The most overpowered things are not ingame assets

I believe that this things are Knowledge and Passion while their opposites are Ignorance and Apathy.

Knowledge:

Understanding what the entire arsenal of the game (guns, specialists, gadgets, vehicles, vehicle customization) does is a huge advantage.

I swear that very few people understand that the LATV jeep has the option of a REALLY powerfull mid range AA cannon that can take a huge chunk out of the health of a Hind ( I would say it hits them harder than the 30mm of the Wildcat).

This is the one part that DICE is also to blame on this and older titles, there is no comprehensive tutorial on what everything we can use is and how it works. At best people need to find out on their own, at worst, people need to find third party sources to realize that X is stronger than Y in a situation (like in the case of the now nerfed number 4 buckshot cartridges.

Sadly too many players seem ignorant of the tools at their disposal

Passion:

In this context I use passion as a term opposite to apathy. I believe that ideally a player should be passionate about victory. To me this means that they should be willing to adapt to the situation in order to gain the upper hand.

If there is a choke-point with a high death toll, they should be focusing on reviving or finding a flanking route.

If the team has a valuable vehicle, people should repair it if they can as well as to attack those who try to destroy it.

If the other team has a bothersome vehicle, people should be trying to overwhelm it with everything they got, be it grenades, rockets, underbarell nades, c5, mines, EMP, rao hack and of course other vehicles.

Yet as there are always so many people who will stubbornly continue do their own chosen thing without a care about the other players, they would even step over someone they could revive. They will be apathetic about both the plight of their team and the main threats.

Of course this is nothing new, sources say that many players were always playing like this even back on the first games of the series like BF1942 and BF2. this is where varios derogatory terms for bad snipers started being used.

I wonder... are we doomed to almost always experience the BF games in a less than optimal way?

I am shocked each time that some stranger on my team actually shows competence at something other than running and gunning. Tonight someone else spawned on the gunner seat of the LATV I was driving to take down the hind, to my shock, instead of randomly shooting at the butterflies and rocks, the gunner actually went for the Hind and took it out! I really had to praise them after that.

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17 Replies

Lady_One
New Ace
2 years ago
@UP_Hawxxeye I don't think it's purely a lack of knowledge, more a complete unwillingness to learn or a complete lack of understanding altogether. I'm fairly confident a large chunk of the playerbase is 11 year olds for which the game is way beyond comprehension, and 61 year olds who are way beyond caring to learn new things.

I have seen this a lot when driving my MAV and Brawler with the 25mm APDS.

The 25mm on the brawler looks explosive - big cannon, big projectile, but in practice has almost no splash. Though it can 1shot infantry on direct hits. Fair enough, people will shoot it a couple of times at infantry. However, continuously shooting it at infantry every chance you get, not doing any damage, and only stopping when you run out is a clear unwillingness to learn. This isn't just a single salvo of all 8 shots, I've had gunners do this for many many engagements, think 30+ shots fired. Even if they didn't know they can switch to an LMG, you'd imagine they'd stop shooting at infantry when the gun doesn't work?

Similar for the MAV, I have 2 frequent anecdotes.
One is old - in the distant past, the MAV's main gun, the one that has an HMG and a 40mm autocannon, would default to the 40mm. The result was that people never used the HMG even though the UI shows it's there. DICE changed this so the HMG is 1st, and since then people started to switch more often.

2nd frequent thing I see, and related to the last one though, is that HMG. I've seen people shooting the HMG at tanks. Many times. They do not get hitmarkers for this, they do not deal damage, there is no prone dude repairing the tank, and they do it on multiple occasions after the first, so it's not a slow-to-switch issue either. They're shooting bullets at a tank. Everyone knows you can't shoot bullets at a tank... Right? It's scary to imagine that the people doing this might not be children.
BownrInSweatPanz
Seasoned Veteran
2 years ago
@UP_Hawxxeye I think part of the problem is Methods of teamwork is either not rewarded enough, not well designed or viable, or not known about to most player. Such examples are SOFLAM as a whole system that is both full of bugs and has little incentives to use.

Angel's loadout crate is an example that few players know how to use because it's not well shown that's his ability, because it does not show up on the gadget slot as a toggleable gadget, only in tooltips (which can be disabled)
If Irish players know how to use his 2 gadgets, how come angel players can't figure out how to call and use the crates (when applicable)

To solve this issue, They have to redesign how to activate his loadout crate, meaning changing binds. It would be advisable to also change the ease of use for other players to use the crate, such as allowing it to refill ammo in a radius like a regular ammo crate, and press interact key to change loadout, since it's not differentiated you can hold or press to refill/ change loadout.
sk1lld
Legend
2 years ago
@Lady_One wrote:
@UP_Hawxxeye 61 year olds who are way beyond caring to learn new things.

Why'd you have to go there!
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@UP_HawxxeyeWith your example of the LATV, it's not very effective from my experience. The range is worthless when I last tried it. Dice is always playing around with balancing, and not in a good way. They're all over the place at times. The Wildcat should be the king of AA, and anything that flies should be absolutely terrified of it. It should be that way at launch until the game gets phased out. That's a problem when people are trying to learn what's effective and what isn't. I think it's less of an individual problem, and more of a bad design issue.

The whole design philosophy for balancing is just a mess. Infantry should be for taking objectives. Vehicles should not have access to the flags, but they should be for patrolling around them to aid the infantry in capturing points. Air vehicles are a novelty. They're there to fight each other first and foremost, and then they should be an annoyance at best to ground vehicles. It should be a tedious chore for them to farm infantry. That's how things should be balanced in order to make it the most enjoyable experience for the majority of players. If you want to farm with a helicopter or jet, go find a single player game, sorry. The game plays a thousand times better without attack aircraft.

The problem I see with Dice, and a lot of other developers at the moment, is that they just throw a bunch of stuff at the wall and see what sticks. It's not a carefully designed game from top to bottom. Throw in stuff, something is way out of balance, nerf the living hell out of that, buff something else... it's just chaos in my opinion.
Lady_One
New Ace
2 years ago
@sk1lldSadly I sometimes see this mentality in way more important things, like not wanting to learn basic english for your job. Feels pretty disheartening, some people have given up on the world, they're going to die any second now, why bother... Keep working the thing you know until it all ends.
This could also be my country's aging population though.
sk1lld
Legend
2 years ago
@Lady_One wrote:
@sk1lldSadly I sometimes see this mentality in way more important things, like not wanting to learn basic english for your job. Feels pretty disheartening, some people have given up on the world, they're going to die any second now, why bother... Keep working the thing you know until it all ends.
This could also be my country's aging population though.
Are you for real? someone over 61 is going to die any second. You're sick!
frekwalda1
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@sk1lld Well i am there in age being playing PC games since Quake and I am always learning new things, keeps the brain healthy. Still building my own PC after all these years, screen is alot bigger now 49" curve, reflexives slowing down, arthritis always acting up. But still fun
sk1lld
Legend
2 years ago
@frekwalda1

Yeah, I was in my late 40's when BF1942 came out, pre ordered it. Played the hell out of it.

Reflex's slowing down here also but still keeping up. And having fun also.
Lady_One
New Ace
2 years ago
@sk1lld Hey man, I don't mean it personally, it is just my experience. If you're still feeling fresh, maybe you're going for morning jogs even if you're running slower, still learning new things, that's pretty good for you, keep healthy and don't give up on life!
BownrInSweatPanz
Seasoned Veteran
2 years ago
@RaginSam The AA gun on a LATV was an example of DICE trying to compromise With the removal of the 30mm and 50mm guns because people often used it as a Form of AA in BT or when a wildcat was not available. But because it was both OP and heavily went against what a Light Transport is meant to be, they were replaced by HMGs and the AA gun.

I'd say the AA gun isn't even a problem since it deals NO infantry damage at all, and is risky but somewhat effective to harrass or deter helis.

The issue is no one is wiling to compromise between air and ground assets and what is balanced or fair to use, each side often wants changes without considering what others would see that changed be like.