There is simply no support for hardcore, very little support for Portal despite its incredible potential, and some extremely critical features that span beyond just HC/Portal that need to be implemented.Currenly I'm running two portal HC rush servers every day and while it has been fun I've observed the below critical issues. These combined with other general issues have led me to end up going back and playing BF4 or other games rather than be able to really enjoy 2042. When members of my communities or those I hang around in ask me how 2042 is, I simply cannot reccomend they spend the money on it, and have to suggest they stick to BF4 or otherwise until these critical issues are resolved.For a proper HC mode issues include:No team kill limit.No full mag reload.No map if minimap is disabled.Spotting still works from vehicle seats and soflam.Can't disable 3rd view vehicles.Can't disable kill cams.Can't make snipers a 1 hit kill without making some DMR 1 hit kill.Can't disable HUD without losing friendly indicators.No clue if who killed you or who you killed was enemy or friendly. Being able to see this or customize this is important.Indirect issues related to a HC mode (emphasis on rush) include:No kill feed to notice chronic team killers on either team.No all chat for an admin to be able to better be informed of griefers on the other team.Portal admin kick and ban doesn't work sometimes for no apparent reason.Mini map when disabled takes HUD space up for no reason.Disabling HUD disables too much (particularly friendly indicators for HC). Customizing what elements of the HUD are visible would be huge for Portal and critical for HC.AI waste transport vehicles like RHIB boats. Only solution is no AI or faster respawn of vehicles. For infantry only mode this is problematic.AI with less than 100 hp tend to hide. Current work around is to increase dmg (around 170% is pretty close to bf3/4 HC) instead. You need to increase vehicle HP by the same amount unless you want vehicles to die super fast. This essentially nerfs the repair tool.An ability to disable weapons on vehicles would be great. For an infantry only mode the MAV or transport air would be nice but they have huge fire power. Same for the jeep etc. throwing a 30mm on it etc makes in unviable for infantry mode.General critical features at the very top of my and my friends lists:No ability to change teams (and in HC rush in portal it doesn't alternate teams, you are stuck on attack/defend forever)No squad management.The two above mean its impossible to play w/ more than 3 friends plus their own issues.No score board, no deaths and essentially no kill feed.No all chat (removing all chat has done absolutely nothing to curb toxicity, but it does isolate players and further kills any community feel to the game)No persistent lobbies/servers for non-portal modesArmored vehicles particularly tanks and LAV types are incredibly painful to bother using, nearly everyone in the game now has the ability to damage/disable/stun vehicles, and on top of that vehicles were nerfed with sluggish movement, easily disabled parts, very slow and what I can only assume is intentional input lag for the turret, no longer have APS compared to other modern BFs (3, 4). Basically vehicles end up playing like the more recent COD game... absolutely terrible and not fun to play or kill (I loved playing as or hunting down tanks and such in BF3/4 but can't stand to even bother with them in 2042).

@Kean_1111 What many people are after is the ability to re-create BF3/BF4 style Hardcore Rush. But it's not possible with the current Portal. Additions to logic editor doesn't really help since you can't even use the logic editor in Rush.In addition to what CriscoCube listed. I really want the RCON kind of API back (logic editor will never have as much possibilities as we could have with RCON like API). I think it's the biggest reason why BF4 is still alive. The community were able to build all kinds of cool things with it even though it was really restricted (had to use other data sources like Battlelog to get things done).Could build integrations with for example DiscordShow what map is currently being playedShow how many players are in the serverCould ping admins when there's a cheater or toxic people in the server even though admins weren't currently playing (would know to join in and spectate -> kick/ban)Could make server based leaderboards/statisticsCould build a chat bridge between the server and Discord (or website, etc.)We were able to ban (soldier and vehicle) guns even though there was no official support for it (yeah, it isn't perfect but it's good enough with the access we have)Reward players with VIP perks when they were helping out with the serverReward players with VIP perks when they completed challengesAdd ability for people to vote for the map they wanted to play onAnd a lot more stuff...Having the RCON kind API with the events currently available in the Logic editor would be a dream come true (have had so many ideas in BF4 but they would rely on player locations being available). I've been coding server management tools for BF4 for 6 years and had a lot of fun doing it. Even learned new coding languages while doing these. Would be really awesome to be able to continue it with BF2042.

I completely agree with CriscoCube, Hardcore is a major demographic of FPS players especially for battlefield. And if portal can be fixed to atleast half of these recommendations it would shift most players from bf3/4 to the new game. Hardcore is just to big of a player base to leave out.As for the chat, squad selecting, scoreboard and removal of all text chat, it has done nothing for curbing toxicity and instead killed the whole community aspect of servers. Strong community servers are what keeps players coming back and staying.

@CriscoCube I agree with this. Portal, in my opinion, is the only way that this new "Battlefield" will not follow in the footsteps of the mess that was Battlefield V.

Thanks for the response. I don't use or have twitter but perhaps I'll be forced to make an account and try as you suggested. When I say support I mean there are no existing options on portal for a hardcore rush mode that isn't extremely problematic based on the issue I highlighted here. I realize it's a work in progress which is why I want these basic features to be considered. I realize the features are basic but require considerable effort to implement but I think are critical for the game to be successful. In the current state I'd rather play older games because of these missing basic features. But I'm hopeful this game can reach its potential and my friends will join me in buying and playing it after these basics are included.

Absolutely all of this will improve the gameplay experience and quality of the game and the longevity of it as well. xfileFIN is a huge contributor to these applicaitons and other useful tools for BF4 and otherwise that contributed to the quality of the experience and longevity of the game. If support for RCON, even minimal support were provided, in conjunction with portal, this would lead to an explosion in possibilities for custom servers. Portal is so close to having SO much potential, I really hope that a few more tools like an RCON protocol become availible to make this game shine.

CriscoCube

4 years ago

Hardcore is not possible in 2042 - constructive criticism to fix this.

There is simply no support for hardcore, very little support for Portal despite its incredible potential, and some extremely critical features that span beyond just HC/Portal that need to be implemented.

Currenly I'm running two portal HC rush servers every day and while it has been fun I've observed the below critical issues. These combined with other general issues have led me to end up going back and playing BF4 or other games rather than be able to really enjoy 2042. When members of my communities or those I hang around in ask me how 2042 is, I simply cannot reccomend they spend the money on it, and have to suggest they stick to BF4 or otherwise until these critical issues are resolved.

For a proper HC mode issues include:

No team kill limit.
No full mag reload.
No map if minimap is disabled.
Spotting still works from vehicle seats and soflam.
Can't disable 3rd view vehicles.
Can't disable kill cams.
Can't make snipers a 1 hit kill without making some DMR 1 hit kill.
Can't disable HUD without losing friendly indicators.
No clue if who killed you or who you killed was enemy or friendly. Being able to see this or customize this is important.

Indirect issues related to a HC mode (emphasis on rush) include:

No kill feed to notice chronic team killers on either team.
No all chat for an admin to be able to better be informed of griefers on the other team.
Portal admin kick and ban doesn't work sometimes for no apparent reason.
Mini map when disabled takes HUD space up for no reason.
Disabling HUD disables too much (particularly friendly indicators for HC). Customizing what elements of the HUD are visible would be huge for Portal and critical for HC.
AI waste transport vehicles like RHIB boats. Only solution is no AI or faster respawn of vehicles. For infantry only mode this is problematic.
AI with less than 100 hp tend to hide. Current work around is to increase dmg (around 170% is pretty close to bf3/4 HC) instead. You need to increase vehicle HP by the same amount unless you want vehicles to die super fast. This essentially nerfs the repair tool.
An ability to disable weapons on vehicles would be great. For an infantry only mode the MAV or transport air would be nice but they have huge fire power. Same for the jeep etc. throwing a 30mm on it etc makes in unviable for infantry mode.

General critical features at the very top of my and my friends lists:

No ability to change teams (and in HC rush in portal it doesn't alternate teams, you are stuck on attack/defend forever)
No squad management.
The two above mean its impossible to play w/ more than 3 friends plus their own issues.
No score board, no deaths and essentially no kill feed.
No all chat (removing all chat has done absolutely nothing to curb toxicity, but it does isolate players and further kills any community feel to the game)
No persistent lobbies/servers for non-portal modes
Armored vehicles particularly tanks and LAV types are incredibly painful to bother using, nearly everyone in the game now has the ability to damage/disable/stun vehicles, and on top of that vehicles were nerfed with sluggish movement, easily disabled parts, very slow and what I can only assume is intentional input lag for the turret, no longer have APS compared to other modern BFs (3, 4). Basically vehicles end up playing like the more recent COD game... absolutely terrible and not fun to play or kill (I loved playing as or hunting down tanks and such in BF3/4 but can't stand to even bother with them in 2042).

discussion

45 Replies

Kean_1111
4 years ago
@CriscoCube
Not sure what you mean about "very little support" for Portal. The game just launched and they are far from tweaking / adding to it. We just got 7 more maps opened up for Portal this last Friday, some tweaks to AI, additions to the Logic Editor, etc. I agree it has potential and with the community continuing to let devs know about features they want, we could see those things come to fruition in the future.
I agree with a lot of the points you have listed and I hope to see an expansion on the options to include some of these. As far as creating "hardcore" experiences though, I guess that's defined differently with everyone as I find I can still tailor setting to make the game feel much more hardcore than in the normal modes.
With the vehicles, I use the option where you have to spawn them from the menu. There always seem to be some there for the real players to take when needed.
I'm sure you've seen what Karmakut has been doing to create a more "miilsim" experience with Portal but I have taken some of his settings to help tweak my own.
btw, if you don't know already, Justin Wiebe from Ripple Effect has been very active on Twitter interfacing with the community and Tweeting about status updates on existing issues (e.g. XP/progression) in relation to Portal. If you're not already, I would encourage you to follow here on there and even shoot some feedback his way. You never know and it's not every day we as players get the chance to have this kind of exposure with someone on the inside.
CriscoCube
4 years ago
Thanks for the response. I don't use or have twitter but perhaps I'll be forced to make an account and try as you suggested.
When I say support I mean there are no existing options on portal for a hardcore rush mode that isn't extremely problematic based on the issue I highlighted here. I realize it's a work in progress which is why I want these basic features to be considered. I realize the features are basic but require considerable effort to implement but I think are critical for the game to be successful. In the current state I'd rather play older games because of these missing basic features. But I'm hopeful this game can reach its potential and my friends will join me in buying and playing it after these basics are included.
xfileFIN
4 years ago
@Kean_1111 What many people are after is the ability to re-create BF3/BF4 style Hardcore Rush. But it's not possible with the current Portal. Additions to logic editor doesn't really help since you can't even use the logic editor in Rush.
In addition to what CriscoCube listed. I really want the RCON kind of API back (logic editor will never have as much possibilities as we could have with RCON like API). I think it's the biggest reason why BF4 is still alive. The community were able to build all kinds of cool things with it even though it was really restricted (had to use other data sources like Battlelog to get things done).
Could build integrations with for example Discord
Show what map is currently being played
Show how many players are in the server
Could ping admins when there's a cheater or toxic people in the server even though admins weren't currently playing (would know to join in and spectate -> kick/ban)
Could make server based leaderboards/statistics
Could build a chat bridge between the server and Discord (or website, etc.)
We were able to ban (soldier and vehicle) guns even though there was no official support for it (yeah, it isn't perfect but it's good enough with the access we have)
Reward players with VIP perks when they were helping out with the server
Reward players with VIP perks when they completed challenges
Add ability for people to vote for the map they wanted to play on
And a lot more stuff...
Having the RCON kind API with the events currently available in the Logic editor would be a dream come true (have had so many ideas in BF4 but they would rely on player locations being available). I've been coding server management tools for BF4 for 6 years and had a lot of fun doing it. Even learned new coding languages while doing these. Would be really awesome to be able to continue it with BF2042.
0MINOUS
4 years ago
@CriscoCube I agree with this. Portal, in my opinion, is the only way that this new "Battlefield" will not follow in the footsteps of the mess that was Battlefield V.
Gooftroopero
4 years ago
I completely agree with CriscoCube, Hardcore is a major demographic of FPS players especially for battlefield. And if portal can be fixed to atleast half of these recommendations it would shift most players from bf3/4 to the new game. Hardcore is just to big of a player base to leave out.
As for the chat, squad selecting, scoreboard and removal of all text chat, it has done nothing for curbing toxicity and instead killed the whole community aspect of servers. Strong community servers are what keeps players coming back and staying.
CriscoCube
4 years ago
Absolutely all of this will improve the gameplay experience and quality of the game and the longevity of it as well. xfileFIN is a huge contributor to these applicaitons and other useful tools for BF4 and otherwise that contributed to the quality of the experience and longevity of the game. If support for RCON, even minimal support were provided, in conjunction with portal, this would lead to an explosion in possibilities for custom servers. Portal is so close to having SO much potential, I really hope that a few more tools like an RCON protocol become availible to make this game shine.
Armored_Girafz
4 years ago
@CriscoCube has mentioned most of the issues I have with 2042 at the moment. The only thing that comes to mind to request is the rules editor for modes other than TDM and FFA. I would also love to adjust damage profiles for each gun individually.
BGHFlakjacket
4 years ago
I like to play HC only. Dice butchered the mode in BF1 and BF5.....after playing HC mode in BF1, it was clear Dice had no idea what they were doing. Instead of copying the mode from BF4, they just spun in circles and the end result was unplayable. I will not play 2042 unless there are dedicated HC servers and even then, there is a better HC game called Hell Let Lose I am waiting to try out.
I have been watching 2042 gameplay and the "dorito shooting" seems the easiest way to identify a target. And the wing suits are just idiotic IMO. I do not wish this game to fail, but with all the gadgets and lack of HC, I will not be buying it. I hate it when Dice releases a full game and has the fans Beta test it for months before it runs right.
Grandnightchamp
4 years ago
Honestly it seems like they hate the hardcore player base. It’s always something can’t find a server, or there’s no progression then they limit progression.

Look at battlefield 5 they tried everything they could not to put in a hardcore mode it took over 2 years.
With all this no progression it’s just made it super boring there is nothing to look forward too. I think I’ll just go back to Enlisted and HLL. It makes me sick to see where this franchise has gone.
CriscoCube
4 years ago
When I heard there was no hardcore for BF5, I never bothered even trying it out, so I am with you on that. It just seems a bit crazy that Portal, which is advertiszed as "your battlefield" and all that, doesn't allow for a proper hardcore rush mode due to all the issues I listed above. Some of those issues could be alleviated if we could use the logic editor for rush, but a few variables/config options would still be mssing.