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Re: Cpu does not have POPCNT! help

@Psyrecx  

Ok, you're about to get an education so sit back junior. I'll address your arguments one by one and show you that you should never try to debate someone with an education.

Point #1. I mentioned threads showing two different "dual core" cpu's. One has 2c/2t the other 2c/4t. My point is that games are multi threaded today and the addition of hyper threading has an impact today. I know the difference between physical and logical cores - Fail

Point #2. You stated, " By making an assumption of what benchmarks I was referring to? Never used that page, so congrats on that fail." At least I GAVE YOU A REFERENCE. You just spout off numbers with no evidence or any real world application. - Fail

Point #3. You stated, " It's also not that hard to find videos showing the issues with the C2Qs and modern games. Heck a C2Q bottlenecked a 1050 with low settings on Fortnite. It ran, but caused massive framerate drops, sub 30s. "

Here you go - Fail

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsDg403lFS8  - Epic settings

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  • Psyrecx's avatar
    Psyrecx
    7 years ago

    @NoSimpsAllowed wrote:

    I'll address your arguments one by one and show you that you should never try to debate someone with an education.


    When did I do that?


    @NoSimpsAllowed wrote:

    Point #1. I mentioned threads showing two different "dual core" cpu's. One has 2c/2t the other 2c/4t. My point is that games are multi threaded today and the addition of hyper threading has an impact today. I know the difference between physical and logical cores - Fail


    You repeatedly mentioned how important threads are in defense of something that doesn't even have threads. Yes, it is a fail. 


    @NoSimpsAllowed wrote:

    At least I GAVE YOU A REFERENCE. You just spout off numbers with no evidence or any real world application. - Fail



    You gave a reference based on your own assumption. It's called a straw man argument. A person with an education might know that.


    @NoSimpsAllowed wrote:

    Here you go - Fail


    Here you go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckoxVx-3Tko And that's even with a i7 several gens old.


  • Point #1.  You stated, "You repeatedly mentioned how important threads are in defense of something that doesn't even have threads. Yes, it is a fail."  My point was comparing cpu benchmarks is not an indication of whether the CPU can play a game or not.  The EE 965 does have HT , aka threads.  I compared two dual core CPU's with a similar benchmark score but with other factors which made the similar score irrelevant for gaming. - Fail

    Point #2.  You stated, "you gave a reference based on your own assumption. It's called a straw man argument. A person with an education might know that."  Uh, no!  You gave percentages without any reference material.  That would be like writing a paper in school where the teacher needs 2 references for your writing assignment and you don't give any.  My point is at least I gave you a reference where you just make claims with no evidence. - Fail

    Point #3.  You stated, "Here you go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckoxVx-3Tko And that's even with a i7 several gens old."  Uh, that's a Q6600 he's using.  Who said anything about the "first" C2Q.  They don't even have SSE4 in the first place.  Everything I referenced was the Q9XXX series not the Q6XXX.  Again, I gave you evidence on youtube that the Q9XXX series play modern games fine - Fail

    In that same video lets see what some of the commentors had to say.

    OzTalksHW
    "Even though it's a pretty old chip, I think the clock speed is holding it back more than anything. I would snag a Xeon E5450. The extra 600 MHz and 4 MB of cache would make a big difference. Also, that GPU usage is driving me nuts 😅 Great video to start off the year
     
    BTW, that YouTuber OzTalkHW has 178,000 subscribers and has tested every C2Q and proved it's capable.  That guy ONLY does computer vids.  I'll trust a grown a$$ man like OzTalk with 178,000 subscribers who already proved higher end C2Q's can play modern games.  

    You're losing the arguments bud.  I have no stutter with my Q9550. 

  • Psyrecx's avatar
    Psyrecx
    7 years ago

    @NoSimpsAllowed wrote:

    I compared two dual core CPU's with a similar benchmark score but with other factors which made the similar score irrelevant for gaming. - Fail


    Thank you for confirming you made another strawman argument. Quite failed.


    @NoSimpsAllowed wrote:

    You gave percentages without any reference material.  That would be like writing a paper in school where the teacher needs 2 references for your writing assignment and you don't give any.  My point is at least I gave you a reference where you just make claims with no evidence. - Fail


    Reference material wasn't needed to prove a point. Though, an ability to find the point might be needed in your case.



    @NoSimpsAllowed wrote:

     Again, I gave you evidence on youtube that the Q9XXX series play modern games fine - Fail



    Yes, it played a somewhat recent game at an extremely low resolution. Even then it had plenty of issues. Though, I'm sure you get used to the constant freezing. I guess that's what some consider 'fine'. What does the same GPU do on a recent i7? Does it show any sort of a bottleneck? Might it be a bottleneck of 200% or more?

    Thank you for confirming what I said, congrats on that brilliance. 

  • I would really stop feeding the troll ... everyone knows who is right here..
    its like saying DX12 is out ! so kill DX11 no game should run on it
    .. its about compatibility not performance .. and it never was...
    The game company that is making the game should know that... and EA is all being political about games .. and banning countries proves that... which should not be related to it..at all
    its a filthy game.. and if its overrated devs decided to do so .. so be it.
    Any sane person that does a little research will understand what is going on here ...
    @NoSimpsAllowedyou can argue with this troll all day like .. i did the same thing but some ppl are just that way and you know it.. but hopefully seems like he now understands that its not performance issue..

  • @SorenalikeLOL!  The thing with trolls is they like to cause trouble for some odd enjoyment.  Initially I thought ok, I'll use logic and knowledge about computing but once you get a troll they just want to argue for the sake of arguing.  I think it has to be some attachment issue or insecurities.   

  • Sorenalike's avatar
    Sorenalike
    7 years ago
    It took a while for intel to understand that too but now they do
    idk if you guys noticed but they used to tag their older cpu's as "END OF LIFE" now they change it to "discontinued" .. its just matter of time
    some ppl might not notice but its a big change and i am glad they did it
  • @GgHAZeGg  Of course it does.  The best price per performance C2Q's out there are the Q9400 and Q9500.  Particularly the Q9400 seeing you can pick those up for under $15 U.S.  The Q9500, Q9550, X3360 can get pricey though.