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MikwinN11's avatar
MikwinN11
6 years ago

The problem with apex.

Hi all im new to apex, I have been playing for roughly a month now and I love this game. However I cant help but notice mainly three big problems with this game.

Im going to start with kings canyon. This map is great but the way it plays is horrible, reason for this is the loot is terrible. So many times I have hot dropped and found no gun or at best a pistol out of 2 buildings. This is no good on such a small map when 2 to 3 squads land in a very small compound. By small im talking containment ,skull town, every compound on the map don't have enough loot to kit a squad never mind 2 or 3.

Next is armour and this applies to both maps, landing on a level 1 armour to get killed by someone who happened to land on a level 3 or gold shield is most annoying and to often can you go through looting massive compounds to only end up with level 2 armour going into end game unless you kill a squad that found purple or better. Its so simple to fix this get rid of all the shields and keep evo armour that way no one has advantage at a drop by getting lucky and if you don't have level 3 armour plus going into end game that's your owns fault for playing passive.

Back to kings canyon. This map is a nightmare after the first phase because everyone gets pushed into a tiny space way to soon. Fairly often I get into top 5 squads and there is 15 players jammed into a tiny zone with no cover, these make for epic battles but the 3rd party plays leading into the end game is what is annoying. Again simple to fix extend the zones so we have more play area or make the zones take longer to come in so that less players get in to mid game and cause all that shooting in the back when your healing up after wiping a squad.

As for the new map that plays alot better but is kind of boring at times mid game make the zone smaller or come in faster. Or adjust how many players need to be alive for the zone to shrink to a certain size. I think a lot of players like that constant fighting and in the action all the time but also don't want to much 3rd partying going on.

Finally I don't understand why battle royales haven't done this yet but there is way to many attachments to be looting, players don't jump on your game to be looting, we like the rush of being the last survivor in a game that's about survival. Respawn modes are about racking up big kill games, battle royales are about racking up big kill games with the fear of getting kicked back to lobby if you die. So I would really like to see no weapon attachments except maybe sights.

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  • Vladplaya's avatar
    Vladplaya
    6 years ago

    After reading all of your feedback, I can't help but feel you are just playing wrong genera of the game. If you don't want to deal with looking for guns, having different armors, having too many attachments and been bored on large map, you might as well just play any other shooter game other than Battle Royal?

    Like in BR nobody guarantees that everyone at a any location will find a gun and shield. That's basically what BR is. You either hot drop with three to four squads in one spot knowing that the odds are not in your favor, and then work with whatever you got, OR you drop somewhere far away from all the action and take your time to find best loot so you show up with the best stuff for the last couple circles. Maybe do something in-between those two, and pick your battles.

    Just keep in mind that winning is the goal, and not the gunfights (even though those are very fun to have). Sometimes you land, don't find any lot at all, your teammates get killed, and you have to sneak around to get their banners, then survive to revive them, then survive after that to find enough loot to win the game. Those games are struggle, and have very little action and fighting, but I had games like that where we won at the end.

    So your issues seem too be coming from the wrong mindset toward BR genera?

  • MikwinN11's avatar
    MikwinN11
    6 years ago

    I came from pubg so im fairly sure brs are my type of game, i understand each player has his own playstyle. Some like to keep to the edge and loot all the way into endgame which will result in blue shields against kitted out players most of the time, you've got your campers and then you got your aggressive players. I like heated battles but i like fair fights and the difference between a level 1 armor and purple/gold is huge.

    Take for example i pick up a r99 and a level 1 vest from first drop and some other guy picks up a purple shield well that's a fight your not going to win very often vs an equally skilled opponent, which is really stupid in a ranked match. If they have a ranked system it should be balanced and they already have the perfect balancing armour in the game the evo shield.

    Yeah its cool when all the odds are against you and you win but wouldn't it be even more fun to win more fights because now its an equal fight not rng based. 

  • RevenanT-G7's avatar
    RevenanT-G7
    6 years ago

    Kc has always had a looting problem since pre-season 1. you can run through 5 buildings sometimes and find absolutely nothing but shield cells, med kits and Ultimate Accelerants or nothing but p2020 and Mozambique.

    KC and apex legends [in general] is all about positioning and eliminating your enemy as quick as possible before the vultures come running. Extending the zones wouldn't do much of anything but drag out the game and make it longer that what it has to be. Let alone there is so many places to hide on KC.

    "So I would really like to see no weapon attachments except maybe sights." that is not what the machanics of a br game is though it's to find the weapons kill people in your way and along the way find those attachments you need. To get you toward Victory.

    "The difference between a level 1 armor and purple/gold is huge."  It's a challenge we all have to face at one point or another and we all have to play better if we ant to survive. The game isn't forgiving and it isnt going to be holding anyones hand, you just have to play better and smarter use what you can when you can. 

    The game takes time to learn, is what makes Apex legends fun. 

    I think @Vladplaya  is right , Your coming from the wrong mindset toward a BR genre. 

  • chrisragnar's avatar
    chrisragnar
    6 years ago

    @MikwinN11actually i just realise that high tier armor should be made avalible gradually tru the game. Going more towards skill instead of luck at the start of the game. But the fact that people dont want skill based match making tells me people want an unbalanced game of luck were they can just keep playing untill the situation goes their way instead of improving.

  • MandatoryIDtag's avatar
    MandatoryIDtag
    6 years ago

    @chrisragnar  I always wondered if scrapping all tiered armour and replacing them with evo shields might be a more fair option. Problem is with Respawn trying to ram a camping play style down our throats it would never get considered as an idea as it negates the whole concept of hide  and wait.

  • MikwinN11's avatar
    MikwinN11
    6 years ago

    KC and apex legends [in general] is all about positioning and eliminating your enemy as quick as possible before the vultures come running. 

    True i just feel like the developers could do something to reduce the 3rd partying with zones. I understand that may drag the game out by a min or 2 but was just an example im sure they could produce a much better idea. One could argue 3rd partys are so likely due to gun fights lasting so long, i like that but theres plenty of little tweaks that could be put in place to stop this stabbing in the back playstyle, on that map in particular. Worlds edge is works really well even when a 3rd party shows up.

    that is not what the machanics of a br game is though it's to find the weapons kill people in your way and along the way find those attachments you need. To get you toward Victory.

    Again its something that i dnt hate but i think if there was less looting, there would be more shooting early game leading to less players entering mid game where its way to crowded and leading to 3rd parties.

    It's a challenge we all have to face at one point or another and we all have to play better if we ant to survive. The game isn't forgiving and it isnt going to be holding anyones hand, you just have to play better and smarter use what you can when you can.

    The game takes time to learn, is what makes Apex legends fun. 

    Can't disagree with that, each to there own. But just to be clear im not looking for an easy game, i like competivive and difficult games but unfortunately good shooters of the last decade have been few and far between and brs are the first time i got back into shooters, such a shame developers think rng has a place in ranked gameplay. They need to take note from halo 3 ranked system and balance from back in the day and add it to the br.

    I look on apex forums and pubg and i see the same comments all the time, its normally along the lines of wanting a balanced cheater free skill based matchmaking system od equal skill ( like how halo 3 was at level 50). 

  • Koochi-Q's avatar
    Koochi-Q
    6 years ago
    Okay I’ll chip in. This is partly at you but mostly my general thoughts and opinion on all things said @MikwinN11.

    So... if in the beginning or only Evo shields are in the game, yes, ‘everyone’ would have a fair game. But for the fairness, everyone should have it from flying in and not by finding it on the ground cause you’d still have to search for it and that’ll alone turn your whole comment mute about fairness cause you’d be armorless and fighting someone with 25hp more.
    What this in turn will bring is that you still have to find your weapon which is still random. If one person has a good weapon and someone else no weapon or not a good weapon and they’re equally skilled, that’ll still leave a bad taste in the mouth, so still that’s not what you ‘want’ cause everyone should have a fair shot. With that in mind, everyone should start with the same weapon from dropship with 1/2 clips. P2020 would be best. This is the direction Warzone went in. I already don’t call this a BR setting because it’s not random at all, but that’s subjective.
    Okay so you drop in... guess what, some players will be better with the p2020 than others or find a weapon sooner than others and while some are still searching for second weapon other players will have found that new weapon and are already blue or purple armored. So this still makes it an unfair fight for them. Why? Because they drew the short end either by not dropping with others or by just not being good enough. That’s BR in my book. The randomness of the amalgamation of it all leading up to a certain point. Else it’s just a shooter with fixed loadout and just the randomness of the situation.

    Third partying is with every competitive game. It just gets the focus in BRs because you only have 1 life. Try and think how many times you’ve had an actual 1v1 in CoD, Battlefield, Halo or another game in team deathmatch, deathmatch or free for all. As soon as an enemy spots you, he’ll likely shoot at you just because he can and to eliminate another threat. Same can be said for Apex and third partying. It doesn’t matter how long a battle takes. Third partying ‘will’ happen. The wise third party-er will wait till the battle is over to start engaging instead of going at it while the battle’s still raging on. I can’t think of any way to deter it, cause just like hackers, people will find new ways to counter restrictions. Unless respawn will make every battle in an enclosed space where no other party can penetrate and they have to ‘wait their turn’ to fight until the battling team gives the ‘go ahead’ to get away from that enclosed space. That sounds both fun and boring cause it sounds more like waves/horde mode than a BR battleground.

    No attachments can be done. Look at Fortnite, but it’s boring. Just take Revenant’s quote: “gonna look over there. New weapons, new ways to kill.” This is literally fortnite. They have to keep bringing new games into the game and vaulting them cause the same weapons over & over is just tiresome. The attachment approach is in my book better because it changes the way you have to play based on the situation. See the person you just shot with the havoc running with no shield? No problem, selectfire that bum and make it hot! Couldn’t do that without attachment and you’d either have to waste alot of bullets while maintaining good aim to down him or switch over to another weapon which cost more time.
    I do agree with the point that the attachment approach cost more time searching to a degree. That degree is for the cautious/relatively new/lower to mid tier skilled ppl. Those kinds of ppl want the best loadout they can get before engaging and that’s okay. I have no idea if you’ve been with a high skilled/very agressive,or a combi of those 2, team yet. But on drop, they loot for like 15-60 seconds and start running towards gunfire or are already in it and are shooting with bare weapons or just lvl 1 armor and load up while they clean up if everything goes their way. It may not always work, but those are the high kill ppl with alot of wins.

    So OP I do get what you’re saying and who knows maybe a new BR is being build exactly how you want, but luckily Apex is the way Apex is and doesn’t change.
  • MikwinN11's avatar
    MikwinN11
    6 years ago
    @Koochi-Q
    You make a lot of good points there I wouldn't say balance the game to the point where it fully changed the mechanics of the game but I do like the idea of evo shields only.

    No attachments is just a thought, I don't even look for them I get a shield and a gun some meds and im good to go.

    But id be down for that spawning with an evo shield and p20, or if for say the first 30 - 45s upon landing only level 1 armour drops.
  • Koochi-Q's avatar
    Koochi-Q
    6 years ago
    @MikwinN11 <—- I like this person, (s)he says I make good points. Take note of that @MandatoryIDtag! this is how you get on someone’s good side :P

    Yea, alot of devs try changing the whole of their mechanics in a game to the point it’s not a specific game anymore and less ppl play it. The devs seem to know what they want even if not everyone... or most approve xD. So credit to them for that, but they’re slowly opening up.

    There will likely be an evo only event... probs with some changes, cause if it’s evo only, ppl will see how thats gonna be a bad move. Yea, the attachment point was based of off your interaction with someone. Maybe an evo + no attachment mode or something would be cool.

    Lolz if evo shields were on drop, I dont think anyone will pick up a lvl 1 shield as they would be less usefull overal unless you get shot and evo is broken and are just running past a normal shield.

    But good to see some thought written down instead of just the usual ‘fix this’ without actual input on how to do it. I like engaging in such threads ;D

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