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trakgamer12
7 years ago
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Cpu does not have POPCNT! help

when i try to open the game i get this message : [ Unsupported cpu: CPU does not have POPCNT! ] i search it on google but nothing appears help CPU:Intel core 2 duo e6550 (i know is veeeeery old b...
  • Carbonic's avatar
    Carbonic
    7 years ago

    Hi @trakgamer12 and welcome to Answers HQ

    Your CPU is below the minimum system requirements for Apex Legends and therefore wont be able to run the game.

    Minimum system requirements:

    • OS: 64-bit Windows 7
    • CPU: Intel Core i3-6300 3.8GHz / AMD FX-4350 4.2 GHz Quad-Core Processor
    • RAM: 6GB
    • GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GT 640 / Radeon HD 7700
    • GPU RAM: 1 GB
    • HARD DRIVE: Minimum 30 GB of free space

    There's sadly nothing we can do except press the "me too" button on threads in here.

    POPCNT is a part of the SSE4 CPU instructions as can be seen here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE4

    As can be seen here: https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/aop521/quick_update_before_the_weekend/ CPUs will also need SSE3 support.

Prince_Xaine's avatar
Prince_Xaine
7 years ago

The downsides of a LGA 775 system:

1. Processor: Your processors from the LGA775 chipset lack many modern features, with the most impairing features being: Lack of L3 Cache, lack of hyper-threading, lack of instructions, most notably SSE4 and AVX, which are becoming more common in modern games and applications. These processors alone should now be considered obsolete as of 2018 - 2019, where the transition of SSE4 and AVX in games is becoming more prominent. From a workstation standpoint, you can't even use these processors for modern tasks, and from a desktop standpoint (which should be considered web browsing, emails, etc.) it's just barely functional compared to a modern processor.

2. Motherboard: LGA 775 motherboards lack USB 3.0 and SATA III to name a couple features, and these two are probably the most hindering. SATA II speeds, even with a SSD, can cause SERIOUS bottlenecks in video games that require a lot of data to be loaded on the fly, GTA V for example. And without a fast USB 3.0 interface, you will have a hard time using external media and USB 3.0 devices, making the transferring of files or even backups feel like you're in the cartoon with the Flintstones. While there are PCI-express adapters you can use, most notably for SATA III, the cost of such a device in one of your precious PCIe slots may be hard to swallow.

3. Memory: Most LGA 775 motherboards only allow up to 4 GB with some of them allowing up to 8 GB. And the transfer speeds of these DDR2 modules are a bit low, so if you only have 4 GB, see above about the Flintstones if you plan on gaming. If you have 8 GB, you're almost in the clear, just remember, the RAM is SLOW, which will reduce your FPS in some games, and some games require 16 GB, which means even if you could play a game, you're left out of the fun because you don't have enough memory.

4. Chassis: Let's just throw this in here as well. Most LGA 775 systems have an ancient, ugly, silver case with no kinds of air filters or cable management. That means, spaghetti wires everywhere, dust everywhere and terrible airflow. Not what the PCMasterRace had in mind.

5. Price/Performance: Some people may argue that the prices of an LGA 775 system are so low it may be worth the buy. I can assure you - it's not. For roughly $300 - $400 USD you can build a cheap system using a Dell Optiplex 7010 MT ($100), i7-3770 ($100) a 500W Power supply ($50), and slap a GTX 1060 in ($150) and you're able to play all the latest games. Maybe you can even find that above system for cheaper (eBay). The point of the matter is, even if you are getting all of the parts for around $50 - $100, just remember, you don't even get a fraction of the performance of a newer system. (The above system isn't even all that much newer, ~5 years) 

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RevGunthak
7 years ago

@Prince_Xainesaid:

"The downsides of a LGA 775 system:

1. Processor:

2. Motherboard:

3. Memory:

4. Chassis:

5. Price/Performance:

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I dunno man. It's like you presume PC users leave their machines as-is.

- My Xeon X5470 quad is inside a socket 775 motherboard (Nvidia 790i Ultra x3 SLI).

- It has SSE 4.1, which is a turn-key instruction to emulating POPCNT.

- The Xeon is clocked at 3.8 Ghz with headroom for more.

- One of the fast SLI-ready PCIexpress slots is indeed perfect for Sata III, and SSD.

- The motherboard received an update long ago allowing for 16 GB of RAM, and that's what I have.

- To reiterate, 16 GB of RAM in this 775 motherboard.

- It's also fast DDR3 ram, and the board allows for easy memory overclocking (past base 1600Mhz).

- Paired with an AMD RX 580 8GB card, I have 24 GB of total physical memory in this 775 system.

- As for the chassis, what a strange observation. A motherboard is a motherboard, a case is a case.

I have beautiful Noctua fans, multiple air filters, and - not to show off - really efficient cable management.

A smart Coolermaster case.

As for "It's just barely functional compared to a modern processor" -

I will point you to real, non-exaggerated, 1080p/High settings/60 frame per second gaming in these titles:

The Witcher 3

Dark Souls 3

GTA V

PUBG

Fear the Wolves

Fortnite

H1Z1

DOOM

Killing Floor 2

Destiny 2

Dishonored 1/2

Deus Ex HR/Mankind Divided

Prey

Final Fantasy XIV and XV

Resident Evil 2 Remake

Etc.

^ Not "barely functional". Highly functional and enjoyable. People have put GTX 980 Ti and GTX 1080 in these rigs for 1440p/60fps/4K 30fps gaming as well.

The Rx 580 is my limit for that PC, as I have a 1080p display for it. Plus, it's a very comfortable 1080p spec.

As for cost? Well, sometimes that's the beauty of PC gaming. When you buy a workhorse gaming rig, it's often built to last many, many years with upgradability and spec tweaking.

You defray the cost of upgrades over several years.

That's my "co-op partner" PC downstairs, and I take some pride in how performant it still is - with a little upgrading, power tweaking, and good maintenance. 

That's reflected in its ability to run many state-of-the-art AAA games of 2018-19 quite well.

(It's a great media/HTPC, too, often filling that role).

Your post speaks to stock 775 boards and presumes little-to-zero modifications.

  • ViaColer's avatar
    ViaColer
    7 years ago

    EA PLEASE, fix this, at least for cpus with SSE4.1 support.

  • Prince_Xaine's avatar
    Prince_Xaine
    7 years ago

    For most people, they don't upgrade a LGA775 machine as far as you or I would. I will admit I was unaware any LGA775 machine was capable of using DDR3 memory at all, but how many people in this forum have anything close to what you have in that machine? Even if it is possible to upgrade it that far, it probably still isn't worth the cost/performance versus something a bit more modern. I respect the build, I have a LGA775 system too, that's how I ended up here, but the LGA775 system for me is just something to tinker with. I have a modern machine, as well as you it seems.

    But just because it's technically capable of what you have built, doesn't mean we should recommend people to go out and build something like you have. Your build likely costs just as much as a LGA 1155 system, only to lack modern instructions and features. I stand by my original statement, albeit with the knowledge that DDR3 is possible.

    Again, respect dude for your beast of a LGA775 system.

    I'm using a 8700K + 1080 Ti in my main build.

    For my potato:

    - Also a Cooler Master Case with LED fans

    - Asrock G31M-S

    - 8 GB DDR2 @800 MHz

    - Intel Xeon X5470 771 - 775 mod

    - GTX 1050 Ti (honestly, just something I had laying around)

    - Kingston A400 SSD

    - 500 GB HDD

    - Rosewill Glacier 80+ Bronze Power Supply

    Didn't deck mine out as far, but the Asrock can't really do that much. lol

  • GonzaloAFR's avatar
    GonzaloAFR
    7 years ago

    I really don't think that LGA 775 it's obsolete at all, it is old but not obsolete.

    I have very low end PC i'm from Venezuela so it's kinda hard to get a decent gaming PC.

    My Specs:

    Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q8400 @2.66GHz

    GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GT440 GDDR5 1GB

    RAM: 6GB DDR3 RAM @1333MHz

    Motherboard: Asrock G41M-VS3

    Note: I'm using a Laptop 320GB HDD

    Now that you know my really low specs, i can tell you that a i can run GTAV in 720p (Normal Graphics) Stable 30FPS all the time (Because i have the game locked at 30FPS with Riva Tuner so it doesn't use 100% of the GPU) and it barely use the 60% of my CPU. Also games like Fortnite, Jump Force, PUBG, Emulators (PS2, WII, etc, 60FPS) and Watch Dogs are totally playable and enjoyable (30+ FPS) at 720p and even 1080p in some games (older ones obviously).

    I wasn't expecting to run Apex 1080p full graphics, but at least i really wanted to try and see if i had any luck running it and make it playable. You have no idea how hard it's to buy new games or any game really in my country not even if i spend a full minimum salary would be enough to buy a 10$ game, the ones i have it's because they were gifts, so when a free game like this one comes out, i really want to make the most out of it.. But EA doesn't care so, here we are 🙂

    • PhoenixCr4zy's avatar
      PhoenixCr4zy
      7 years ago
      Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q8400 @2.77GHz
      GPU: NVIDIA Quadro k620 DDR3 2GB
      RAM: 6GB DDR3 RAM @1333MHz
      Motherboard: Asrock G41M-VS3
      Note: 500GB + 500GB hard drive

      game to fortnite at 60-120 Fps
      Counter-Strike: Global Offensive 120-160 Fps
      GTA V: 65Fps
      Battlefield 1: 60fps
      PUBG: 70Fps
      Call of Duty®: Black Ops IIII: 35FPS
  • GonzaloAFR's avatar
    GonzaloAFR
    7 years ago

    I really don't think that LGA 775 it's obsolete at all, it is old but not obsolete.

    I have very low end PC i'm from Venezuela so it's kinda hard to get a decent gaming PC.

    My Specs:

    Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q8400 @2.66GHz

    GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GT440 GDDR5 1GB

    RAM: 6GB DDR3 RAM @1333MHz

    Motherboard: Asrock G41M-VS3

    Note: I'm using a Laptop 320GB HDD

    Now that you know my really low specs, i can tell you that a i can run GTAV in 720p (Normal Graphics) Stable 30FPS all the time (Because i have the game locked at 30FPS with Riva Tuner so it doesn't use 100% of the GPU) and it barely use the 60% of my CPU. Also games like Fortnite, Jump Force, PUBG, Emulators (PS2, WII, etc, 60FPS) and Watch Dogs are totally playable and enjoyable (30+ FPS) at 720p and even 1080p in some games (older ones obviously).

    I wasn't expecting to run Apex 1080p full graphics, but at least i really wanted to try and see if i had any luck running it and make it playable. You have no idea how hard it's to buy new games or any game really in my country not even if i spend a full minimum salary would be enough to buy a 10$ game, the ones i have it's because they were gifts, so when a free game like this one comes out, i really want to make the most out of it.. But EA doesn't care so, here we are 🙂

    • TheMightyShank's avatar
      TheMightyShank
      7 years ago

      POSSIBLE FIX FOR SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HEXADECIMAL CODE!
      I have had this problem ever since the game was launched and like many of you recently got the POPCNT error with the most recent update. I have done a lot of looking around for fixes online and work-arounds and figured out that something very similar was a problem for people who wanted to play Quantum break on an older CPU a few years back. Upon searching around, this fix was found for Quantum Break in editing the code that gave the error and searched for POPCNT...However...I have already tried to apply this fix to Apex and because none of the files have the same names... (I checked them all, even applying the same method to every .dll file to see if any of them contained the same string of code to no avail). If anybody who is more versed in Hex code would be willing to look into this and try to figure out what line of code is prohibiting us from launching I think a fix/workaround is possible.
      (In case the link doesn't work for some reason the page with instructions can be found by searching "git hub Ogurets POPCNT emulator" and clicked the first or second link and looking for the "alternative fix" under the issues tab)


      https://github.com/ogurets/popcnt_emulator/issues/2

      Here's the link hoping it works anyways.

      • RevGunthak's avatar
        RevGunthak
        7 years ago

        @TheMightyShank  Very interesting, this POPCNT Emulator.

        Of course a Respawn Technical Director could probably assign this to a couple of intern coders fresh out of college and have it buttoned-up in a week, integrated in code seamlessly and ready to include in the next game patch, with no effect on existing users.

        Welcoming several more players into the game, and adding potential microtransaction buyers.

  • apeXeonX2's avatar
    apeXeonX2
    7 years ago

    yeah this is foul i have dual xeons and everything runs damn near flawless. popcnt sounds to me like they want to phase us out... #oldworkstationslivesmatter

    • NoSimpsAllowed's avatar
      NoSimpsAllowed
      7 years ago

      Yeah dual 771 socket xeons built on the Core 2 Quad architecture basically gives you 8 threads similar to an I7.  There is no reason EA couldn't support this.  I'm not happy with this either.  Matter of fact even an OC'd Q6600 can play modern titles on low/med settings with a good graphics card and at least 8GB RAM. 

      I really hope they address this.

      • Cozzolino92's avatar
        Cozzolino92
        7 years ago

        Please, for new and old users in this thread, check these resources:

        For the relevant informations about the POPCNT error, check this post.

        For a recap of the situation, check this post.

        Get informed! Some users feel threatened by the idea of adding retrocompatibility for older CPUs and will react negatively to the issue. Most will turn supportive once given the needed informations!

        Remember what this is all about: this is a compatibility problem that most likely has a trivial solution, but there's no way to know for sure without insider knowledge. What we want is to draw attention to the issue and get a definitive, clear answer from a dev. Can this issue be fixed?

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