Dice should update Boris Turret to shoot Paintballs

The real value of the turret was never its killing ability.

The value of the turret was to serve as a distraction + add some situational awareness. I still believe it fills that role.

Also I think there is a difference between something that IS fairly balanced.  Versus some that FEELS fairly balanced. 

Just look at the classic debates in FPS games...shotguns, snipers.   Some tools/weapons really struggle to find a balance that feels fair to everyone. These bot weapons are just going to be another item in that list of 'unbalanceable' tools.

Boris is awful now, he has been my main since release and this nerf was just to much at once.

The red dot that indicates a player with the turret is virtually impossible to see now, its so faint and small.

The turret was already easy to kill it did not need less health, now it dies instantly.

The damage is terrible now, the damage was never good in the first place really, id only ever get a few kills per round with it.

@emerson1975I used Boris turret in official TDM portal to simply cover my back blind side after I respawn as Dice places enemies behind you in 1-3 seconds after respawn in TDM...to make it more challenging...HA

I test ran Casper last night on official TDM hardcore and even though there is no radar HUD, Casper marks hundreds of players constantly without any skill or effort, and at least half the time the other side would quit because it is so easy to shoot drone market players out in the open and get them slaughtered by my team. Boris turret marks only ONE player, Casper drone is unlimited. I've never seen teams quit when I used a Boris turret. I placed first in TDM with zero kills one game, but more than 50 "Spot assists". What a joke as the drone requires you to camp under a bridge or in a bush and it instantly marks every player you fly over. The other team quit in mass as I'd drone mark them with Casper and they would get shot instantly out in the open. It was so easy it got boring so I switched to Sundance so I could superman fly into players and shoot them in the back, and then toss some super grenades once my clip ran dry and watch the rest flee in terror. But hey, at least I wasn't using a "Boris turret" that only marks a single player on the map...LOL

To be honest, TDM portal should remove all specialist abilities and just players use guns, grenades, and skill. No armor, no fantasy super powers, no gadgets....just guns. Instead, we get Battlefield/APEX with Mackay/Pathfinder shooting us from impossible high positions and other crazy Apex induced fantasy "SPECIALIST"...

Like I mentioned, at some point all 10 specialist will get nerfed into regular soldiers, and then we can have our legacy Battlefield back...of course who will be left playing in another 6 months???

So much here to respond too.  

1. Turret used to highlight single enemy by making them glow all red, now it places a red dot above player head instead.  You mean like the drone does?

2. Turret now locks onto players slower  You mean when I turn a corner, I wont be at half health before I can determine what is shooting me?!?!?! 

3. Turret now tracks players slower  See above answer

4. Turret now shots fewer bullets after locking on, thus way less damage  You mean YOU will have to kill me, not the AI?!?!?!

5. Turret can't kill a player unless they are already damaged now as second player lock on takes many seconds.  You mean you have to play!?!?! 

6. Turret green circle to improve performance has a much smaller diameter  So I dont get tracked at 200 meters coming up a hill before I am visible?!

7. Turret bullet range has been significantly reduced  You mean it cannot shoot me on top of a hill from a building 150 meters away?!?!?!

8. Turret player lock on range has been cut down to almost nothing  You mean like the drones?

9. Turret is basically a pointing device as it is easier to look at the direction of turret locks on versus looking for red dots that require direct line of sight  Huge advantage.

10. Turret can be exploded with half a clip of any gun now, or one shot from 50 cal versus the required two shots before 4.1 update.  You mean I get to kill it before it kills me!?!?!?!

Essentially, Dev is making you play.  Simply dropping AI and having it rack up kills from miles away was bogus.  Seeing through walls, dropping the turret as when you die, not being able to destroy it with one clip pretty much made you have to do nothing to rack up kills.   I cannot tell you how many times I enter a room and Boris is crouched in a corner behind his turret shield which ID'd me through a wall and all shots were on the turret and Boris just sat there letting it pwn me and shot me once to get the credit.


AI should be an adjunct, not be better then you.  

And now, for the rest of the story......

@DeepSixxxx

Turret should be removed from game in current useless state or modified into a paintball shooting device that splatters enemy soldiers in red paint as they do not have the ability to do damage anymore, let alone kill a player with even half health.

It is YOUR job to kill the player, not the turret.  It pointed, shot and ID'd the player.  If that is not enough for you to kill them, you should try another FPS

The fact that Boris turret could only mark one player at a time, and the Casper drone can mark a hundred of players a minute leads me to believe the Boris turret was nerfed into oblivion due to it killing new players who have limited movement ability.

Caspers drone is destroyed with 1 shot.  Caspers drone is AA's.  Caspers drone is marked with a red dot.  Casper Drone does not have an infinite amount of ammo.

Plus Ji-Soo Paik can easily highlight a dozen players at once in bright red yet there is no turret to shoot at them, so it would seem a few players got upset because something not human killed them and Dice responded, yet again weird as the Ranger has five times the health and three times the firepower than the pre-nerf Boris turret. And if the Boris turret was so crazy over-powered, why so few Boris players with T1 skins, I've only seen a couple in hundreds of hours of gameplay...

You mean people got upset because you didnt have to play to get your ratings?   IMAGINE THAT!  Paik still has to kill you.  Has to land all her shots before you.  Has far less health then your turret did.  

That said, I guess the good news is Dice has nerfed both Angel and Boris into oblivion and made them "normal soldiers", so now only eight more to go and we can have our legacy non-specialist Battlefield franchise back. So perhaps all the super nerfing is a grand master plan to give players what they wanted in the first place???

Your beef is you cannot drop AI and have it out perform players.   Really!?  Why are you even playing if you wish the game to play for you? No AI should be more powerful then the player.  No unattended machine should operate on its own and you get credit simply because you dropped or summoned it. 

Boris and Angel are still viable.  Casper isnt.  However, this is the third nerf of a "specialist".  Further proof DICE wants VehicleField2042.

@Padding_Ur_StatsIt’s your job to not run around like a headless chicken and maybe work with a team.
If your getting blasted by the turret maybe your the problem, you see dice had this obvious concept that this is a squad based team game so let’s put a very basic scenario down for you…Nice 4 man squad come upon a turret so one member plays a decoy whilst the other player or players blast it because it can’t independently track and shoot 2 different players! This is a very basic tactic my 12 year old uses!

@emerson1975The turrets and the rangers are big mistakes from Dice. The shooting in BF needs to be done by players, not AI.

The turrets were becoming way overused and players became way to stationary when using them. We need people to move around the map not camp everywhere. I know some people say that is "COD-game-play", but in reality BF-games have always worked, by having people moving around the map and capturing flags (or at least running around killing enemies).

And being a 'headless chicken' is impossible to avoid, when turrets spots instantly and through walls and terrain - it is almost impossible the see them before they see you.

And regarding drones, the spotting in this game is totally over the top. Audio spot, spotting grenades, spotting drones, spotting turrets, spotting specialists. The spotting makes playing as infantry much less fun than it needs to be. BF4 had this issue but in 2042 it is really totally out of control. Again why do we need these "passive wallhacks", players need to use their eyes and ears (if the sound worked)...

@emerson1975If your getting blasted by the turret maybe your the problem,

Because running around a corner is a problem?  Applying this statement to other specialist nerfs,  If you're in a tank and you're blown up by a drone with C5, maybe you're the problem.  After all, all you had to do was move your tank.

you see dice had this obvious concept that this is a squad based team game so let’s put a very basic scenario down for you…

Not all of us have the convenience of having a group that cooperate.  You're presumption that this is the state of the game is a bit obtuse since there are many threads complaining that pugs do not work as a team. 

Nice 4 man squad come upon a turret so one member plays a decoy whilst the other player or players blast it because it can’t independently track and shoot 2 different players! This is a very basic tactic my 12 year old uses!

Ah the elementary simile implying I am not bright.  Let me add some facts.   I am not always preceded by a player as your 12 y/o has you running in front of him running interference.  That being said, no AI should have the full outright kill ability.  That is your 12 y/o's job, not the turret.  If your 12 y/o cannot do that, then maybe you should wait until he can play on that level.  Nerfing AI to force PLAYERS to get their kills is the right move.  The game isnt for AI, it is for players.