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Re: Pretty convinced that SBMM in 2042 is real

I've been convinced of this for awhile now. I saw the same thing when Tor tank was first released and I had many back-to-back rounds with 50+ K/D before people figured out how to deal with it. I went back to playing infantry and was put in some seriously sweaty lobbies for awhile after that.

I also noticed when I was grouped with a friend who was a brand new player and quite bad, the enemy felt like bots.

SBMM has been in the game since BFV. Chris from Battlenonsense had some trusted connections with DICE devs (enough that he got additional network stats added to the game for tshooting). And he confirmed they did add it to BFV. I trust his source.

And I'm not talking about the misuse of the term for team balancer. It's been getting slowly more agressive over time. The reason it was barely noticable in BFV, is because most people didn't use the matchmaker and player population was so low, it didn't matter.

Why do you think DICE is so insistent on ignoring the demand for a AoW server browser? I wouldn't be at all surpised if they are also testing DDA. DICE is completely silent on these topics. Ask yourself why.

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  • UP_LordPlumber's avatar
    UP_LordPlumber
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @DigitalHype Exactly. I knew from the beginning why the server browser was absent from BF2042. And overall balance during matches proved it. Everything was constructed, slower paced, and "artificial".

    Around before Season 4 dropped, something changed with MM. Waiting times got longer, and the match balance also got worse. I've begun noticing more and more lopsided games with 600+ point differences. Seems like they're cooking up something
  • fragnstein's avatar
    fragnstein
    3 years ago
    @DigitalHype BFV had a server browser. How can you do sbmm with a server browser? Unless you are referring to the quick match button, which many figured out quickly that it will put you in a lobby alone
  • UP_LordPlumber's avatar
    UP_LordPlumber
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    @DigitalHypeIf you wanted even more proof, here are some of the players I went up against today, and some were on my squad. Pretty hilarious how suddenly I went from farming, to going against some no lifers. One was even S999, I lold so hard.

    There were even more I didn't take a screenshot off during first game, but there were more S500+

  • DigitalHype's avatar
    DigitalHype
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    @fragnsteinYes, I'm refering to the quick join options in BFV. I commented about that in my response. The matchmaking and SBMM was present there. It only worked at game launch or on console where the player numbers were high enough. Because the quick join was a much larger front-page option there were enough using it.

    But after the player population dipped and most PC players were using the server browser, the quick launch was dead and SBMM wasn't happening. In fact, Chris commented about this and how DICE didn't really want people to using the server browser for this very reason.

    I knew that this iteration of BF would remove the server browser. I even predicted it back in the old forums that the next BF wouldn't have one. The writing has bene on the wall for this since BF1. They had been slowly making the server browser worse after BF4 by removing features and making it less and less prominent and more cumbersome in the UI.

  • Moab23's avatar
    Moab23
    3 years ago

    Since the Steam freebie went out I've seen countless rank 15-20 blitzing everybody. One player was constantly averaging over 70 kills on foot in back to back matches. Pretty sure they weren't legit to be honest, they'd instantly find you playing as Zain, and withstand vehicle fire. Then as I predicted seconds before hand as I'm tearing through enemy ranks, they were going to be the one who showed up with explosives. Sure enough, there they appear, right next to the vehicle. Straps explosive to it, detonates right next to themselves without dying. Vehicle survived, but I bailed to take him out. He's getting shot by three players plus me, in the open, less than 15m away. Manages to tank all that gunfire to one shot me through smoke and then gets killed. When a player is outpacing vehicle score on foot, and they're a new player, suspicions quickly start to rise. I've noticed this with a lot of low rank players who pull off perfect shots on occupants of moving vehicles. Spawned into a Condor side seat yesterday and within half a second, as its swinging around, a rank 15 takes my head off. 

    Really makes me think the reason I'm being matched with these people is because they're performing way beyond what their rank suggests their experience is. Ergo, illegitimate. Their activities would back that up. 

  • Yes SBMM is in this game and if you are level 50 and below you have an advantage almost like you have no bloom or spread your weapons'

  • Yes SBMM is in this game and if you are level 50 and below you have an advantage almost like you have no bloom or spread. Now they gave playstation freebies a beamer pass, have fun getting wrecked by noobs at a unfair advantage

  • UP_LordPlumber's avatar
    UP_LordPlumber
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @k4jdob2kktpl I've got to say, sometimes I feel as if this is true.

    I swear to god it sometimes feels like new players suddenly have some kind of advantage because ever since Steam FreeToPlay and sale kicked off, alog with PS+, I've been losing 1v1s for some bolox reasons.

    And I cannot call these players any "good". They still have potato score and k/d, yet sometimes they just point their gun at me and I die.

    With the absurd amounts of shady patents companies such as EA and Activision have been filing, I won't won't be surprised if people below certain rank got some kind of server advantages.

  • DigitalHype's avatar
    DigitalHype
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    @k4jdob2kktpl wrote:

    Yes SBMM is in this game and if you are level 50 and below you have an advantage almost like you have no bloom or spread your weapons'


    That isn't SBMM. That is DDA (Dynamic Difficult Adjustment). Which I also believe DICE is experimenting with here.

  • Moab23's avatar
    Moab23
    3 years ago

    @UP_LordPlumber I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice this. For me, I'd frequently find players under the rank of 80 were just obliterating myself and others with ease, while I was able to take out S200+ with relative ease. Same for players on low rank being the best snipers in the game.

  • Moab23's avatar
    Moab23
    3 years ago

    In that round alone we had multiple lower rank enemy players just blasting through people like its nothing. A rank 80 went over 70 kills back to back on foot. Instantly locating people for one, so I doubt they were fully legit to begin with, but they were taking me out at like 40m with three 12M buckshot rounds at full health. Others in the rank 15 range are popping heads off instantly, or just absorbing full mags of RM68 to the face. Its ridiculous. But the other thing is all of the enemy low ranks perform like seasoned players while the ones on my team can barely function. 

    In that match a rank 7 ended up topping the enemy team and was just walking through everyone. But this is like four straight matches where despite both teams having low rank players, only the enemy team seems to function as a team. My vehicles get bombarded instantly but enemy vehicles are roaming around, even parking up right next to flags without being hit. 

    Another low ranker going over 80 kills, above everyone else but 20 kills minimum. I've no idea where they're actually finding all the targets to shoot. 

    Same low ranker, this time on my team, going over 90 kills. 30 kills over my final. Rank 29, clearly aimbotting. They're getting like 15 kills per minute. 

  • scanerboy's avatar
    scanerboy
    3 years ago

    Yeah it's quite obvious now with more players. I quit playing cod cause of too strong SBMM

  • Whether or not there is dynamic nerfing/buffing of weapon spread, skill-based matchmaking or whatever, the game has been an utter mess this last week. Tonight has been basically unplayable.

  • sk1lld's avatar
    sk1lld
    Legend
    3 years ago

    I've wondered about this, and a couple of things make me think this could be correct. It wouldn't surprise me if it was true.

  • There is definitely something to this. I'm noticing it with very low rank players having almost no recoil on things like the DMRs. Always land two shots in rapid succession, regardless of movement, with bare bones attachments. DM7 was atrocious to use minus attachments. Others are straight up tanking automatic fire and then instantly killing you. One got dropped to 15hp and then stood right next to my cluster grenade without being killed by it. Its like its boosting their accuracy, damage, and survivability. 

  • sk1lld's avatar
    sk1lld
    Legend
    3 years ago

    If this is true, then I feel they will continue to use it in all upcoming titles. I have a bad feeling.

  • NazT55's avatar
    NazT55
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    I mean getting killed by some random enemy out of ho where and what seems like getting killed from behind cover or what seems to be 1 or 2 hits is not fun.  And for them to add SBMM it just gets frustrating to play.  Not sure who makes these decisions but do they even play the game?

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