Re: Which is better, BFV or BF4 vehicle spawning?

@CyberDyme

I don't like the idea of queueing in a system like BF4 or older. Unless it's tied only to vehicles that don't spawn unmanned. Like aircraft on some maps. For example Jets on Golmud Railway.

For all other vehicles you have to get to them first and enter manually. Like Golmud tanks, quads, apc's, choppers.

Only apply queueing to vehicles that do not spawn unless manned.

Jet: 3rd in queue...
When available... [Deploy!] (5 second count down)

At 0 sec, no deploy: Remove from queue and either pop up a notification or auto spawn at main, closest CP to death location.

Simple and Done.

@Rev0verDriveThey should just make a queue-system. And then let people play as infantry (while waiting) and when they get a slot, let the player decide within 10 seconds (or so) whether they want the vehicle or not.

This way we don't have people wasting a lot of time "not playing" and all get a fair share of vehicle play.

Vehicle Queue downsides? 

Infantry's mind won't be on the fight in front of them if they've queued but are already thinking of Flying or Driving .

Flyer (at last!) is temporarily ineffective if they've been so busy fighting that they haven't even planned their flight yet .

A Players urgent needs for any Vehicles as Counters will have most likely already passed by the time it's received .

The critical time to think-up some alternate Counter because of this first-choice unavailability will also have passed .

Some or all of these running concurrently with each other could be as destructive to Teams as Idle-Waiting itself .

@tempo_rarityEverything has downsides no doubt. Personally I think your downsides are for the more 'sweaty' players. A big part of the player-base does not think that much about things, they just play.

But a queue system will mostly hurt vehicle-only players, because they will probably get less access to vehicles and be forced to play infantry more.

This will perhaps be a good thing for the overall game-play. More players get access to vehicles and for infantry, it could mean that less "extremely good" vehicle players dominate the game too much.

You'd have to limit any queue, and possibly even refresh (wipe) it every so often.  Unlikely i know, but imagine having 50+ players all in a queue.  Loads of people will join the queue just for the sake of it, or because you have to join a queue 'right now' in the hope you will get a vehicle in maybe 10mins time, rather than trying to get a vehicle when you actually want/need one.

sniff sniff . . .

If BF 'years' are like dog years (1 equals 7) we sort of have 56-year olds and 14-year olds waiting for Vehicles in two Games .

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Here then is why this dog is thinking BF4's Vehicle Spawn is 'better' :

It's 'inner workings' are 'older and wiser and generally respects recognized talent more' .

What does that even mean? (and please understand I'm referring to the Games ages , not Players ages)

It means that the vast experience of most BF4 Players allows them to notice when a Mate is doing well in a particular Vehicle .

That Player usually gets it back if they die because most of those Mates know that that Player is the best choice to use it .

I just don't see this much in BFV yet - it does occur of course , but nowhere near as frequently as in BF4 .

Its Player base doesn't seem to have yet achieved this same plateau of Game-age-related 'wisdom and respect' .

In capacity-filled rounds in both Games , our Inexperienced Wannabe Vehicle User stares at that available Vehicle .

In BF4 that Player usually knows that during a full round there is an unwritten 'rule' that NOW is NOT the time for 'practice' .

They leave it alone , or at the very least they'll wait to see if that Player really wants it back , and then take it if they don't .

In BFV that same unwritten 'rule' hasn't truly sunk into the psyche of its Players yet  - they just take the Vehicle .

Generally , real-life dogs will eagerly and without hesitation hop into 'rides' like cars etc .

It's only some of them who stop-n-pause : 'A ride , but to where? To the park , or the vet?'

We'll get more of those in BFV eventually , but for now , that dog 'pact' seems to rule in BF4 .

@tempo_rarity player culture evolves each generation wanting something different and it is up to devs to accommodate all.

But you are looking nogistic back ignore problems and limitations. I started back in BF:Vietnam I saw how people played in BF2 and BF2142 was nothing like the gunho individual in BF3/4 compared to the zerg of BF1 to the to complete selfishness of BF5.
Most of that is how the game is setup.

Now some people want BF6 to be a balanced sandbox styled in BF3/4 and others want more.

Why can't I pick an Abrams, Challenger or Leopard and spawn in with but according to you, I can only have Abrams because it needs to spawn on a map first because you believe players where better behaved in BF4. Well I remember far more trolling in BF4 than BF5.

The 'role' of Squad Leader can currently be taken away .

Maybe . . . so too could the 'role' of Tanker be taken away in the future (or Flyer) .

Currently , ignored calls to the Squad Leader for Orders gets them tossed .

In the future (?) perhaps ignored calls to Vehicles for Support gets them tossed .

One can still queue for Vehicles , but they'd better be Teamers - it may be the only one they'll get .

Getting 'Tossed' removes their name (for a period) off that 50-Player Vehicle queue . 

nope , still too fuzzy