When will ratting be penalized
I can not sat and when you get into a match and randoms avoid any fighting and hide for rp I really think this needs to be a reporting option
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It is not going to happen. The mere fact of the game allowing a solo drop is indicative of that.
Reporting ratting is a waste of everyone's time as it is not against the rules, and does not qualify within the game as sobotage.
Clearly how a player chooses to play the game is up to them.
Conversely should "incapable hot droppers" be a reportable offence and penalised?
Having played 1,000's of games, should the players with TTV or YT in their name, all looking for content above all else, also be reported and penalised as sabotage because of their agenda? Because imperialhal they are not and willing to take unnecessary risks for their content boost that usually fail they are, losing me hard won points along the way.
Edit: The only way around this, if you are frustrated with this type of play, is to find some like minded friends and play togeather as a team. Problem solved.
When you see a champion squad like this in Plat II, would you throw caution to the wind?
@OldTreeCreeper wrote:
Reporting ratting is a waste of everyone's time as it is not against the rules, and does not qualify within the game as sobotage.
Clearly how a player chooses to play the game is up to them.
Conversely should "incapable hot droppers" be a reportable offence and penalised?
Maybe some context here to avoid sounding like some big meanie. We ping and land on Eternal Gardens. Another team lands at a different part of the POI. After looting and a bunch of appropriate pinging, we end up engaged with the other team. Unfortunately, being apparently 2v3 against a three stack, we both go down. Cue our view of our third team mate - crouching on top of a box in a corner of a building several hundred meters away. This is what the guy did off drop, in gold. That is sabotage in my view. This person entered a ranked game with absolutely no intention to play with his team.
It's not about whatever ratting the guy did afterwards. That's not an issue. That's just what you do in ranked after your team is gone. I didn't see it because we left after our banners ran out. A handful of RP in gold is not worth 15 minutes of my time. In all of my games this has only happened maybe three times, tops.
I do think that you would be justified reporting your ranked team mates if their idea of a good drop is to land directly on top of multiple teams, contesting one loot spawn. I have not had the misfortune of this happening, presumably because I always duo queue in ranked and we have not had a random third be jump master and try pulling this particular stunt.
@pandareno1999
"crouching on top of a box in a corner of a building several hundred meters away. This is what the guy did off drop, in gold. That is sabotage in my view."
I have to weigh in here because this is me in about 95% of my matches, so I feel qualified to explain exactly what it is that was going through this guy's head.
One, I can guarantee you he wasn't your jm or he never would have landed that close to another squad.
Two, as soon as he hit the ground he got as far away from the other squad as he could. He didn't bother pinging where he was going because he KNEW you wouldn't go with him. He didn't bother hanging around because he KNOWS that early-game fights are 5% skill and 95% luck and didn't want to waste a potential win by relying on luck to get him through the first 60 seconds of the game. Especially when that demonstrates a willingness to allow teammates to continue the entire match in the same way. Start as you mean to continue.
Three, If you got into a gunfight without KNOWING that your third was ready and committed then that's on you, not on him.
So I would say that if you asked this guy who it was that "sabotaged" the match then you would get an answer that might surprise you.
IMO.- @Unheal1thyTAC04
So there is only ONE RIGHT WAY to play the game? Full-on, max aggression at all times, throw everything at the wall no matter how often none of it sticks? What's next? Reporting people for not dropping in the jm's dumpster fire drop zone? For abandoning a doomed bug hunt? For not picking up the right weapons? For not playing meta legends? Where does this all end? - @Unitee01
"Best player was still him, with or without the win. And it's not even an opinion, just truth."
Yup, it's the truth. If you're playing Call of Duty where most kills wins.
"Placement could be "cheesed" easily. High kills can not. It's that simple."
Yup, nobody ever "cheesed" kills by creating a secondary account to smurf their way to 20/4k. I've never seen anyone do that just so they could feel all manly destroying noobs and stream it for cash. - @reconzero
I'm not describing some crazy hot drop scenario here. Landing in a different part of a large POI with one other team, looting up, and fighting the other team is widely considered to be best practice in ranked Apex. This secures initial KP that grows in value through the end game as you then proceed to rotate carefully to and avoid risky fights. I think that we are coming from such fundamentally different points of view about how to play the game that I'm not going to try to argue with you, because I don't think we are going to arrive at a point of agreement. Respectfully, I think that we will just have to agree to disagree. Good luck out there! @pandareno1999 sabotage is what respawn says it is, and they do not say ratting is sabotage, and until they do, any ratting reporting is just a waste of everybodies time, including your own. Tbh it seems a bit petulant to me.
Also it's all well and good if you are part of a premade trio or duo, and you are well used to playing togeather in ranked, finding out how to work togeather best to do well, not everyone has that luxury.
@OldTreeCreeper
As I described, we pinged our intentions multiple times, while random third communicated nothing of their intention not to help, despite having ample time to do so.
You have a point! I have literally never once solo queued in ranked, for this reason. You're a lot braver than I am on that count! I don't have the stomach for it.My bud has solo queued to Masters multiple times, and our ranked win rate together this season is somewhere around 15%. So, I'm comfortable believing that our approach is not a bad one. I will respectfully bow out of this conversation now, as I'd prefer not going around and around the same argument. As for the report, I will concede your point and let it go there.
- @pandareno1999
"Landing in a different part of a large POI with one other team, looting up, and fighting the other team is widely considered to be best practice in ranked Apex."
I would have said that this is one particular practice that is favored by a majority of players, but is certainly not the only path forward in this game. I'm personally suspicious of the practice because I find that most players (that I see in the game) choose it as a method of preventing boredom without a thought to risk/benefit.
And I'm not trying to bring anyone around to my way of thinking so much as just trying to point out that in-game behaviors are not always what they seem. What may appear to be pointless and counter-productive can sometimes be very carefully considered and deliberate. Whether it can count as successful depends entirely on how you measure success. One of the things that I find frustrating about this game is that the ranking system encourages players to treat the game like an arena shooter instead of a survival game. The scenario you described could certainly fit that mould, although I have to acknowledge, especially knowing a little bit about your personal gameplay philosophy, that there is more to it than that.
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