Her TGM missile was already insanely strong and I was able to basically remove all air vehicles in the match but a 600m range with an even tighter turning speed is crazy. Hitbox increase won't even matter because you usually shoot it when they're distracted.
@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:
@ATFGunr350 or 600m makes no difference from the tank perspective
1 sentinel and all the liz missiles are just harmless fireworks
Which is why when I spot a tank parked, I look for the sentinel first, destroy it the target the tank
@Vinstens wrote:The appearance of Lis is a devastating blow to tanks.
2 shots of 54 damage will force any attacking tank to retreat or be destroyed directly,and tank's slow movement speed is a perfect target for TGM
If she wants to, A player with Lis can even launch her missile after 2 shots through a suicide-deployment cycle until she destroys any of her targets without being seen and countered by tank
This is why most tanks are camped in the rear with the APS.
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@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:
@ATFGunr350 or 600m makes no difference from the tank perspective
1 sentinel and all the liz missiles are just harmless fireworksWhich is why when I spot a tank parked, I look for the sentinel first, destroy it the target the tank
I have fixed this by putting the shield down first then the sentinel behind the shield ^_^
Or behind rocks etc
@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:
@Padding_Ur_Stats wrote:
@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:
@ATFGunr350 or 600m makes no difference from the tank perspective
1 sentinel and all the liz missiles are just harmless fireworksWhich is why when I spot a tank parked, I look for the sentinel first, destroy it the target the tank
I have fixed this by putting the shield down first then the sentinel behind the shield ^_^
Or behind rocks etc
This is a good example of things one can do to increase their survivability. So many posts here about nerfing others, rather then thinking about what they can do, or use, to increase their time on the map. Hawkeye didn't ask DICE to make it easier for him, he just looked at his resources and made good decisions. Skill isn't just about aiming.
Battlefield gives one the tools to succeed. It is not DICE's job to make you invulnerable. Hawkeye's response shows what one can do to increase their time on the map. In addition, he can use a repair tool if people get through his shield and sentinel. These steps take up a lot of offensive resources. Cooldowns, running out of ammo become a strat for pilots to remain on the map.
And remember, he is just 1 person. Imagine if people used teamwork with their pilots!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!
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@Padding_Ur_Stats wrote:
@Logger_388th wrote:Her TGM missile was already insanely strong and I was able to basically remove all air vehicles in the match but a 600m range with an even tighter turning speed is crazy. Hitbox increase won't even matter because you usually shoot it when they're distracted.
The missile had a 350 range (175 boosted). The missile is also slow (unless boosted, which uses twice the fuel and halves the range).
Smart pilots just outran the missile, easily. Lis's strength is when pilots slow to hoover to farm infantry. It takes them a bit to get up to speed from a stand still. You are choosing to give up your defense, Speed and agility, for your kills. That is your choice, not a Lis strength.
You're analogy of Lis being Insanely Strong is laughable. She gets 4 missiles every 45 seconds. Vehicle Borg Regeneration will heal more damage then a missiles does between missiles 2 and 3, and, 3 and 4.
If they are shooting when you're distracted (i.e. Hoovering over a node farming infantry), that is your fault, not a strength of the specialist. That is like whining a sniper shot you while you were in a battle with someone else.
You put that really well, bravo. Liz is annoying to be sure, and enough of them will get most pilots and vehicles. I have some sympathy for ground pounders, the tanks are papermache already so don’t need greater challenges.
Your phrasing of “enough of them” implies teamwork. Lis and anyone with a recoil can do the same.
the foundation of this game is teamwork. 2tanks vs 1 Lis is no reason to complain that tanks need a nerf.
EDIT: I’m not implying you’re asking for a tank nerf. It was a comparative set statement. I apologize for the phrasing
No tank nerf needed for sure, I think a buff is necessary. I’d also like them to drive like tanks and not moon buggies. You’re also right in that I was talking about teamwork. I did a round of breakthrough once where at least 5 players were Liz defending, and nothing could get close with them working together. BF was always about teamwork, a team that does that will win every round. Individually Liz is garbage… but you get enough of them and you could really roll over any enemy vehicles. I could have been more clear too 😉 All good.
@Padding_Ur_StatsMy most played videogames of my childhood are real time strategy games. It helps get someone to the mindset of adapting to counter the foes instead of doubling down on some favorite loadout or vehicle.
I expected to see helicopters mangled by multiple infantry railguns but most people do not even use them because they are not as OP as they thought
@ OP
I have lost count of the times that the liz missile expires before it can reach a retreating helicopter. It was simply not good enough for the job.
Also they are also increasing the hitbox of the missile so the pro night-bird pilots will have an even easier time gunning the missiles down
@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:@Padding_Ur_StatsMy most played videogames of my childhood are real time strategy games. It helps get someone to the mindset of adapting to counter the foes instead of doubling down on some favorite loadout or vehicle.
We haven't always agreed, but I have come to respect your responses. They're thoughtful and backed with experience, without the need for Hyperbole. That is what these boards are for.
We have seen DICE does read them. It is helpful for the game when people bring real data, experience, and can communicate that information effectively. *tips hat*
@Logger_388thInsane TGM buff is the worst part about this update.
When playing ground vehicles, you were essentially harassed by players you cannot see, fight and you don't know where they are. You get shot from over the hill, behind the cover, under the roof and there's nothing you can do about it. Now factor in there's multiple Liz players shooting rockets your way at any given moment in these wide open maps. And that was before the update, now they'll get even more maneuverability and even more range. And then the same people complain tanks are "camping". APS won't save you unless the reload time is ridiculously low.
Oh and don't forget now they're bringing back Javelin, tracers and Rao's insta-soflam, what a fun time for ground vehicles.
I am on console and I really don't understand why Lis ll be buffed.
It's already an easy mode to destroy helis.
