Helicopters... who's in charge of this?

cheeterdude​  I think what you're asking for, is for The attack Heli to be Broken and overpowered. I have to completely disagree with your last paragraph, but I understand where you're coming from lol. The attack Heli in its current state is a struggle to survive, with far too much downtime.

When flying the Attack Heli, you are Completely overwhelmed with the amount of threats on the battlefield. get a good strafe on C on Lib Peak and you will have over 30 stinger Missiles, 3 AA Emplacements, an F-16, and volleys of RPG's flying at you any time you're in the play area.

My Balance suggestions would be -

Increase Rocket AOE but decrease the damage slightly, shouldn't one shot people but 2-3 well placed rockets should kill someone, Currently feels like the only thing that kills infantry is direct hits. Also there is often times where rockets feel like they have no effect on armored vehicles or infantry.

I Love the addition of Hellfire's and actually feel like they're in a really solid place. From my experience they were destroying jeeps and had enemy vehicles under constant bombardment. feels good, maybe just some improvement to the Locking, Feels buggy and often wont lock to the target I want.

Increase Rocket Volley count to 10-12

Increase Gunner Round count to 20 or 30 with a slower but more accurate Rate of fire and a small increase in AOE, but increase the time it takes to reload. This encourages Teamwork and Timing, Between pilot and gunner timing the reload with needing to recharge flares.

The Heli Feels like a glass cannon. increase Helicopter health or decrease damage of stingers, I think the Helicopter should go down in 2 stinger Hits but currently its 1 because you're getting shredded by AA Emplacements(Needs nerf), and peppered by Small Arms Fire(Remove this). 

 The attack Heli is far too squishy feeling more Fragile than previous scout Helis. If the Attack Heli is this squishy, I Fear for the Scout Heli.

Reduce Engineer stinger count to 3 and have there be a single launcher slot (RPG or Stinger, choose one). one single engineer should not be able to wipe out the entire enemy Airforce, and take down an enemy tank.

Hot take, After 15 hours of Helicopter Gameplay I actually love the New Flight model, I even went back to BF4 to compare and BF6 Feels solid.  I would just increase throttle response slightly and increase Yaw control slightly. Its pretty sluggish in turns even in a neutral state, but I don't want it to have the same agility as a scout helicopter. Just need some minor tuning.

No Disrespect, I just don't want them to go too far in the overpowered direction and then Nerf them to the ground when enough Infantry players complain, like they did in 2042. Feel free to reply with counter suggestions as this is just my opinion.

The LAST thing we need for the success of this game are for the attack helicopters to be as OP as they were in 2042. EA/DICE did nothing to redress the balance issues between the OP helicopters and the weak engineer specialists in 2042, so I just hope for the sake of the game that they don't start pandering to the complaints from chopper pilots who want to obliterate everything just by looking at it from an invulnerable helicopter. Please DICE, don't do this again.

You have some good suggestions.  I agree with the flight model, it seems a bit sluggish and took some getting used to.  An Apache IS OP on a battlefield, that's the point, and I understand why each team just typically gets 1.  I think you nailed my original complaint in a nutshell, either leave the heli as squishy as it is but beef up the damage it can do, or leave the damage as is and beef up the heli's health so you can survive over the battlefield longer.

Bro wants single player experience in his multiplayer. This ain't Ace Helicopter Pilot 6. You want everyone to run in fear of the heli but why? You're flying against starving civilians, these are supposed to be trained and hardened soldiers and mercenaries. They're not going panic and run for the hills at the sight of rotor blades. They're equipped with AA weapons to deal with those types of threats. I don't know if you've paid attention to world events but aircraft and tanks a far from immortal and often they are motorized coffins. Vehicles should be potent but as vehicle players we need to earn our kills just like everyone else and not expect them to be handed to us on a silver platter.

The low ammo on the gun is to ensure that you aim precisely and don't just casually point, click and delete infantry using an overly generous 30 rd belt. And hellfire damage is moderated because tanks will be getting hit with multiple projectiles from other players. If you give the hellfire super high damage then they'll just get insta deleted. 

I'm not saying nothing needs adjusting as it will almost assuredly will, but the demands you're making are a disgrace to vehicle players. 

If you look back through the years we don’t want a repeat of the super sweaty little bird pilots bobbing and weaving around slaughtering the entire team never getting shot down and just hogging the chopper the whole game. We can all remember those people from BF4. However a bit of balance never goes a miss. The helicopter definitely felt sluggish and was really hard to spin the helicopter around when you got to the end of a run. None of the previous BF helicopters have felt like that (and I include games like BF Vietnam in that which was particularly fun flying the Huey) It made the apache helicopter feel incredibly heavy and a struggle fly at times. I only use a keyboard to fly so no fancy joystick or wrist straps as I know some people do…

Hey man, I totally agree with everything you are saying. I ultimately think the Stingers are the biggest problem for the attack choppers right now. The fact that it only takes one Stinger missile to take down an Apache is insane. The fact that a highly-skilled pilot can get easily shot down by a random engineer with a stinger (not to mention he was probably carrying an RPG as well) is insane. It's one thing for a group of engineers with stingers to coordinate an effort to take down an attack chopper (which is fair), while it is another thing for one person to simply pull their stinger out and take the chopper down. If the developers are going to make it a one-shot kill, then they need to desperately decrease the time to deploy flares each time or something. 

The Apache is in a place right now where even super highly-skilled pilots can't even last in the sky for that long. There's clearly something wrong with anti-air at the moment, and it needs to be adjusted. 

Also, I am curious about your thoughts on potentially bringing back the cockpit POV in the gunner's seat. It was a great feature from BF3 & BF4 for the purpose of spotting targets and having a great sense of situational awareness. Right now, in the gunner's seat, you can only see the view of what the turret is viewing. I would like the option to also have the POV of the gunner in the cockpit like in the old games. What do you think?

Its not just helis.  Its C4, RPGs....Ive hit players in the chest with an RPG and everyone standing next to him walks away like nothing happened.  Ive shot and RPG directly above someone's head behind a wall and nothing, barely a hit marker.  Ive lobbed C4 into a group of guys and literally NO ONE dies.  Its a BIG problem.

In previous games, whether it was BF4, BF1, BFV, and 2042, it was common to have a majority of your deaths come from air vehicles, whether jets, helis, fighters, attack planes, or fighters (with bombs for some reason). 

The appeal and success of BF6's beta is in no small part because it featured 3 maps without any air vehicles, and even Liberation Peak was a blissful reprieve. It makes no sense for BF devs to cater to a tiny fraction of players that only play jet or heli, and insist on being able to run the entire match without dying, while topping the scoreboard, because skillz. Nope, that is not what BF is about. 

The Apache is specifically for destroying tanks, it is not meant to be an infantry farming machine, and even in BF4 rewarded precise aim with the rockets, as they were limited and had a long reload. And even then, some pilots could absolutely wipe the floor with the server. 

The constant death to vehicles, particularly air vehicles, is largely what turns off a lot of players to BF games. Keeping a leash on these will greatly increase sales and player counts, and EA seems (finally) to be fully aware of this. 

I would much rather see tank vs tank on larger maps, than helis destroying a tank on every pass. Bring back transport helis, which are more balanced, fun, and reward TEAM PLAY, instead of a single pilot curbstomping round after round. 

BF3 Apache was about as good as I can remember.  I didn't have any complaints then.  That said, the maps were huge, there were still AA threats from vehicles and players but flying smart was enjoyable and the balance from vehicles and infantry seemed polished and well thought out.  Yes, I really liked the gunner POV, that was a nice touch and flying the Huey sideways into an objective while the minigunner was mowing down people was great fun.  Maybe its just stuffing everything and everyone into these smaller, new hot dog shaped maps where AA can reach from one end to the other that is really the issue.  

For the record, I play just as good as infantry or in an APC or tank as I do in a heli.  Like a lot of other people I could have went nuts with criticizing other issues, like the lack of RPG and C4 damage, tanks in these tiny "large-scale" maps getting obliterated in seconds.  Overall, I think spreading out on larger maps will help and I really liked BF6.  I didn't want to be too critical of the beta, knowing changes would be made before release.  However, to me, being a well-seasoned player in all aspects of the game, one glaringly obvious issue was the heli/flight characteristics/AA/toughness/weapon damage models, etc.  A lot of it is just wrong.

I know Dice knows what I'm talking about, all you have to do is play 2042 with the newly released A-10.  That thing is a monster and I've already seen a few good pilots terrorizing the battlefield (including me in a heli, in a tank or as infantry).  The gun destroys almost everything and the other weapons are devastating.  EXACTLY what I'd expect from an A-10 on the battlefield. 

Maybe I just prefer that everything be modeled and playable a little closer to realistic.  The graphics are amazing and make it "seem" like real-world.  Might as well be animated at this point if you re going to give a single infantry a LMG, 3 stingers, 3 RPGS with launcher, the rest of the gear and let them run around at full speed, jumping and sliding, etc. its a little ridiculous (even when I'm the infantry).  

So we have pilots complaining that the helos in BF6 aren't realistic enough because they should be lethal to everything on the ground, but also don't want the realism of being able to be shot down with a single rocket?

And THAT is why pandering to sweaty pilots, who are only interested in K/D, ruins BF games.....