The game has become impossible to play as it sttuters even on champion screem. I skip frames in fights. Cant even play arenas.I am on origin. I repaired the game with lastest nvidia drivers.Season 9 has been bad and this update made it even worse.I tried adding and remove frame rate limiter via launch paramters and its still terrible.My ConfigIntel i5-7300HQ Processor, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060, 8GB RAM.Please help

this is ridiculous. how does this bug always come back? i literally cannot run the game past the startup screen because my cpu and gpu instantly get pushed to 100%.No my hardware isnt broken at all, yes all my drivers are up to date, yes my pc is perfectly capable of running this game at max settings, yes apex is the only game where i have ever had this problem.ive tried everything, the best i can get is firing range with 10 seconds lag spikes constantly.

@EA_Illium Regardless of the FPS cap I choose, I keep on getting +90% CPU usage ever since this patch, causing the game to stutter and crash after character selection screen.I'm running on Windows 10 LTSC thro Steam, on a i7-2600k. I have not had these issues before this patch, I have streams that show this as proof. I'm not the only one experiencing this, even console players are experiencing worse performance. And not even that, the above 190fps bug that has been a thing since the launch of this game also wasn't fixed, even though the developers mentioned it should be.

This !@#$ again... Last time I fixed this by:1.) Uninstalling the game2.) Wait 3 months3.) Check forums for community provided solution4.) Game fixed.I'm so glad I don't pay for this game... I feel sorry for all the folks that have invested actual $$ into it and get this experience as a result..Stay strong salty my brothers and sisters... see you in 3 months.

@SpectreFang alright i haven't tried one thing out and it was changing the affinity of the game launchers themselves......so open origin/steamopen up task managerclick on origin/steam then click on go to detailsright click on origin/steamclick on affinityso here according to how many cpu cores you have you should uncheck <all proccessors> and then check cpu 0 and the highest cpu you have (mine was 7)i really hope it works for you guys too have a great day/night

Long post warning.Just like everyone else here, I've been investigating the CPU and stuttering issues with these last couple of seasons that never existed before with Apex. I've discovered several different things that Apex is doing now that it didn't do in the past seasons. Some are related to the CPU issues y'all are having and others are just other problems that are not directly related, but will pile up and make all your problems worse. I'll detail the issues below, but for just the CPU issue, the main problem is that Apex is not multithreading CPU evenly across all cores like it did in the past. I own my own IT Engineering business, so I treated this problem like any other problem customers pay us to fix.#1 CPU Issue:The high CPU issue mainly happens when you are capable of high FPS (+180) and you have a less powerful CPU whether that is less GHz or less than 8 cores. You should be able to run Apex fine like in the past, but what happens is that if you look at all your cores while running the game, you will see one core is at 100%. On my son's i9-9900KS, it is his 2nd core. All other cores are sleeping at less than 25%. He has a 2080ti, so easily does 240FPS, but if he looks at certain parts in the firing range, or during intense fights, that 2nd core goes from around 50% to 100%. When the core hits 100%, his FPS drops as low as 180+. As soon as the core goes below 100% (even like 95%), his FPS goes back to a solid 240FPS. Since the rest of his specs are also top of the line, he doesn't feel any stuttering in game. He has dual PC for streaming though, and every time that core hits 100%, his stream stutters. What I did to fix that is I set the affinity for the NDI ScreenCaptureHX software/process from "all cores" to "all cores except the 2nd core". Now the capture software on his gaming PC runs happily and doesn't get affected constantly every time the 2nd core hits 100%. People with high FPS GPUs, but lesser CPUs than a i9-9900KS will have higher than 50% usage on that one core, so in turn will more easily hit the 100%. With like a 4-6 core CPU, I would imagine your base would almost be 100% for that core and doing anything in the game would just blast it at 100% constantly which would dip it a lot more than the 180+ FPS minimum he gets. With lower FPS cards, your problem gets "better". My PC has a good 4/8 core CPU (i7-4790k) at 4GHz. If I had his 2080ti, my CPU would've melted down already because of the Apex CPU core issue. I could probably only get 100FPS out of the 2080ti, and the game would feel like crap. "Fortunately" or not, I have a GTX 760SC which only does about 75 FPS in Apex. This is not enough FPS to "stress" my less capable CPU versus his i9-9900KS, so the one core sits at around 70% max no matter what I do in game. My initial "band-aid" for his stuttering stream problem after discovering the non-optimized process was to limit his FPS to 144. That "worked" by keeping that 2nd core at a max of about 70%, but he did not like that because he could really "feel" the missing 100 FPS. The final band-aid of moving the capture software/process off of the 2nd "hot" core keeps it from stuttering the stream and keeps him happy at 240FPS. In summary, if you have a powerful CPU and a dinky GPU (less than 100FPS) like me, you probably won't have any issues. If you are backwards and have a powerful GPU (+200FPS), but a dinky CPU, the "Apex CPU Bug" will be bad for you. Unfortunately, since spreading processes across cores (multithreading) is handled by Windows depending on how the software/process tells it too, there is nothing we can do to fully solve the problem until Apex Dev correctly code Apex to fully or at least more evenly spread workload across all CPU cores. Once they do that, Windows will happily obey and spread it across all the cores it is allowed to. Obviously, in the last couple of seasons since around Genesis, Apex Dev has changed and messed up that part.#2 Memory Issue leading to disk usage:As I said initially, this is an unrelated issue, but if you also have this, then adding the CPU issue on top of it will be rough. What I discovered here is that when you load up Apex, it loads a huge amount of the game in system memory (not GPU memory) from your hard disk (see #3 also). On the different systems I tested, it always added up to about 6GB-7GB of memory. This is a lot more than what Apex used in the past. This is total committed memory and not just the working memory. To see this you need to use something like process explorer or even the built-in resource monitor. You will see that Apex usually uses 1GB-3GB of working memory (what you see when you just look at task manager). Since it actually commits/reserves 6GB-7GB, then everybody who only has 8GB in their PC gets screwed (I was one of them and upgraded to 16GB). It wasn't necessary before, but now is, bottom-line. When I just had 8GB of system memory, while digging into the CPU issue, I noticed that Windows was running the page file hard in the 2GB+ range, constantly swapping Apex data back and forth from my SSD to system memory since I was truly out of 8GB of memory. I couldn't believe it, but when I dug into the offending process, it was Apex. Then I saw how much Apex was reserving and it made all the numbers true. Obviously, programs and games have to load used parts into memory, but Apex looks like it loads EVERYTHING into memory at start. To not have this issue, move to 16GB. They might be doing this at Apex startup to avoid long read times from people who have mechanical/spinning hard disks versus SSDs. This would be an issue since you would still be reading map data and other things while already in the lobby and queuing into a match. Starting a match without having read all the data to system memory from your hard disk would suck. Your GPU would not have enough data yet to begin modeling your world.#3 Disk usage even with 16GB and up:As I started to explain in #2, Apex loads EVERYTHING to system memory when you first start the game. You need more than 8GB of system memory to be able to fit it all and not swap. The problem with reading those 4GB-5GB of data off your hard disk is that it takes time. We are not talking about some word document or even a 500MB video. From my testing, Apex takes about 1 minute on a good SSD at about 200MB/s. On a really fast PCIe SSD it takes about 30 seconds at around 400MB/s. I don't have a fast PC using an old spinning/mechanical hard disk, but they are so slow compared to an SSD, I could only guess it would take at least 4-5 minutes for Apex to finish loading all the behind the scenes data needed by the time you start a match. You can easily see this by starting Apex while having your Task Manager open on the first tab/processes. Sort by the disk column and you will see that the Apex process uses a huge amount of disk for a long time relative to the speed of your hard disk. If you still have an old spinning disk, you will suffer pain greatly. Upgrade to an SSD and avoid at least this #3 pain. There are several good SSDs out there, Intel, Samsung, Micron, etc., but even the cheapest $20, no name, flea market SSD is 20 times faster than your old tech spinning disk. Lifespan might be an issue with the cheap stuff, but for $50+ you can get a very reliable brand. An SSD will cut down the Apex loading time to 1 minute, which will make your Apex gaming experience so much better. Still loading Apex 4-5 minutes after start, and 2 minutes into your first match still will suck from a graphics, FPS, and lag point of view.Sorry for the long post, but I spent a lot of time diagnosing this CPU issue that never existed before in Apex and caught us all off guard. Along the way I discovered a few other things not directly related that will add to your headaches also. This is not an exhaustive list. Some people will have totally different types of issues if the health of their PC and/or Windows is not the best. If y'all are having issues similar to the ones I discovered, then raise your hand to Respawn so that they get pressured by this and continue to make these issues a Dev priority. I've seen some of the Dev things and they "supposedly" do have this as one of their action items they are working on. Not sure why it has been more than 2 months, but it is what it is. If you need help, reach out and I'll do what I can to get you band-aided meanwhile.

Stuttering issues after genesis update

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Snowe_asuka
4 years ago
Was able to play games by using the "waiting-to-drop" method but, anyone here also experiencing high input lag? Like all of my keys are delayed lol even though the GPU and CPU are normal.

Either you get stuttering match or a 200 ping even though the server is only 1 city away. Come on, respawn. Do something.
At this point I'm pretty much convinced that this game is broken and unplayable. lol
babyblueee
4 years ago
This is weird, my CPU, GPU, and wifi are fine, I already change the launch options, in-game settings, update and reinstall all my drivers, validating files, even redownload the game, and I'm still experiencing lag and stutter. I play other games like Overwatch, SOTTR, Far Cry 5, etc and they are fine, only Apex the one with lag and stutter.
Redmattgame
4 years ago
@Snowe_asuka wrote:
Was able to play games by using the "waiting-to-drop" method but, anyone here also experiencing high input lag? Like all of my keys are delayed lol even though the GPU and CPU are normal.

Either you get stuttering match or a 200 ping even though the server is only 1 city away. Come on, respawn. Do something.
At this point I'm pretty much convinced that this game is broken and unplayable. lol
On all 3 formats I play Apex (Xbox One,PS4,PS5) I always seem to be affected that awful delay when picking up items/weapons & when opening chests which can be infuriating when teammates & enemies swipe the very items/weapons you're trying to pick up yourself but are hindered by delay which I'd say is possibly high input lag.
I've always been a huge fan of Apex from the characters to the story-lines,the in-game banter between characters to the brilliantly trailers showcasing new characters,seasons etc that build up high levels of anticipation among us as to what is coming.And as I mentioned in a previous comment when Apex is at it's best (without issues) it is probably the best multiplier out there.It is just a shame for me that the game has hit a wall due to persistent issues,a wall that the game devs can't seem to climb or knock down.Plenty of us loyal players have experienced similar performances issues several seasons ago & pointed them out but were largely ignored.So it comes as no surprise these issues were only going to get worse & not better & just sweeping them under the carpet hoping they'd disappear was never going to be the solution.
And as @Snowe_asuka rightly mentions playing Apex in the unplayable/broken state caused by stability issues becomes a battle in its own right let alone fighting against the completely unbalanced match-making issues & with increased volume of players using aimbot & other cheats.
ildeserto
4 years ago
We need a fix for 100% CPU usage!!! Limiting cores/power supply IS NOT FIXING IT.
Redmattgame
4 years ago
Just attempted to play Arenas this evening & the whole performance issues were just brutal although the ping remained at around 40ms throughout the game the amount of stuttering & screen clipping was terrible.& my character kept drifting,rubber-banding & moving without touching my controller.And when I kept trying to adopt the old peek-aboo approach (crouching on the corner of a building/object taking pop-shots) whilst exchanging gunfire with the enemy my character would just suddenly drift away from the building as getting sucked in by an imaginary Horizon's Black Hole Ultimate.The whole game just felt terrible & painful to endure but through blind loyalty to my teammates quitting just wasn't an option but having to grind out a game in such appalling conditions does leave me questioning my appetite for the game (mainly because the game is unplayable with no resolution in sight it seems).
I did hear speculation from several Apex You-Tubers that the whole furore around server issues dogging the game throughout Season 9may be resolved for the start of Season 10 in August.They both claim from insiders involved in the game that neither EA or Respawn own the servers that Apex is played on.In fact the servers are owned & leased by a company called Multiplay where EA signed a 6 year contract to use their servers for Apex & both Titanfall games.The 6 year contract apparently ends in August & leaves EA with the option to (either) re-sign with with Multiplay which one would assume to be problematic for future seasons due to the fact the consistent server problems that have dogged Season 9 could cause the same issues in Season 10 & beyond. It is well known in the industry that Apex (on Multiplay servers) is one of the lowest 'tick rate' performing multiplayer games at 20hz compared to other games such as Fortnite;30hz, Overwatch;60hz with Valorant;128hz (the highest performing game).The lower the 'tick rate' of a game the more problems ie performance issues, unresponsiveness & other issues as well as packet loss being more common.When the contract ends the speculation is that EA could cut ties with Midway & either provide servers of their own or negotiate leasing servers from an alternate company with less problematic servers.Fingers crossed either way.
Apologies for the long-winded message (phewww!)
MintyBatsnack
4 years ago
My feeling is that the pressure to drive revenue within the org must be pretty strong. I don't get the impression that any of these franchises are really built for the long term. It seems more like once you get a successful property its a pump & dump to squeeze whatever revenue you can out of it, as fast as you can, because your racing against the new sexy that isn't out yet, but you know is coming. That being said, I would be surprised to see any significant improvement in infrastructure (since every $ spent is one you could be reporting as profit)... and since the player base is pretty flat right now and appears to be slightly declining I'm not sure how you make that case to management. I mean.. I hope it comes true.... I'd love to be wrong.
And if you want a case study on how declining platforms are handled.. just look at where Titanfall is right now and how much time and $$ is being invested in that property.
Redmattgame
4 years ago
@MintyBatsnack As I've always said in my opinion when Apex is on form (with no performance issues etc) it is probably the best multiplayer out there.If Apex was to end at the end of season 9 & was no more I don't feel there is another game to fill Apex's shoes at the moment. There are some genuine rivals due out later this year with Battlefield 2042,the next COD game & Overwatch 2.Respawn have a pretty good track record when it comes to quality games & the devs have mentioned they have already laid out ambitious plans for at least the next 3,4,5etc seasons with future characters & maps already in the pipeline.Apex's future will ultimately be in EA's hands as they own Respawn & if reports I noted in my previous comment are correct about EA's 6 year contract leasing servers owned by Midway coming to an end then it'll fall on EA to continue on with the problematic servers which will inevitably lead to a further fall in player-base.Or do they decide to provide their own servers or lease servers more capable of dealing with the complexities of a game like Apex trying to build on it's player base.I just feel that it the game is still suffering from the same issues as it has done in season 9 when in fact nothing has changed I honestly believe the game will never see a season 11.I know plenty of players who got so frustrated with the long serving issues in season 9 they deleted the game believing nothing was going to be fixed.But I know (as I regularly speak to them) they will be back playing again if the game is genuinely fixed & I believe those same performance issues are the main reason the player base has seen a sharp decline.

I do think there is still plenty of life (potentially) in the game particularly as it traverses between the Titanfall universe.
xiopiyeotl
4 years ago
i cant believe it takes so much time to fix it? no way
L4JKAN
4 years ago
they won't fix it
Snowe_asuka
4 years ago
I'll be honest. This kind of bug which affects the game and players' PC should be on top priority. It feels like respawn doesn't care as long as the TTVs aren't affected. An AAA developer taking 3 WEEKS to fix a huge performance issue. But if it is a problem about in-game store that no one even mentions, they will fix it within the same hour they found it.

Just saying what this situation feels like on my perspective.

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