Things Respawn did not address (as always)

I don’t want a Mastiff nerf so much as I want other guns to stop being super soakers.

@KelRiever That would mean to make other weapons op as well lol. Mastiff isn't a problem if the guy using it can't aim but if he can you don't stand a chance in cqc.

@Cro_PitttMastif doesn't need a nerf, the whole shotgun category needs a complete rework. Sometimes you hit 100-130 dmg with 1 shot mastif while other times you hit 13 13 13 13 and 15 headshots. The whole shotgun category is broken. They have to make it consistent. Mastif is op in cqc, but it is a shotgun, that is its purpose, the main problem with it is that it isn't consistent.

don't forget that rampart is still fodder, especially with fuse being able to delete her with just a push of a button 

@Cro_Pittt People don't like when i say this but I want, yeah, all weapons to do for some real damage.

Nothing bores me more than when I see a person with an Alternator spraying a thousand bullets into a white shield and then getting killed.  I mean, who does that kind of thing for a game?  If it shot BB's it would do more damage.  These games are getting ridiculous.

I hate to say but I also do not complain about a Mastiff...or a peacekeeper.  If you get shot at close range and die, that's your own fault.

However, what is at issue is the core problem with modern shooters...that the only range that tends to matter is close range.  Or at least there is a biase towards it.  So much no aim, and so much charge and bounce like an idiot spamming jump.  That is what, apparently, kids find exciting.  Me, I'd rather see someone kill someone at range.  The only reason the Mastiff, or shotguns are so deadly, is because you can dance through a field singing and pretty much not worry about damage until you are within 3 meters.

Make guns kill again in video games.  That's supposed to be why use them...right?  Effing kitchen plates would be better weapons than most Apex weapons.

You aren't wrong @hayhor but this is one of those things, I have to say, I think game companies are going to have to start dealing with and not necessarily going by majority opinion.

For decades now, the meter is being pushed by players who want guns to do less and less damage, because they think more and more it's the fault of the weapons and not their own skill.  To the point, by the way, that players start arguing that guns that do less damage require more skill to use.

Which is absurd and absolutely crack up level funny.

Skill...is playing the game that you are playing well.  It has nothing to do with guns doing more or less damage.  It is not aiming, it is not whatever it is this insane argument has reduced it to.  Skill is doing whatever it is that a game is meant to do well, and that's how you win.

But back to guns.  If you died because you got shot by 1 bullet or a thousand, you died.  The only difference is a thousand bullets to kill someone is just at a level of dumb which, at that point, you might as well make a weapon that is a water pistol, just so you can keep your immersion accurate.  And let's not pretend immersion doesn't matter in a video game, because otherwise there'd be no themes to design (see Fortnite for complete stupid and lack of themes, where banana dude can fight cat head dude with a plunger firing grapple gun).  

We're pretty much almost there with Apex.  This is a bit beyond the Mastiff too OP conversation.  The Mastiff may be too OP, the Mastiff may not be.  But overall, what are guns even in Apex?  What are they even in Halo?  What are they, gasp, in Call of Duty, where you look like a soldier, but you regenerate bullet wounds and might as well have a space armor shield for your resilience?

Not that I want a real life simulator, but gun games are so off, that I am no longer surprised the US military has to actually untrain people out of video game mentality when they join the service.  It'd be like pilots having to be trained out of flying like Star Wars or drivers having to be trained out of driving like GTA (neither of which is necessary, so that tells you how bad it is with shooters).

Blah blah blah you have CLEARLY hit a personal nerve hayhor.  THANKS FOR TRIGGERING ME! :D