4 years ago

Well other than some QOL improvements the gameplay is now worse... well done

Vehicle combat is broken:
1) Forcing littlebirds into the air attack category and then upping the cooldown on air attack vehicles is asinine
2) Condors/Hinds dominate everything now
3) Jets are still broken and OP against ground vehicles

The quantity of air vehicles on 128 player maps was fine as it was, they just needed balancing in terms of effectiveness vs certain targets.

This is the same thing that has happened to other games when the lowest common denominators crying was put at the top of the pile when it came to adjustments, just like the last patch with attack helio nerfs - attack helios are probably the easiest air vehicle to kill and yet they needed to be nerfed...

If in a group of 128 players cant have a handful of people willing to run stingers / M5's that is the teams problem not the community issue. The changes to gameplay when it comes to vehicles is just catering to the lowest common denominator who wants to run around in a battlefield game like its COD and not have to work with their team.

That isn't what battlefield was about and never has been. Why is it so difficult to balance vehicle damage/health like they were in BFBC2/ BF3 / BF4 when this game franchise wasn't half baked?

Other stupid stuff that hasnt been fixed:
- Still cant differentiate between attack and transport helios on the map
- Sundance is still stupidly broken in the hands of anyone who plays objectives and her wingsuit needs to be put on a cooldown.
- No official ranked hardcore mode, saying its too easy to level up weapons is absurd when you can level them up vs AI
- Rifles, SMGs, Shotguns with less bullet drop over distance than some sniper rifles
- Still no increase to small mobility vehicles like old games had to get between objectives

- Cant turn off KILLCAM for hardcore servers still?

discussion

35 Replies

SpudBug
4 years ago
@Necromantion The condor/hind was always the true problem. People only complained about nightbirds because there were too many on breakthrough 128 and they farmed infantry that was defending.

They could have fixed that problem without throwing off what was a pretty good balance in 128 conquest but they made the change to both.
Necromantion
4 years ago
@SpudBug I feel like at least for normal mode (which ill be objective about despite preferring hardcore like it used to be) things were somewhat ok with 128 and 64 player game modes prior to this.

Some slight vehicle tweaks in terms of damage vs targets, a bit more variation with attachments, gun balancing around handling and bullet drop, spawn points on a few map objectives and some buffs/ nerfs to various specialists would have brought this game in line along with small UI/QOL changes.

But now the dev team has done the usual overkill and huge alteration BS to facets of gameplay that has made it even worse.
AngrySquid270
4 years ago
BC2 and BF4 Helis were balanced?
I still have nightmares of circle strafing helis and 50-0 Little Birds.
Also get out of here with that 'lowest common denominator' nonsense.
Pilots can say 'infantry should just counter with XYZ' the problem is that they don't. Games need to be balanced based on how players ACTUALLY play the game - not some idealistic notions on how people SHOULD play the game.
People choose playstyles/tactics based on what's fun. If the ideal way to counter helis isn't fun people aren't going to play that way.
Necromantion
4 years ago
Helios in bc2 and bf3 were easy to kill, tag them by some means then kill them with a rocket.

You literally just said "I should have the game cater to me if i want to play it this way" that is exactly what im talking about. This game franchise is ruined like individuals like yourself who don't want this to be battlefield.

Its simple to counter helis and if people dont want to its their issue, not the devs having to cater to nitwits who cant be bothered to soflam or get a stinger out then swap back to another kit at a supply crate
AngrySquid270
4 years ago
I think you and I have different ideas of what the word 'literally' means.
Sincerely,
The lowest common denominator nitwit who's destroying the franchise
Necromantion
4 years ago
"Literally" is used informally for emphasis on something.

Good old red herring
TAW_Rinko
4 years ago
@Necromantion wrote:

Its simple to counter helis and if people dont want to its their issue, not the devs having to cater to nitwits who cant be bothered to soflam or get a stinger out then swap back to another kit at a supply crate
It's very difficult for a single player to take out a helicopter. It takes a bit of teamwork. Admittedly, its basic stuff for any half decent team, but its still team work.
Prior to 0.4 there was no voip, no way in game to coordinate things. Furthermore, as Dice have clearly made the decision to push organized players away in favor of solo play, many groups of organized players have left.
You're quite correct inasmuch as taking out a helicopter is relatively straight forward, but dead wrong when you try to absolve Dice devs of any responsibility for the issue. If they hadn't chosen to drive teams away, there wouldn't be much of an issue.
Psubond
4 years ago
@Necromantion the only people i see angry about the nightbird going to attack are the nightbird mains. guess they will have to learn to be taxi drivers and let the gunners get the kills. or learn to share but vehicle mains aren't known for that trait.
Necromantion
4 years ago
@TAW_Rinko This is how vehicles have been in every battlefield game, every vehicle is like that and always has been.

Unless youre playing hardcore even a jeep takes two rockets to destroy.
Padding_Ur_Stat
4 years ago
Ground vehicles still OP against Ground Troops.
See what I did there?
Air support is supposed to have a great advantage against armor. Just like armor is supposed to have a great advantage against ground.    That is the nature of R/P/S
It takes 4 Recoils/AA to destroy armor from the ground.   Consider most armor vehicles camp starting points outside of missile range unloading on the map, (or they just outrun and LOS the missiles) and you understand the OP nature of air.
What needs fixed is the Spawn deaths. Over 50% of my deaths yesterday is because I spawned in front of ongoing fire from something.   Hell, I even have spawned in a tornado, which, while humorous, still points to an issue.   .
the other thing that needs to be fixed are the Recoil/AA when you have tone from SOFLAM or just the AA tone.   How many times have you obtained tone and the missile fly's off nowhere near the target?