This matchmaking and ranked system is atrocious. I've been a casual player on and off since this game came out and there is no reason I should consistently face players at the top tier skill levels in ranked. These players aren't even smurfing. They have masters badges in gold lobbies. Once you reach a certain point you shouldn't be reset down. Your * stupid Respawn. People don't play it because you dictate the meta and the hardcore just feed on the average https://mobdro.bio/ . RIP.

@aaiuap1This happens in any competitive or "esport" type game. After a while, only the better players tend to stick around playing every day. So while they get better, they leave less room for casuals. On top of that, there's the cheaters of course.We need games to start being designed in ways that are less about being competitive, and more about getting a team together to go do a quest, explore, extract, or whatever. Apex has the potential to do this, and hopefully they are working on something like that.I see people complain about PvP maybe being introduced into co-op games being developed, and I think the fear stems from other games being too punishing for dying. It shouldn't be a big deal to die in shooters, if it is, then your game isn't designed well IMO. This is how Apex won me over, even though it was a BR, and at the time, I hated them. This last season they leaned into that even further, and I love it.I don't think your solution of not resting ranks would work. What if you take a break and come back? Or, let's say you had it where if you left for a season then it would reset, but then people will just alternate accounts?As someone who exclusively plays PvP games, I completely understand your frustration. People have gotten increasingly competitive the last few years or so, and cheats have become more prevalent, and it's due to games being more competitive. Then there's actually money to be made as a streamer. Like I said earlier, part of the solution to all that is the fundamental design of the game. Make it so it's entertaining to go explore with your friends, get the group together, and not be so hyper focused on winning every round. Personally, I don't enjoy PvE games, so the extraction element that's being explored in shooters is really exciting. I think it's the next step in evolving shooters after BRs.I agree, it's dying a bit lately, but there's a lot of ways they can save it. Hopefully they listen to the games devs that actually play their own game rather than the suits in charge. That's been hurting these companies lately, they don't let the people with the actual imaginations cook.

You're right. This game should now be closed and work on a new project should begin.Respawn won't even say how they work with people who use Cronus Zen/Xim or various types of scripts. There are plenty of such people and nothing is done about it.Matchmaking never existed, but now that there are very few players on PC, it is even worse than a few years ago. This game is completely unplayable even for an average player, and in solo queue even for the better ones. Constantly changing characters and spitting on those with low picks. Ahhh... Respawn, it's time to leave the stage.

@RockDokRockThey literally never once did anything against Cronus, not for a single day cronus was not useable in apex...Not even a factory reset Cronus with 1.0 Firmware is banned...

OK; I'm all for criticism (god knows I have been brutal against match making) but you are totally entering conspiracy theory territory here and that helps nobody.They won't tell you how they are combating Cronus/Zen or whatever because it's a secret. They will get an advance, Cronus will find a way around it. It's a never ending battle. Why would they publish how/what they do? That makes zero sense and is insane.There *IS* match making in the game. It has its issues and the game can be unplayable at times (I just play something else then) but to say that is ridiculous. Any evidence/proof of that?It takes time to figure out the game if you are new. If so, it's going to be hard for you; there is no way to sugar coat that. Steep learning curve as it's a mature game with a pretty good player base. I'm average at best and will stop playing sometimes when the game becomes unplayable for me. There is nothing you can do about that.

@RockDokRock They won't say anything because they don't do anything. Man wake up! It's getting worse from season to season. It's not about the details, but they never said that they saw this problem and were working on it. NEVER!

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Blekerodo
New Veteran
3 months ago
You're right. This game should now be closed and work on a new project should begin.
Respawn won't even say how they work with people who use Cronus Zen/Xim or various types of scripts. There are plenty of such people and nothing is done about it.
Matchmaking never existed, but now that there are very few players on PC, it is even worse than a few years ago. This game is completely unplayable even for an average player, and in solo queue even for the better ones. Constantly changing characters and spitting on those with low picks. Ahhh... Respawn, it's time to leave the stage.
WhoopFighter
3 months ago
@aaiuap1This happens in any competitive or "esport" type game. After a while, only the better players tend to stick around playing every day. So while they get better, they leave less room for casuals. On top of that, there's the cheaters of course.

We need games to start being designed in ways that are less about being competitive, and more about getting a team together to go do a quest, explore, extract, or whatever. Apex has the potential to do this, and hopefully they are working on something like that.
I see people complain about PvP maybe being introduced into co-op games being developed, and I think the fear stems from other games being too punishing for dying. It shouldn't be a big deal to die in shooters, if it is, then your game isn't designed well IMO. This is how Apex won me over, even though it was a BR, and at the time, I hated them. This last season they leaned into that even further, and I love it.

I don't think your solution of not resting ranks would work. What if you take a break and come back? Or, let's say you had it where if you left for a season then it would reset, but then people will just alternate accounts?

As someone who exclusively plays PvP games, I completely understand your frustration. People have gotten increasingly competitive the last few years or so, and cheats have become more prevalent, and it's due to games being more competitive. Then there's actually money to be made as a streamer. Like I said earlier, part of the solution to all that is the fundamental design of the game. Make it so it's entertaining to go explore with your friends, get the group together, and not be so hyper focused on winning every round. Personally, I don't enjoy PvE games, so the extraction element that's being explored in shooters is really exciting. I think it's the next step in evolving shooters after BRs.

I agree, it's dying a bit lately, but there's a lot of ways they can save it. Hopefully they listen to the games devs that actually play their own game rather than the suits in charge. That's been hurting these companies lately, they don't let the people with the actual imaginations cook.
RockDokRock
Seasoned Ace
3 months ago
OK; I'm all for criticism (god knows I have been brutal against match making) but you are totally entering conspiracy theory territory here and that helps nobody.
They won't tell you how they are combating Cronus/Zen or whatever because it's a secret. They will get an advance, Cronus will find a way around it. It's a never ending battle. Why would they publish how/what they do? That makes zero sense and is insane.
There *IS* match making in the game. It has its issues and the game can be unplayable at times (I just play something else then) but to say that is ridiculous. Any evidence/proof of that?
It takes time to figure out the game if you are new. If so, it's going to be hard for you; there is no way to sugar coat that. Steep learning curve as it's a mature game with a pretty good player base. I'm average at best and will stop playing sometimes when the game becomes unplayable for me. There is nothing you can do about that.
AymCTL
Seasoned Ace
3 months ago
@RockDokRock They need to take legal action against Chronus the way Fortnite did. They are not only profiting from Apex without a license, but they are sabotaging the game where legit players will want to quit.

I too don't like to lean toward conspiracy theories, but I think there needs to be a criminal investigation into the cheating problem, especially on the pc version as prevalent as it is becoming. It wouldn't surprise me if it were not a competitor of respawn or disgruntled former employee that is sabotaging the game. This just seems too prevalent to me to be internet trolls or guys using a digital badge to show off to their girlfriend, etc. It seems more likely a coordinated effort, especially when you see how many names have number strings, and how many squads work together and stack. Now, I could be wrong, I don't want you to think I'm spreading false info because I don't know this for sure, but all the circumstances point to this. Especially since everything all went downhill at once starting in season 20.

With the surveys they send out I'm sure they are working on a fix, but for now matchmaking and cheating are the two main problems with the game. I'd include hit reg in with that list, but I think the cheats have a parasitic effect on the servers and the hit reg problem will go away once the cheating issue is dealt with, you could probably include sbmm in that too since it will also improved once the cheaters are gone.
Blekerodo
New Veteran
3 months ago
@RockDokRock They won't say anything because they don't do anything. Man wake up! It's getting worse from season to season. It's not about the details, but they never said that they saw this problem and were working on it. NEVER!
BallisticMVP
3 months ago
@RockDokRockThey literally never once did anything against Cronus, not for a single day cronus was not useable in apex...
Not even a factory reset Cronus with 1.0 Firmware is banned...
r1ggedgame
Seasoned Ace
3 months ago
@BallisticMVP Why should they ? Those devices got sold in the millions, prolly half of their Apex revenue comes from cronus and xim/strickpack users.
Most of those players dont even see it as cheating (just look at the comments under the typical cronus config advertising video), since nothing was being done against it for years.
Would not be a good look at the next shareholder meeting.
RockDokRock
Seasoned Ace
3 months ago
@AymCTL Criminal investigation? lol. Against who? To do what? I have no idea how that can possiby work and for any out of USA entities... what are you going to do about it? What jurisdiction do you seriously think they have?
HappyHourSumwur
Seasoned Ace
3 months ago
@aaiuap1 On topic . . . Agree that matchmaking is probably the main reason people are leaving Apex. Cheaters, smurfs, and server performance all play into that, too. It is no fun to get steamrolled and your bullets not seem to hit anything. Anybody who says they enjoy that is lying and that happens all the time to your average casual who isn't cheating.
AymCTL
Seasoned Ace
3 months ago
@RockDokRock I don't believe it is anyone outside of the USA doing this. If it is happening the way I believe it is, that someone is sabotaging the game through hacking in an effort to cost the game players, then it could definitely be someone here in the USA. I don't know who, and this is just a theory based on the way this is happening, but the ones with the motive or most to gain would be competitiors of respawn or a disgruntled former employee, both of which would more than likely be in the USA or have representatives doing business here, thus would fall under criminal jurisdiction here.

As for the devices, Fortnite was able to take legal action against them so apex could too.

As for the people caught coordinating attacks on the game, hacking is a federal crime, as is sabotaging a company's equipment.