4 years ago

Changes needed for fxaa and soflam/recoilless

In 128 player matches there are potentially 20-30+ fxaa locking into 3-4 air vehicles at any time in various spots.

The whole map is a minefield for vehicles + rao can disable flares.

I know a lot of people think helis are overpowered but only good pilots can survive very long.

I suggest that due to the map size the effective range of the fxaa is reduced in a novel way: the fxaa projectile only travels at full speed for the first 4 seconds or so of travel time. After that it reduces speed drastically and blows up after another 3-4 seconds max.

If you lock a heli at the edge of your radar range it should be able to dodge more easily as the rocket chases the heli up to 500,600 meters out.

This would punish helis that don't hit and run or plan escape still. And honestly if a heli pilot can identify where the fxaa is coming from and move away that's a fun risk/reward of dodging a missle vs using flares. And jets would be able to use their speed to avoid fxaa as well. It's also somewhat realistic as anti air targets dont have unlimited fuel.

As for the recoilless having it lock to soflam air targets is completely overpowered. It should be incredibly slow to ascend and rarely hit targets that are above 200-300m with aerial soflam lock.

Ideally I would like to see a different launcher be used for soflam lock that is lower damage like in bf4. It makes no sense to have a 400 damage rocket that can lock aerial soflam targets and be nearly as reliable as fxaa.

In the same way that Infantry has to deal with wide open spaces, aerial vehicles have to deal with wide open skies that lack tall vehicles for cover, and they can be locked and chased by fxaa or soflam for a long, long distance.

I know most people think the helis are too strong but with 64 opponents the amount of anti-air in most games is way higher than bf4 and for a lot of reasons helis are even more fragile than ever. And considering the skill involved, learning to fly helis and jets well should be rewarded more than just right trigger, lock on, shoot.

discussion

98 Replies

Psubond
4 years ago
@SpudBug i think they all work just fine and no adjustments are needed. helos should not be able to loiter over a hot battlefield without being destroyed. stay low and stay fast and you will be nearly impossible to kill. M5 and soflam requires a minimum of two people (aka) teamwork and the M5 is slow. this game should not be a farming simulator for air vehicles and i disagree with nerfing AA options to make it one.
Ironhead841
Hero
4 years ago
@Psubond wrote:
@SpudBugi think they all work just fine and no adjustments are needed. helos should not be able to loiter over a hot battlefield without being destroyed. stay low and stay fast and you will be nearly impossible to kill. M5 and soflam requires a minimum of two people (aka) teamwork and the M5 is slow. this game should not be a farming simulator for air vehicles and i disagree with nerfing AA options to make it one.
LOL, I agree.
I actually thought the original poster was being sarcastic.
If anything, I would boost the shoulder-fired AA out to about 600 yds. since right now it won't lock on past 400yds.
RayD_O1
Hero
4 years ago
@Ironhead841 wrote:
@Psubond wrote:
@SpudBugi think they all work just fine and no adjustments are needed. helos should not be able to loiter over a hot battlefield without being destroyed. stay low and stay fast and you will be nearly impossible to kill. M5 and soflam requires a minimum of two people (aka) teamwork and the M5 is slow. this game should not be a farming simulator for air vehicles and i disagree with nerfing AA options to make it one.
LOL, I agree.
I actually thought the original poster was being sarcastic.
If anything, I would boost the shoulder-fired AA out to about 600 yds. since right now it won't lock on past 400yds.
Ahahaha, Farming Simulator made me chuckle.
I was half expecting you to throw in one of your animal references. 😬
Ironhead841
Hero
4 years ago
@RayD_O1 Nope can't take credit for that one, @Psubond is the one who came up with "farming simulator" but I like it 😎
RayD_O1
Hero
4 years ago
@Ironhead841 wrote:
@RayD_O1 Nope can't take credit for that one, @Psubond is the one who came up with "farming simulator" but I like it 😎
Yeah I like it too. 😎
Bolvard
4 years ago
@SpudBugIf anything fxaa and soflam should be buffed

This game is almost on par with BF3 air dominance except the jets cant hunt down infantry with unlimited range rocket pods like back in BF3.

But the attack Heli again just hovers somewhere in the air and his gunner picks off infantry while having AGAIN unlimited range and ammo.

So it is no Wonder that people start using more and more AA becouse it is hell of annoying if something kills you while there is no counter to it.

If anything the soflam M5 Recoiless and Stinger should be buffed in lock-on range.

Or buff the lock-on range against laser designated targets to 800.

In hourglass it is almost like back in BF4, complete air dominance between the skyscrapers becouse either the lock-on breaks or the rocket fly into buildings.

Teamwork should always bring down air vehicles and currently it does not…. Well.. only overextending pilots or complete noobs.
Trokey66
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
There should be no nerfs applied to AA until they lock and track consistently, once that is sorted then perhaps review it but until then......
edgecrusherO0
4 years ago
@Trokey66 I love that 3/4ths of the time my rocket locks on and fires, the helicopter remains in range and doesn't pop flares...and the rocket just * off in a random direction. I don't mind getting outplayed by someone dragging the rocket into a building or hill, or if they fly out of range or pop flares but like...having it literally do nothing is lame.
SpudBug
4 years ago
I know you think that as infantry you're free to helis but try flying sometime. The nightbird is fragile as hell and the rocket pods kill maybe 2 poeple before needing to be reloaded. The problem is they spawn too many on attack on breakthrough and people think helis are invincible.
Heli pilots are targeted by:
Wildcats
Jets
Condors
Hinds (the true OP air vehicles)
Other nightbirds
And up to 64 ground infantry with fxaa and soflam and RAO hacking them so they can't use flares!
And what are night birds good at?
Destroying other air vehicles mainly
Using rocket pods to target single infantry or infantry that's gathered up behind cover.
Not to mention most of the maps have very little air cover to break locks outside of the edges of the map, and there's no low floor for radar like in BF4.
But just because people get blown up by a heli once or twice they think it's OP.
The problem is you shouldn't be able to put a good pilot in an inescapable situation just cause 3 people held left trigger for a bit and clicked once.
If your team's nightbird can survive longer and not have to deal with being locked on at 400m and then chased by a missle for another 300m after that it means your team's nightbird can kill the real threat, the hinds and condors that are obliterating both air and ground targets and vehicles...
Hinds and condors are the real air beasts, but everyone thinks it's the nightbird because of the old "stuttering/freezing" glitch. And the nightbird is one of the best counters to the hind/condor
filthy_vegans
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@SpudBug wrote:
But just because people get blown up by a heli once or twice they think it's OP.
If there weren't SOFLAMs with M5s and FXAAs, the helicopters, particularly the Nightbird would be insanely OP.
You made the point earlier that the lock on weapons are less of a threat for good pilots. This would make the correct course of action obvious, wouldn't it?