimer. And you could think that they at least make the hipfire hard, think again, its super easy, and its super easy to hit headshots, and you are on a full speed in there .....
Some people will think, okay where then Snipers, and or lets said click timing weapons are skill based, its easy, lets said like in CS:GO with the AWP, where if you miss a shot, you are pretty much ending dead. Desert Eagle and Wingman is a good comparison as well.
And the balancing "god" team that obviously are terrible at anything, they even nerf the AR headshot damage, and buff the "Marksman" ADS speed.
All they are doing is lowering the skill ceiling and the gap between levels. They tried this with straight up lowering the HP/Armor, and making some Energy Weapons Broken, but they got a huge backlash, so they just decide to make some weapons do insane amount of damage, and here it goes the TTK drop significantly.
The greatest part of Apex Legends was dueling, go 1on1 and the better aimer/dodger wins.
Now with the 394847349384883484 dota abilities in the game, its absolutely garbage.
There is absolutely no need for new legends/weapons every new seasons, but this mean $$$$, so of course they are going to focus on this. Why focus on the actual game issues, why focus on garbage server, why focus on cheaters that are probably half of the player base, no its just better to create new legend/weapon and get as much $$$$ as possible, and here and there copy/paste some ridiculous stupid and unwanted game mode like the Arena, that is even slower than the actual BR gameplay, yeah great idea ....
OP, bro did you even expect something else, where they introduce legends like Horizon who gat zero sound and can Q behind you silently, and the game Audio was/is still broken for like 2 years already, and you want the Bow to have audio/sound, really? :D As far as balance goes i think i already said it, you can`t expect a balanced stuff, from a team that for a 2 year of a game existent, the weapons were balanced for like 1-2 months combined, and the rest of the time there was always some totally broken weapon in game. And i`m not even going to open the thread about Legends balancing, cause this is the biggest joke in the history.
P.P. Are this guy for real, that are trying to somehow say that a BOW is somehow more deadly, than AR in reality? 😃
- @LordloshBang Yes. I am serious. But I am going to drop out of this conversation now. I'm going to entertain myself by playing the game rather than writing walls about it.
@Peri_Longbow_plz Good luck playing the game when the servers run like crap lol.
@Peri_Longbow_plz wrote:
@LordloshBangYes. I am serious. But I am going to drop out of this conversation now. I'm going to entertain myself by playing the game rather than writing walls about it.Yeah sure buddy. Only in Apex world an Assault Rifle can do 25 damage to the head, and 14 to the body, yet a .... Bow to do 70/120+.
Yeah sure. :D
@Peri_Longbow_plzYeah I think a break is in order. It looks like you've wore yourself out being a champion for the Bocek....which doesn't really belong in the game.
And yes it is harder to locate the point of attack from a long range bow attack in game. You can't argue the fact that a near silent weapon is more stealthy than a gun....but you tried!@Pure_Funk_Nugget You're completely right, and thats the whole point.
The bow needs some tweaks but it's a better alternative to having suppressors for all weapons in game.
- @MandatoryIDtag Why do we need either?
I btw watched Lulu yesterday, she (and her teammates) did not exactly have a positive attitude towards the bow. According to her the playtesters had told Respawn it was op and needed nerfing, so she was quite surprised they had just ignored it. Watching her games did not exactly make me wanna go play Apex until it has been nerfed.
We don't, but then why do we need abilities either? It's simply a feature that's been added.
Vast numbers of people have complained about weapon volume and how they're always being third partied because of it, the bowcek is basically the response to that.
It's quiet audio isn't the issue with the weapon, it's the fact that it's basically hitscan.....which is my only real criticism of the weapon as its ridiculous for a bow to have such arrow velocity.
It should simply be a risk/reward weapon.
The Bow will make third party worst. If you think they introduce it because of a third party factor, come on .... lets be real.
What is the chance all 6 people are using exclusively the Bow, so there is no shots fired, and no one heard you ? Exactly zero.
And if you have a decent game sense and positioning knowledge third party should not be a thing.
And the complaining about new weapons was long ago, from that point on we have few new addition, and from that point i didn`t even remember much thread about new weapon.
The weapon pool was fine as it is.
I really don`t see the Bow being balanced at all.
70/120+ damage is ridiculous, but its quite obvious they are trying to lower the TTK of the game, this time with strong damage weapons.
But Bow is super easy to use, super easy to land headshots, and its super easy and powerful on close range, which is ridiculous. Its also a super speedy, and have no reload, and pretty much no drawbacks.
Its insane.
The damage should not be higher than 50/90(or 100 at best). But still it should not be that easy to use/land your shots.
But mark my words this weapon won`t be balanced properly soon. Its either going to be a hit or miss.
Respawn balance is terrible, and always have been.
They need years to make one thing right, and just a day to totally destroy everything they have done previously. :D
@LordloshBang Like I've said elsewhere bud the bow needs some tweaks that's a given....there is no real solid argument against that. I still maintain that the fact it's quiet really isn't an issue in the grand scheme of things though.
@MandatoryIDtag I think the sound is such a big issue right now simply because of how much damage it does, this is something that would be fixed with the damage being lowered though. I do think a really cool way to fix the 3rd party issue of this weapon for it being silent is to make it so the bullet (arrow) travel is a lot slower and for the arrows to sing while they're traveling so you can hear where the arrow is coming from rather than where the arrow is hitting. It would sound pretty cool too. Right now though it sounds like the arrows are being shot on you at all times (even if they're being shot at someone pretty far away from you) so maybe its an audio bug like Valks tactical but either way the audio needs reworking, it would be less of an issue once this weapon doesnt do kraber DPS anymore.
@MandatoryIDtag wrote:@LordloshBang Like I've said elsewhere bud the bow needs some tweaks that's a given....there is no real solid argument against that. I still maintain that the fact it's quiet really isn't an issue in the grand scheme of things though.
While may look fun, and be fun when using it, silent weapons are not a good thing at all in BR. We are talking about a huge Open World Map with 60 players on it, where you can get shot from every single angle on the map. This ain`t a CS:GO - small linear map with fixed objects, and to pre-aim/peek every angle, and the moment you get hit to know from where exactly you are getting shot, and to expect/know every position of a enemy player without even seen it.
And still even the weapons with silencer at CS:GO can be heard perfectly.
And mark my words, this weapon are not going to be balanced properly. They either its going to kill it, or it will stay broken.
They needed like 6 months to toon down Mastiff legend, and they have done it by the worst possible way, and not balance it properly and what was the problem, aka the huge spread/radius of its shots and the range of it.
They are balancing team are terrible.
PK atm is also not balanced properly.
But they want this weapons to be powerful, so they can sell their pricey skins.
The last thing the game needed was this.
The game is like 2 years old, for that time, the only real balanced weapon pool was in Season 8.
And btw some people were saying about the skill and that you need a great aim to be good with this weapon, which is entirely untrue.
You need average aim, or to be on controller and the aim assist will do the work for you ....
@Oyasumlpunpun wrote:@MandatoryIDtag I think the sound is such a big issue right now simply because of how much damage it does, this is something that would be fixed with the damage being lowered though. I do think a really cool way to fix the 3rd party issue of this weapon for it being silent is to make it so the bullet (arrow) travel is a lot slower and for the arrows to sing while they're traveling so you can hear where the arrow is coming from rather than where the arrow is hitting. It would sound pretty cool too. Right now though it sounds like the arrows are being shot on you at all times (even if they're being shot at someone pretty far away from you) so maybe its an audio bug like Valks tactical but either way the audio needs reworking, it would be less of an issue once this weapon doesnt do kraber DPS anymore.
I can hear where it's coming from in game. You guys just must be having audio issues which I could see since this game does have those.
@hayhorgimmick how? So I take it you don't like it?
@Lord_Scorpion34It is a gimmick in games like this and Warzone. For some reason people like to think because they arent using a gun to kill they are more skilled. Like me with grenades! 😉
Usually tho it isnt a silent fast firing charge rifle like Apex has made it. Warzone they at least made the arrow drop, speed and range realistic. And I'm not a warzone fan so to say they do bows better hurts.I've barely used it but watching videos it clearly is way too strong.
Imperial thoughts on the Bow:
From 0:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCll1A24OKo
What to say .... Respawn ....It was obvious. But the $$$$$ is coming big time.
I'm sorry I nearly do not care at all what pro's say.
Look, if you're so good at aiming that you might as well be using an aimbot, then yeah, certain weapons are OP.
But nobody here should be lying to themselves or to anyone else thinking they land shots like a pro, because they don't.
Listening to pros is what has Wattson be 'OP'. Meanwhile she's one of the least chosen characters in the game. Meanwhile Octane isn't overpowered at all but chosen all the time by players, often because they want to just ignore the team and do what they want.
Weapons, and characters, are made for the game public and the pros will play whatever game exists...you know...because they make money doing it. If they think the bow is OP it could be, but I'm not going to take my queues from people who find a way to land 2 arrows with every single shot both into your eyes. Because they're not in my games nor will they ever be. 🙂
You know what? I stand corrected.. MAKE EVERY GUN THE ALTERNATOR AND ALSO NERF IT. Then everyone can feel better about life. Even though they'll surely start complaining their alternator isn't as powerful as the enemy's and hacks and etc. etc. etc.
@KelRiever The bow is pretty much a hitscan weapon, if you're missing with it then you're hot garbage at the game, especially on console with the auto aim that comes from controller play. The weapon has DPS potential HIGHER than the kraber. Your opinion doesnt matter at that point, the weapon is busted.
- @Oyasumlpunpun You were on a good point until you said controllers have auto aim. 🤣
I uh, heh...right. Hitscan and auto aim, I kind of have to dismiss this retort.
If you can hit things in the game automatically all the time, you'll win with a P2020
- @KelRiever He is right actually. Bow is super easy to use. Its like 100x time easier than the Wingman. And it super accurate on hipfire/close range, as well as super easy to land headshots.
I don`t need a Pro to tell me which weapon is good/bad/OP/Broken.
I just give his comment, because its suit my point of view, and he is 100% spot on here.
i get why some people are always going to defend the Bow, and why you are doing it. You were happy with the ridiculous TTK changes in Season 6(or so), and you want damage to kill a lot faster if i remember correctly. Of course you are going to happy with it.
But you can`t start lowering the TTK, after 2 years of a game existent. If you want your game to have lower TTK, you do that at beginning. If you want your weapons to be super easy to use and do high damage, you do this at the beginning, otherwise you will make people angry, and most of them will go move on. @hayhor They do have auto aim, its not even up for debate, you can name it what you want, aim assist, aim adjustment or w/e. If it moves your camera 90 degrees without touching your stick (which it does) then its automatically aiming. Controller users can cry all they want but they need auto aim to play the game, its just like how controller users cry about not being able to use movement tech when they can, its a joke.
@KelRiever dismiss my "retort" all you want, i stated the facts of the matter and if you want to remain ignorant on the manner than thats on you, the bow is busted and literally anyone can pick it up and instantly kill someone with it with no issues unless they're a literal bot that cant even get a single hit with an automatic weapon against someone who's in their face. Its probably the most accurate weapon hipfire right now, it has the highest DPS, even over the kraber and it has the fastest bullet (arrow) travel. But yeah, proceed to dismiss these things.
- @Oyasumlpunpun Aim assist doesnt move your crosshair at all. Give me a break 🤣 Biggest myth out there is this whole it snaps to stuff.
As you move through a target it slows the crosshair movement. @Oyasumlpunpun Sorry, opinions are not facts of the matter.
Here, I'll prove you wrong: You said 'anyone' can pick up the bow and instantly kill someone with it.
So, you can't, if you pick up the bow and never fire it. Or purposely miss every shot.
It's hyperbole but the point is calm the F down, I get your point, I happen to disagree with it. Your point is not facts and neither you or I are ignorant.
My advice, seriously, is if you think it's broke so much then use it. Use it and kill people with it until it is changed. That would certainly make you the better player both in aim, and then being smart enough to use the broke thing until it is changed. I'm just going to dismiss the point not because it's personal to you, it's not you shouldn't take it that way. But dismiss it on my point of view that if you can aim it, and kill people with it, and it's broke, you really should be using it right now since there's very little control anyone here has as to what is in the game. Hopefully, then if I were you, it would be changed. Until then, plink away and listen to your enemies scream about how it was the bow which killed them and not you.
I'm pretty sure as you shoot them through the face with the bow though, you won't be giving the bow all the credit for your kill 🙂
@hayhor Have you ever tested it yourself or are you talking with a lack of knowledge? i've seen it first hand, i've done full on testing with it. The crosshair will follow people without you touching the stick at all, so much so that it moves your camera 90 degrees. This can easily be seen if you hotdrop next to people and the camera chooses to follow those people. It happens on xbox too so no, this cant be blamed on "modders" since those dont exist there. Keep lying yourself about it not existing though.
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