I Like Sloane

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@arthurh3535 wrote:

I have to digress just a moment. I want to yell at the creators of Drack's loyalty mission to Elaadan's moon.It starts with it raining on you. If you have such a water shortage that 500 gallons is all you have for your colony, it would pay to go to that moon and just grab the rain water runoff...

>_<

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YOU ARE SO RIGHT !!!

...and at the same time both dextro-food and levo-food easily available on every planet.   :-o

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@Kondaru wrote:

YOU ARE SO RIGHT !!!

...and at the same time both dextro-food and levo-food easily available on every planet.   :-o

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Well, it is in real life, too. Though maybe the Quarians and Turians need more than sugar.

Probably they do.   😃

And when we get to dextro-amino-acids vs. levo-amino-acids (I got it, no more abbreviations) it should probably be much greater problem than water...

...unless all those Turians / all other species *are* canibals.   :-(

I wanted to like Sloane but couldn't.  For virtually no reason at all, she is too disrespectful towards me and remains so almost to the very end.  It's like all Bain does is give you a nickname you don't like which in all honesty is somewhat endearing almost like Drack calling everyone kid.  Sloane is just disrespectful even when you help her out.

Talking to the recruiter for the Outcasts, made me want to like Sloane but then when I spoke to her, she always spoke beneath me.

I'm not saying Reyes is a good guy, but he is the one that helped me and shown me some respect.  Regardless as to whatever his true intentions are, I can't act off/on what I don't know.  The way I see it, with either one of them I'd have to watch my back, but at least with him we can be civil.

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@Kondaru wrote:

Let's see...

Sloane:

- encourages her cronies to bully poor people

- sentences people to exile/death for being poor, of course after beating them hard first

- is a drug lord

- arbitrarily makes decisions on public executions just to entertain mob

- seriously fails to protect people from Ketts, and requires the fact to be kept in secret

- falls for the most basic and obvious trick disregarding years of training and experience

- offends Ryder numerous times, and then jumps to conclusion that Ryder is going to help her... over and over again

- ...and then requires the Initiative to *pay her* for nothing (or actually for granting Sloane even more favors)

- deeply hates the Initiative and wishes it ill.

Reyes:

- encourages trade and cooperation (even if only in public)

- protects people, e.g. from Roakars...

- ...and does not even ask to be acknowledged for it

- allows legal government to prevail (even if only in public)

- remains gentle and respectful to Ryder and the Initiative

- remains on good terms with Angara

- seems to be gentle and respectful to others (at least in public), excluding some of his bitter foes

- is successful in almost everything he does

- always pays his dues

- usually defeats own foes (such as Sloane) without jeopardizing others and avoiding excessive bloodshed if possible

- is *able* to forgive some of his foes (such as Kaetus)

- supports Initiative.

As for the "duel" thing... Seriously, I do believe that this is one of the *worst* examples of writing in the game. Let's be serious: Sloane is on Reyes mercy by entering the cave. Reyes has absolutely no reason to speak with Sloane, to offer the duel, etc. The sniper is already there and waiting, and Sloane has no way to protect herself. The only reason why Reyes offers the "duel" is to mock Sloane - which I guess is a personal issue. I do not like it, I do find it repelling that he plays Sloane like this, but I still find the very *idea* of his trap to be smart and valid. And actually mocking Sloane is quite *similar* to beating all those paupers by Outcasts prior to throwing them out from Kadara Port. So yes, I find what Reyes does to Sloane to be a kind of poetic justice - even though I would prefer him not to do this.

...and even so what Reyes does to Sloane is much less repelling than what Sloane does to others *all the time*.   :-(

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--While she does bully poor people, you also have to understand the culture of people in general you are dealing with.  These for the most part AREN'T nice happy, rule following people that will just go along with what the "leader" says because you know they are the leader....No these are those who were kicked off the Nexus for rebelling against leadership, and became pirate, drug dealers, drug users, scavengers, and general all around bad people.  You DO NOT stay in power by asking nicely, you HAVE to be tough and a bit ruthless to be able to lead them.  Do I hate it, yes, do I understand it, yes, and if you think Reyes would be any better, you are foolish, or willfully blind, though he may dress it up a bit more.

--While Sloane is a drug lord, Reyes is a smuggler, torturer(see hidden room on Kadara badlands and the hidden hideout of the Collective), and since he is looking for power, probably deals drugs...too much money in it to leave it alone, you just never see it.

--Sloane's "arbitrary" decisions on public executions aren't so arbitrary, but calculated to both make a certain impression and satisfy the desire of those she rules over...it isn't a whim, but a power play and careful dance.

--Reyes probably got the idea for the "trap" for Sloane from the one he fell for just a few missions earlier that Ryder had to help him out of....

--While Sloane may offend Ryder many times, she is up front about WHY...it isn't personal about Ryder, it is Ryder IS THE NEXUS to her, and she hates the Nexus, because of what Tann and co did.

--Sloane is asking for payment, but for the payment you get protection forces out at the outpost, as well as protection through Kadara port....and she comes later to help you as an ally. 

Reyes:

--Protects people from the Roakar...which he knew right where their base was, and didn't do anything until it weakened Slaone....otherwise he used the deaths by the Roakar and didn't do anything because they served his purpose, thus in my book he was partly responsible.

--does not ask to be acknowledged for it, because doing so would hurt his plan, if it didn't you bet he would have trumpeted it to the heavens...he is a user.

--Allowing something only in public, isn't allowing it, it is using it and while Sloane may not be your idea of a best government, it is still a form of it..warlord or King format.

--Remaining gentle and respectful to the Initiative and Ryder, isn't hard for him, as it gets him what he wants and lulls them both into doing what he wants, it is just a different way of handling things, but isn't better if it isn't genuine, which you can't know because of the double crossing nature of Reyes.  Basically you like him blowing sunshine up your behind until your eyes glow and telling you it's a flashlight

--Both Sloane and Reyes can deal with the Angara, and you don't know how much discontent Reyes causes among the Angara for Slaone.

--He is successful, but then so is Sloane, as she managed to keep them all alive, find them a home, and start the process of running a colony and successful port...

--Always pays his dues???Like when he stiffs you for drinks, and expects you to be his lackey....

--As for defeating his foes and avoiding bloodshed....you are being blind to the carnage he has instituted and orchestrated throughout Kadara and badlands...

--You don't know if he does support the Initiative, you assume he does and he puts on a good lip service but you don't know how far or how long........He is duplicitous.

As far as the duel goes, he couldn't shoot first, as that would have been a sign of weakness.  Ryder there set the stage as patsy and witness for him.  The sniper would have shot just as Reyes drew his gun killing Slaone in a way that it looked legit win for Reyes.  That way Reyes could go out and say he "won" and everyone is now under his command.   Given the culture of Kadara, most would have fallen in line since he was the stronger fighter......but if he cheated, then many would have fought back or looked to overthrow him, as that would have been a sign of weakness on his part, that he couldn't fight her and win.  Ryder or the witness for Sloane was supposed to be able to go back and agree that it was a fair fight and Reyes won.

What I don't understand is....why the heck couldn't Ryder bring the whole team in, and bang...one is dead...then ok team, move in, Survivor you are either arrested or killed by Ryders team and NOW THE INITIATIVE RUNS KADARA......it would have been the perfect time to take out BOTH exile leaders and allow the Initiative to then control Kadara unobstructed such as they could on Elendan with the water.  Total missed opportunity for Ryder and the Initiative and bad writing in my book.

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Kondaru wrote:

Ah... But after Exiles rebelled against Nexus (which *was* complex, true) they were given shuttles, arms, food, water, and other essentials. They were not exiled empty handed, even though they actually killed some of the Nexus loyalists. Actually, they were also given another choice: they were offered to be returned to cryo, and promised a chance for a fair trial after situation is back to normal.

And Nexus was actually giving a pickup to some of the Exiles - just please replay Vetra's loyalty mission again...

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I would like to know where the idea that the Nexus "gave" the exiles anything came from. I'm not 100% sure if the Krogan and militia pushed them off the Nexus or if they forced a cease-fire and let the Exiles retreat, but ALL of the information I've found says they had to leave quickly with whatever they could grab. The only supplies they got from the Nexus were being smuggled off the station, and you managed to shut most of that down. So, Sloane thanks you for that bit of help too.

As for the Cryo and trial thing, if you had been rebelling against Tann, would you really honestly be willing to trust him enough to get placed helplessly in cryo, and, if you woke up, think you would get any sort of fair hearing and sentencing?

As for the Exile's from Vetra's mission, The Nexus didn't pick them up, Prodromos did, which is very much NOT the same thing, even though they are both technically Initiative. Prodromos makes a habit of taking in refugees looking for a new start and otherwise carrying out operations and activities under the Nexus' radar

You stretch a bit on those. Reyes doesn't torture someone, one of his guys does to try and recover one of their lost operatives (who was already killed during being tortured by the Outcasts). No one ever said the Collective was nice, just that they weren't as nasty as the Outcasts. 

Sloane condones beating up people that can't pay her ever rising protection costs, dumps them out into a place that most of them won't survive and they don't even have the most basic survival supplies.

Reyes may have used the Roakar murders, but he did deal with it unlike Sloane.

there's a big difference between taxes and protection money, taxes are based off of percentages usually from a person's worth or earnings, where as sloane's fees are flat and ever increasing, and some people here have said that the exiles are all blood thirsty killers who were actively involved in the nexus uprising, this actually isn't the case, quite a few exiles were barely involved, and not really by choice, and it seems quite a few of those people were kicked off of sloane's oversized hill.

i don't really trust reyes, but i find him far more palatable than sloane in almost any regard. and i'm not found of being forced to have her back in that meeting, even after being pretty clear about my dislike of her and her outcasts thugs. and honestly the entire time i was on kadara i was looking for a way to off her without starting a war with the exiles, or a bloody power vacuum.

@arthurh3535  I see you didn't wander around the Collective hidden base much.....yeah, they are just as nasty as Outcasts they just pretty it up better with flowery words. 

As far as Reyes not being a torturer....um, yeah, they do it on his orders, then yeah, he is a torturer.  Go back and look around the room, and the hidden base and really talk to people, and look at it through the lens of trying to find evidence of wrong doing and you will see how ruthless the Collective is, even if they are trying to hide it from Ryder.  Also think about WHY they have all those pods of animals they are trying to train.....

I am NOT saying Sloane is a nice person....I am simply saying Reyes is not only not nice, but he is duplicitous(two faced) and I can trust Sloane more simply because she doesn't HIDE what she is, it is all out their in your face, whereas Reyes is hiding his evil nature behind a accent, smile, and charm.

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@jpcerutti1 wrote:

There, I said it.

I know you(Bioware) want me to pick Reyes, and made her one of the few killable characters in the game, but she's straight with me and the world, has a beautifully complicated backstory, and both the game and her will allow me to meet her snark for snark.

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So far I have picked Sloane both times.  Reyes pulling that thing with the sniper never sat right with me, as a paragon player my first instinct is to push Soane out the way, just as it is not to shoot Reyes.

Im not sure its the 'right' choice for Kadara. There Reyes does seem to be the lesser of two evils but still evil to an extent. This pt I may allow him to shoot her and see how that plays out for the fiture