Long time Engi player and I’m usually one of the only guys that goes AA an entire match playing 2042. Infantry in 2042 exist as fodder for vehicles. Every single Conquest match has too many mobile Death Stars farming infantry the entire match. Fight, scrap and use every single ounce of gaming experience to take down a single airframe only to have two more takeits place. In previous BF games many maps would only have 2 or 3 TOTAL heavy land or ground vehicles tops. In 2042 is max number of vehicles every match with ZERO forethought put into how vehicles effect the infantry game depending on the terrain of each map. The 2042 team has even managed to somehow bring this poison to Classic BF maps by adding 2 Hind and 2 Condor for 2042 Conquest gamemodes on these very small maps. Maps way too small for so many vehicles. The lack of forethought put into these design decisions is worrisome. These mind boggling design decisions are being made by developers that obviously don’t play much as infantry in their own game. I challenge the Devs to spend a weekend playing as infantry only and see first hand how they’ll get farmed by Hinds and Condors even if they dedicate every minute of game play to anti aircraft builds.

First off, I have over 200 hours in 2042, I have over 1500 hours collectively across all Battlefields. I consider myself a decent pilot, not a pro but skilled enough to know when something is broken or unbalanced and the Hind/Condors are definitely unbalanced.It's quite evident that there's vehicle weapon disparities, such as between the 50mm cannon that can be equipped on the Light Recon Vehicle and the very same 50mm cannon that can be equipped on the Hind/Condor. Immediately you will notice the 50mm cannon on the Light Recon Vehicle reloads far slower, has a far smaller ammo count and deals less damage overall and rewards only precise and direct hits. Now, contrast this to the 50mm cannon on the Hind/Condor, this cannon reloads way to fast, it has enough ammo to fight continuously without needing downtime to replenish ammo and deals significant amounts of damage to all types of targets and has a large amount of splash damage. The effective range of the 50mm cannon is also way too good, the thing shoots lasers across the map with almost no drop off.The miniguns are simply like little Anti-Air/Anti-Infantry Cannons. They perform way too well in all given scenarios, they have the range of Anti-Air vehicles and the spread of a Sniper rifle. This is abhorrent to the very idea of a transport vehicle, no weapon on a transport vehicle should be so good that it can outclass entire groups of targets. Take the MAV for instance, it has many different weapon choices that all excel at very specific target types, with the main weapon being a balanced all rounder.The Tanky HP of the Hind/Condor combined with the firepower I've detailed makes it the King of the skies, unrivalled by other air vehicles even if they're skilled or not, the OP Miniguns and 50mm Cannons outclass the other vehicle types. The Hind also has a noticeable advantage over the Condor when it comes to verticality so the Hind for the most part, rules the skies.You can't have both, Air Dominance and Tanky Support coming out of one vehicle. You need to pick, is the Hind/Condor going to be a Tanky Support, used to transport infantry with low firepower, or is the Hind/Condor going to be an Attack Vehicle with lower HP. Because right now, it's both an attack vehicle and a transport vehicle and that's a massive problem.A simple solution would be to do the following:Increase Minigun spread.Increase Minigun overheat speed by at least a 1/3.Halve Minigun range.Replace the 50mm Cannon with the 50mm Cannon that's found on the Light Recon Vehicle, and then further increase the firing delay.Halve the Hind/Condor 50mm Cannon range or significantly increase drop off distance. As it stand now, you can't have both the tanky nature and powerhouse that is these flying snipers. Please DICE/EA make the appropriate nerfs that this transport vehicle needs to actually be a transport vehicle and not both an attack vehicle and a transport vehicle. You don't see MAVs going up against tanks and winning outright so why is this happening with the Hind/Condor and Jets?Something is absolutely broken and anyone who says it's not must substantiate why the Recon Vehicle has such a weak 50mm Cannon in comparison.

@Straatford87can we just get rid of it? 2 gunners should be enough to protect transport + more space to use it as transport + less motivation to sit forever inside the transport and deny someone else spawning point.P.S. please look also into season badge not counting progress.

@AdamonicIt’s the whole “if you wanted to sabotage your own game, what would you do” thing where DICE seems to go out of their way to do the worst thing imaginable.In all seriousness it’s obvious these mind boggling decisions are being made by individuals that don’t actually play Battlefield 2042. This is where a community manager should be giving Devs weekly update on the most pressing issues players are experiencing as well as what players want to see.Seeing ZERO communication or interaction from anyone at DIcE in these forums, I have little hope.

@Straatford87 wrote:Hey folks, I can confirm that we're looking into balance tuning for the MV38-Condor's 50mm Cannon Pod. We'll give more details in upcoming Update Notes.There's no need for balance just remove it, the 50mm cannon has no place on the Condor or the Super Hind. Easy fix is to replace it with another minigun pod. since they are transport vehicles. If this change is implemented I wont even be mad about the godly armor they have. 3 minigunners should be enough to cover the solders. And why it takes so long for this to be "balanced", do you guys even play on the live servers to see the impact of these mini deathstars? Srsly it's been 8 months+.

@SPARTAN_SAV10R wrote:Please DO NOT nerf the Condor or Hind's 50 MM cannon. I usually am running with a well communicating heli squad and when we work together we still have to deal with Soflams, AA, Rao Hacks and TV missiles, not to mention any AA vehicle or other aircraft in the sky. We only do well when we're all communicating with each other using teamwork. Rando's who come in to Fly or Gun make it rough experience in the heli - When a lone infantry user comes to take us out they'll have a tough time. But if a squad comes together to focus fire then they can easily take us out. The squad effort required to succeed in the equals the squad effort to take us out.....please don't nerf, it's already balanced!"Rando's who come in to Fly or Gun make it rough experience in the heli - When a lone infantry user comes to take us out they'll have a tough time. But if a squad comes together to focus fire then they can easily take us out. "God forbid people use the TRANSPORT HELICOPTER to spawn while you're busy using it like a flying tankI won't say more because I'll end up getting banned, people like you make my blood boil

Hind and Condor dominate every game mode.

127 Replies

Air-iSkywalker
4 years ago
@Psychopski this is cause EA DICE reduced the total of vehicles number to just 1 air attack... I warned too many times about this would happen, reducing the total of vehicles number to 1 it would allow Super hind and Condor makes spawn kill to the infantry without anybody could to stop them. I have too many tickets open about this since too long ago when EA DICE started to nerfing the total of vehicles numbers 😉 WELCOME TO BATTLECLONES 2042 OR WARZONE 2042 anyways
Air-iSkywalker
4 years ago
@Psychopski this is caused because of infantry, they just were complaining everyday about the vehicles and EA DICE took the bad decision reducing the vehicles numbers thinking that this it would bring the balance but they were wrong. if there not vehicles that can stop to the super hind o condor theres not any chance. But You can keep complaining yourself about vehicles maybe EA DICE remove deffinitevely to ZERO vehicles to bring the balance
protoman23
4 years ago
@Psychopski wrote:
Long time Engi player and I’m usually one of the only guys that goes AA an entire match playing 2042.

Infantry in 2042 exist as fodder for vehicles. Every single Conquest match has too many mobile Death Stars farming infantry the entire match. Fight, scrap and use every single ounce of gaming experience to take down a single airframe only to have two more take
its place.

In previous BF games many maps would only have 2 or 3 TOTAL heavy land or ground vehicles tops. In 2042 is max number of vehicles every match with ZERO forethought put into how vehicles effect the infantry game depending on the terrain of each map.

The 2042 team has even managed to somehow old Classic BF maps by adding 2 Hind and 2 Condor for 2042 Conquest game
modes on these very small maps. Maps way too small for so many vehicles. The lack of forethought put into these poor decisions is truly unbelievable. These mind boggling design decisions are being made by developers that obviously don’t play much as infantry in their own game.
Conquest by design lends itself to infantry easily getting farmed by air. Players are spread out and you only have a few players contesting a point. This makes it easy for ace pilots and decent gunners to mop up infantry. The only way to fix this problem would be for Dice to increase the number of aircraft slots. I'd even make the argument moving the bolte to the armored vehicle slot took away one of the AA tools that at least gave infantry a chance to provide pressure using the 30mm canon.
SleepyWeasel68
4 years ago
To be honest, all they need to do is extend the lock on range. A bit of my grief is the stealth chopper. It’s a joke. How can you visibly see the thing and not be able to get a lock on. Like the skin is made from unobtainium and it’s impervious to such things.
Psychopski
4 years ago
@protoman23 in Previous BF titles many maps had static guns where players could engage air. They also had AI AA in the spawns to keep air campers out of your spawn. None of the above exist in 2042.

In addition in previous BF games the Devs put some forethought into which types of vehicles and how many vehicles would appropriate for each map depending on terrain. In 2042 they just shove the max number of vehicles into every map regardless.
Ai-Fluffy
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
That is nonsense.

The VAST majority of helis are just looking to up their k/d against inf.

They rarely fight each other.

Just had yet another game with a heli going 70+ kills and dominating the map.

The number of vehicles makes no difference.

The stealth heli is currently near untouchable.
SgtHL
4 years ago
The problem is they made Hinds and Condors flying tanks. They can literally take damage like they had armor like a 65 ton tank. There is also a total lack of damagemodels, it´s all about the buckets of hp and where you hit doesnt matter. It´s just unbelievably bad game-design and straight out lazy by the developers.
S3SSioN_SoL
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
First off, I have over 200 hours in 2042, I have over 1500 hours collectively across all Battlefields. I consider myself a decent pilot, not a pro but skilled enough to know when something is broken or unbalanced and the Hind/Condors are definitely unbalanced.
It's quite evident that there's vehicle weapon disparities, such as between the 50mm cannon that can be equipped on the Light Recon Vehicle and the very same 50mm cannon that can be equipped on the Hind/Condor. Immediately you will notice the 50mm cannon on the Light Recon Vehicle reloads far slower, has a far smaller ammo count and deals less damage overall and rewards only precise and direct hits. Now, contrast this to the 50mm cannon on the Hind/Condor, this cannon reloads way to fast, it has enough ammo to fight continuously without needing downtime to replenish ammo and deals significant amounts of damage to all types of targets and has a large amount of splash damage. The effective range of the 50mm cannon is also way too good, the thing shoots lasers across the map with almost no drop off.
The miniguns are simply like little Anti-Air/Anti-Infantry Cannons. They perform way too well in all given scenarios, they have the range of Anti-Air vehicles and the spread of a Sniper rifle. This is abhorrent to the very idea of a transport vehicle, no weapon on a transport vehicle should be so good that it can outclass entire groups of targets. Take the MAV for instance, it has many different weapon choices that all excel at very specific target types, with the main weapon being a balanced all rounder.
The Tanky HP of the Hind/Condor combined with the firepower I've detailed makes it the King of the skies, unrivalled by other air vehicles even if they're skilled or not, the OP Miniguns and 50mm Cannons outclass the other vehicle types. The Hind also has a noticeable advantage over the Condor when it comes to verticality so the Hind for the most part, rules the skies.
You can't have both, Air Dominance and Tanky Support coming out of one vehicle.
You need to pick, is the Hind/Condor going to be a Tanky Support, used to transport infantry with low firepower, or is the Hind/Condor going to be an Attack Vehicle with lower HP. Because right now, it's both an attack vehicle and a transport vehicle and that's a massive problem.
A simple solution would be to do the following:
Increase Minigun spread.
Increase Minigun overheat speed by at least a 1/3.
Halve Minigun range.
Replace the 50mm Cannon with the 50mm Cannon that's found on the Light Recon Vehicle, and then further increase the firing delay.
Halve the Hind/Condor 50mm Cannon range or significantly increase drop off distance.
As it stand now, you can't have both the tanky nature and powerhouse that is these flying snipers. Please DICE/EA make the appropriate nerfs that this transport vehicle needs to actually be a transport vehicle and not both an attack vehicle and a transport vehicle. You don't see MAVs going up against tanks and winning outright so why is this happening with the Hind/Condor and Jets?
Something is absolutely broken and anyone who says it's not must substantiate why the Recon Vehicle has such a weak 50mm Cannon in comparison.
Twordy
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@S3SSioN_SoL Hind/Condor is basically an Aerial Tank.

My solution:
- Remove the third 50mm Gunner Permanently. Leave a spotters position only. Then buff slightly miniguns on both sides.
- Decrease Hinds/Condor health by at least 30%. Make internal repairs faster by 15% then.

- Optionally remove auto-repairs. Create 2-3 functional Airstrips/Landing areas in the same manner as in BF2. Players could then resupply and repair aerial vehicles really fast. Hovering all the time with unlimited ammo is OP and breaks immersion. Knowledge of the game mechanics should be praised and benefit players, not the happy trigger. Aerial vehicles are completely broken. The infantry has a really hard time. Assign only certain vehicles to a specific map same as in previous BFs- 2 Hinds on one side with an attack chopper is a huge pathology on 64-player maps. Jets should be placed in a separate category.
ATFGunr
Legend
4 years ago
@S3SSioN_SoLI agree with lots of what you said, and use a Hind as an air superiority weapon regularly. I don’t agree with the verticality comment. Having hunted many condors, they can out climb and have a higher max altitude than the Hind. Once it descends the Hind will own him on maneuvering, but vertically the Condor has an advantage. It also sucks that the pilot gets squat besides passenger kills, if you beat up the map for a whole round it should be worth more than 9k points. The Condor and Hind need a nerf that’s for sure. It needs to keep its health so it can still transport troops into a hot LZ, but it’s weapons could be nerfed without taking away its purpose.