Players do NOT get out of the transport vehicles because the weapons are far too strong at the moment.They should not be able to destroy armoured vehicles as they currently can.Transports should have one pilot slot, one gunner slot (with a minigun only) and four BLIND passenger slots."Blind" meaning NO guns, NO repairs and no means of obtaining points or XP whilst in the four additional seats on a "transport".Increase the pilot/driver "repair" function to balance the loss of the 2 rear passenger "repair" slots (which are constantly taken up with players who JUST WON'T GET OUT).You need to FORCE players to get OUT of these transport seats to cap flags.It's a "transport", please make it so that players literally CAN NOT use it as a gunship.I am a regular Hind/Condor pilot and this vehicle is still just far too strong.The MAV also needs to be reconfigured so it is actually USED as a transport.Kap.

@CantGetRight wrote:I thought it was a transport/gunship hybrid.So why did BF2 Blackhawk have 2 guns on it even though it was considered a transport as well?The Black Hawk is featured in Battlefield 2 as the USMC's transport helicopter. It has a crew of three (the pilot and two door gunners) and can hold up to three passengers (two sitting on either edge of the helicopter, one facing the right-hand side door).Arent the guns there to protect the troops as they jump out and land on the ground?fine, two miniguns, NO cannon of any sort though

I thought it was a transport/gunship hybrid.So why did BF2 Blackhawk have 2 guns on it even though it was considered a transport as well?The Black Hawk is featured in Battlefield 2 as the USMC's transport helicopter. It has a crew of three (the pilot and two door gunners) and can hold up to three passengers (two sitting on either edge of the helicopter, one facing the right-hand side door).Arent the guns there to protect the troops as they jump out and land on the ground?

@Kaptyn027 Battlefield2042 went the balancing way and provides both factions with vehicles that put in the air transport category, but technically both are deployed as gunships helicopters with limited transport capability.So in my opinion there is nothing wrong when people use a helicopter designed as a gunship, as a gunship.That the "transport helicopters" are able to destroy IFV and MBT is based on the fact, that those are armored like ww2 vehicles and use electric engines.So what we need is transport configurations for the helicopters.

@sk1lldI completely agree.....the aircraft just farm infantry as the game stands currently because they don't fear other aircraft.Jets should dominate helicopters,Helicopters should dominate armour,Armour should dominate infantry.Infantry should be able to annoy (and occasionally destroy) each of these vehicles.The whole balance of this game is off because the dev's have allowed far too much utility for each vehicle category.Restrict the weapon loadouts so that the aircraft and vehicles have a SPECIFIC category of opposing vehicle/aircraft that they can dominate.The whole "I can kill anything" approach has just led to a completely unbalanced and undefined state of play.Create a flow chart.Create a scale of dominant aircraft/vehicles.Define the battlefield a bit more.It's all a bit of a mess right now.Kap.

@kregora wrote:@Kaptyn027Battlefield2042 went the balancing way and provides both factions with vehicles that put in the air transport category, but technically both are deployed as gunships helicopters with limited transport capability.So in my opinion there is nothing wrong when people use a helicopter designed as a gunship, as a gunship.That the "transport helicopters" are able to destroy IFV and MBT is based on the fact, that those are armored like ww2 vehicles and use electric engines.So what we need is transport configurations for the helicopters.speaking of electric engines....why the * does the M1 put out a big plume of exhaust smoke when driver steps on throttle if it is supposed to be an electric vehicle?

Devs need to FORCE players to GET OUT of the transport vehicles

14 Replies

CantGetRight
3 years ago
I thought it was a transport/gunship hybrid.
So why did BF2 Blackhawk have 2 guns on it even though it was considered a transport as well?
The Black Hawk is featured in Battlefield 2 as the USMC's transport helicopter. It has a crew of three (the pilot and two door gunners) and can hold up to three passengers (two sitting on either edge of the helicopter, one facing the right-hand side door).
Arent the guns there to protect the troops as they jump out and land on the ground?
Kaptyn027
3 years ago
@CantGetRight
NO...it's a transport.
Could the Blackhawk helicopter in BF2 destroy tanks?
EDIT: @CantGetRight
You've been quiet for a while mate.
Are you back now to continue your role as an EA/DICE shill who just argues with anyone who has concerns about the state of the game?
I imagine we can expect your mate "Stew360" to make an appearance to assist you in disparaging the opinions of anyone who has concerns about the current state of the gameplay.
I do sometimes wonder if the two of you are actually EA or DICE employees tasked with providing a positive spin on the forums.

Kap.
Late EDIT regarding the post below.....
hey CantGetRight......how is it that you are able to slot replies into any location you choose in a thread?
This post below wasn't there for the first few days and then it appeared completely out of order.
Gives a bit more credence to my concerns that you are actually an EA admin or mod tasked with bringing positive spin to the forums here.
That's the #4 post I'm referring to. It wasn't there before we were already up to page 2 on this thread.
CantGetRight
3 years ago
@Kaptyn027 So was the Blackhawk and it has 2 door gunners.
Echo6Echo
3 years ago
I can get behind this somewhat. I was thinking back to the littlebird being the "repair" aircraft, remember that?
How about we do this...one pilot, one gunner, two repair, and 4 passenger spots and some balancing, though sometimes you can't keep up repairs even with two. There's damn few repair tools opportunities now to take one away. Let's add some passenger only spots instead. They are plenty big enough.
kregora
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Kaptyn027 Battlefield2042 went the balancing way and provides both factions with vehicles that put in the air transport category, but technically both are deployed as gunships helicopters with limited transport capability.
So in my opinion there is nothing wrong when people use a helicopter designed as a gunship, as a gunship.

That the "transport helicopters" are able to destroy IFV and MBT is based on the fact, that those are armored like ww2 vehicles and use electric engines.

So what we need is transport configurations for the helicopters.
Kaptyn027
3 years ago
We already have "attack" helicopters.
The minibird is also supposed to be a "transport" helicopter that carries troops to the flags so they can get OUT and cap the flag.
We all know how much of a "transport" this aircraft is.
The dev's know which category they have tried to slot these aircraft into but they just haven't configured them correctly so they they HAVE to be used to undertake the role they are meant to fill in the gameplay of BF2042.
They've tried to balance the gameplay with the roles that these aircraft are SUPPOSED to fill but by failing to configure them correctly these vehicles are not being used in the way they are designed to be used in order to create a "balanced" gameplay environment.
If you provide the means for them to be used as "attack" aircraft then clearly that's the way they are going to be used.
You need to "knobble" (look up the horse racing term if you are unfamiliar with it) these aircraft so that they are used for the "limited" role that they are intended for.
The "attack" helicopters should be the dominant force in the air.
They just aren't right now.
Kap.
sk1lld
Legend
3 years ago
I don't even play anymore due to air superiority; DICE has always loved their vehicles too much. A nerf is needed but I doubt it will ever come. Until it comes, I will sit by the sidelines and read these forums and wait for what is desperately needed.
JMHO
Kaptyn027
3 years ago
@sk1lld
I completely agree.....the aircraft just farm infantry as the game stands currently because they don't fear other aircraft.
Jets should dominate helicopters,
Helicopters should dominate armour,
Armour should dominate infantry.
Infantry should be able to annoy (and occasionally destroy) each of these vehicles.
The whole balance of this game is off because the dev's have allowed far too much utility for each vehicle category.

Restrict the weapon loadouts so that the aircraft and vehicles have a SPECIFIC category of opposing vehicle/aircraft that they can dominate.

The whole "I can kill anything" approach has just led to a completely unbalanced and undefined state of play.

Create a flow chart.
Create a scale of dominant aircraft/vehicles.
Define the battlefield a bit more.

It's all a bit of a mess right now.

Kap.
Echo6Echo
3 years ago
@Kaptyn027 Agreed and this isn't a new concept. They were close with other titles, why not emulate those? This plays back to my belief that the developer pushed this title to be something it's not, a BR clone of some other developer's title, but something caused them to go back, not want to miss a deadline and then put out this construct that's trying hard to be something it's not with half baked, at the last minute builds to put out a game on time...
RMEChief
Legend
3 years ago
@Kaptyn027 every design decision seems to be centered around a "battlefield moment". The Bolte had its day, the Little Bird, now the Transports and Stealth. All for viral clips.