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fishonamission
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3 days ago

A Call to Bioware: Please Unlock Hardened Lucanis' Romance (ACT 1 SPOILERS)

I've been trawling through the various forum and reddit threads on this topic for the past week or so, so I know at least a good few people who want to romance Lucanis feel similarly. And to be clear, this is not a post complaining about Lucasnis' romance generally - the incredible slow-burn seems to culminate in a tamer romance than many were expecting, and that has clearly rubbed some people the wrong way. I don't have many thoughts on that - I can understand why people would want something more substantial from Lucanis, but that's beyond the scope of what I'm asking for here. What I'm looking for is the bare minimum: Bioware, please unlock Hardened Lucanis' romance.

I've seen a lot of good points already posted by others about why this should be the case, so I thought I'd compile the points I've seen here. I might be screaming into the void with this one, and if Bioware ignores us, then I can rest assured that the modding community might have my back. However, it's nice to imagine a company with time to respond to constructive feedback.

Reason 1: It's Inconsistent.

Lucanis locking Rook out of a romance after Rook saves Minrathous is inconsistent writing. I would understand if Rook was a Crow who abandoned their city during a time of need. It would make sense if Rook levied the full forces of the Veilguard against only one of the dragons. It would make sense if Rook was known to be better at killing dragons, so where Rook chooses to go makes all the difference. It would make sense if Rook had a magic Dragon-Killing Veil Hand that could only go to one location at a time. As it is, however, Rook is not especially more skilled at dragon-killing than any of the other Veilguard members, and Rook delegates half of the Veilguard to protect the city that Rook themselves does not go to.

More to the point, the game claims that Lucanis does not have time for a romance with you while he's picking up the remains of the city. Now, on the face of it, this would be fine. I'm not morally opposed to an RPG character making romance decisions based on player role play, even if it hurts my feelings. That's just the price of art. However, as many before me have pointed out, Lucanis does have time for a romance with Neve after the destruction of his city. This stings especially badly for anyone playing a Shadow Dragon Rook, as they are in the exact same boat as Neve, but they are being rejected for making the same call as she did. And that's not even mentioning how the romance on the other side of this particular coin works...

Reason 2: It's Inequitable

Locking off Lucanis' romance is inequitable, in more ways than one. On the most basic level, it's not equal with any of the other romances in the game. Lucanis' is (I believe) the only romance that can get locked off in such a way. Again - I'm not opposed to roleplay locking off a romance. If Neve could not forgive you for forsaking Minrathous, then at least Lucanis would have parity with another romanceable NPC. It might have been neat to see every character have something that precludes them from further romance. I'm very aware of how much Dragon Age fans enjoy having NPCs that function as their own fully-fleshed characters that make decisions regardless of what the player character wants. As it is, however, having only one NPC romance get easily locked off is surprising and disappointing.

However, and more importantly than comparing fictional characters, it's inequitable towards players. If my journeys on other Dragon Age forums are any indication, I might be unpopular in my opinion that Pansexual/"Playersexual" characters are my preferred Bioware companion writing style. It leaves romantic roleplay open for all types of people. It opens up nonbinary roleplay, as we've seen in this game. It makes me focus on seeing the NPC as a person with goals and hang-ups that need to be honored, as opposed to a list of Canon Sexualities that need to be built around first. As a queer person myeslf, I prefer this, and having it come back in Veilguard feels refreshing after Inquisition. Locking off one of the masculine-coded romances (especially the one that seems to, at least initially, be pulling the Zevran and Fenris girlies out of the woodwork) feels unintentionally cruel, especially in a game that otherwise seems to have worked so hard to be more open, inclusive, and representative than any other entry in the series. Now, again, if Lucanis' reaction was on par with the other NPC companions, then the equity question would be less of a concern. If there was an opportunity to mess up every romance, then it would be hitting everyone equally. As it is, this choice removes one masculine-coded romance from the table, leaving those of us craving one with fewer options.

Reason 3: Industry standard

I hate to be the person stammering "bu-bu-Baldur's Gate" in a Dragon Age thread, but when Baldur's Gate III launched, I knew it would be coming for Bioware's lunch. It succeeded in a major way. Now, I'm happy to see that Veilguard hasn't necessarily stumbled in the face of a huge new title in the CRPG space that offers a lot of what old-school Dragon Age used to. However, this challenge presents an opportunity to Bioware. Using upcoming game patches to do more than just bare-minimum bug-fixes would be an amazing response to seeing Larian Studios do the same. They used the patching system to add narrative and character content in a way that I haven't ever seen out of major studios. Seeing the number of people coming out against Lucanis' romance being locked off in this way, it would certainly warm my heart to see Bioware at least conscientiously engage with these criticisms.

Just my thoughts. Again - I know this might be preaching to the choir, but...a girl can hope.

  • PixeledReality's avatar
    PixeledReality
    Seasoned Newcomer

    Co-signed, and thank you for the summary. Cut the Shadow Dragon Rooks some slack, at least, if Neve gets a free pass, when she, ostensibly, is too caught up in Minrathous' woes to let anyone inside her heart.

    Otherwise, let the Neve/Lucanis ship sail too, as long as Treviso gets shafted.

  • BunsAndDragons's avatar
    BunsAndDragons
    Seasoned Newcomer

    When I got a conversation with him about making Neve's favorite dessert, I was honestly so put out. No mention of past flirting pre-dragon attack, no conversation with him for closure, NOTHING. Just a sad little pop up that says he doesn't have time for my Rook anymore. (I played on launch so that specific line wasn't even there) I'm still coping that this is a bug, but if it's not, whoever made this particular decision affect ONE character's romance subplot needs to reevaluate because this is such a wasted opportunity.

    Don't get me wrong I'm still going to finish the game, in fact, I've enjoyed everything so far. But romance subplots have always been my favorite part of any RPG, and I basically missed out on the other romances because I was still hoping Lucanis' would progress. 

    • DexiDerp's avatar
      DexiDerp
      Seasoned Rookie

      At least give me the option to smash the stupid pie, instead of forcing me to co-sign the relationship building that you apparently have no way of preventing. Spite would like it, I bet. Let Rook be bitter, make the weird narrative decision at least have some payoff!

      • PixeledReality's avatar
        PixeledReality
        Seasoned Newcomer

        Ha! I just remembered how DA2 presented us with the option to screw Aveline's chances with Donnic.

        And although I love Tevinter lore, Aveline>>>Neve. 😇

  • fishonamission's avatar
    fishonamission
    Seasoned Newcomer

    Knew I was forgetting something, but the silly roleplay call of asking Rook to ignore the potential fall of Minrathous to the Venatori for the sake of a romance plot line is also ehhhhhhh. Again, I'd get it if Rook were a Crow. I can also do the mental gymnastics of figuring that Minrathous is a mage city with a Laser Beam Capitol, but...apparently Minrathous gets hit so badly by the dragon, even compared to Blighted Treviso (despite Treviso's lack of standing army). As a Shadow Dragon Rook, I really had to ignore any common-sense role play to make the call to save Treviso.

  • rosemusk's avatar
    rosemusk
    Seasoned Newcomer

    Yes, please! At the very least, if Rook/Lucanis is locked out, then Neve/Lucanis should be locked out as well. Having Lucanis romancing Neve after rejecting Rook is just rubbing salt on the wound.

    Furthermore, it is an inconsistent and contradictory treatment of his character and it's jarring to see. No time for Rook, but plenty of time for Neve? Does he not know who he wants? What are we, chopped liver?

    • fishonamission's avatar
      fishonamission
      Seasoned Newcomer

      It definitely feels like a bandaid solution to claim "he doesn't have time" when he clearly does, just not with Rook. Makes some part of me hope it's a stop-gap while they patch other things, but...that's probably just me trying to cope. 

  • cornerbite's avatar
    cornerbite
    Seasoned Novice

    Whole thing is disappointing. ALL of the romanced are disappointing. Just got to Bellara's "commit" scene and wow, what a... 

    wow. Absolutely no effort into that writing whatsoever. Just

    "You sure"

    "Yup"

    "Kay."

    They really dropped the ball with this stuff, and I feel like if they had done all of this well, it would have really gone a long way in salving all the other wounds this game has.

    No one wanted to see Luca and Neve together at the expense of the character we're playing, and no one expected to have to completely headcanon our own relationships with these characters. 

    Oh and while you're at it, give us a BREAK UP button that triggers the other scenes to start up again LIKE WE HAD IN PREVIOUS GAMES so when we do, inevitably, get let down, we can at least give someone else a go to see if that goes any better.

    • fishonamission's avatar
      fishonamission
      Seasoned Newcomer

      I have a pretty high tolerance for lackluster romance (hence why I'm still chasing Lucanis even despite it all). 

      I suspect that Veilguard is what Dragon Age II wanted to be, given more proper development time. The friend/romance progression feels a lot to me like Dragon Age II, except with so much more content to bloat the time between new companion scenes. I like the side quest content, generally, but the bloat can make it feel like you never really get to talk to your companions, and all NPC arcs stagnate for weird amounts of in-game time. When you add the fact that the convo wheel has been removed in favor of Awkwardly Standing In Someone's Room, it really feels like Rook rarely gets to talk to their companions. 

      A lot of those things are probably too large to fix. I wish all of the romances had been treated with more care, but having to fight against silly RP calls to engage with one of the tamest, least built romances in the game feels extra bad. If Hardened Lucanis wasn't locked off, I could at least imagine the drama of the two reconciling after his loss in Treviso. 

  • Amnixx's avatar
    Amnixx
    Seasoned Newcomer

    Why bother? It's not a real romance for Rook. Lucanis  very obviously was not originally a romance option for Rook. He was meant to romance Neve and was probably opened up for Rook as an afterthought or for marketing purposes. Problem is they forgot to rewrite him to actually show interest in Rook :) 

    • fishonamission's avatar
      fishonamission
      Seasoned Newcomer

      I can't believe they'd intentionally do that in a game that otherwise seems to be going after the DAII style of Everyone's Romanceable. But definitely lots of people are in the camp of saying Lucanis is written better for Never than for Rook.