In an effort to fill all the empty space with things to do they clearly did not study Witcher 3 or Bethesda, but instead copy/pasted from DAI. Endless repetitive respawning of enemies. Endless spawning of Remnant? Plausible. Endless spawning of Kett? A stretch, but still plausible given what we know about them. Endless spawning of Andromeda species? How many people did we bring on the arks again? Pretty sure I have killed half of them leveling past 50. I understand Bioware may feel the need to push their new combat system to the forefront. But endless and frequent enemy spawning is not filling your empty maps with interesting things. It is a lazy point and click dropping of Ikea fabricated encounter points often placed too close together. You are an explorer this time around, not a Specter. Your role is different and what you are exploring for is not the next fight, but what is beyond the next hill. You had 5 years Bioware and you got lazy.

Spoiler (Highlight to read)Maybe with Meridian, you can master the Jardaan technology for species growing, and just rapidly grow fresh lots of humans to release into the wild before Ryder goes out. It would be like a fish hatchery stocking a pond lolMaybe with Meridian, you can master the Jardaan technology for species growing, and just rapidly grow fresh lots of humans to release into the wild before Ryder goes out. It would be like a fish hatchery stocking a pond lol

As far as I understand the story, Advent enclave had a lot of water - it was literally founded on a spring or something - but then Initiative asked Ryder to use seismic hammers to employ seismic activity that Architect was causing to redirect water to Prodromos. In the result Advent started to lose water, and they went to investigate. The last seismic hammer can be used either to steal the rest of their water for the Initiative; or to open gas deposit, that Advent is willing to mine for the Initiative. Advent would still like to be paid for their work with *mining*, but they would be providing resulting gas to Initiative, which clearly implies that it would be of great use to Prodromos. An alternative is to make it a bit easier for Prodromos to have some irrigation with the stolen water, at the cost of hundreds of dead Advent citizens - and no gas for Initiative. So no, it was not architect itself, it was not that Advent was stupid - Initiative is asking Ryder to steal water from their neighbors, and to sentence them to death in the result RATHER THAN to have some good neighbors that are willing to work for Initiative as gas miners. Two additional points: - Advent made it very clear that they are not against the Initiative, but that they simply do not trust Tann, and just decided to go independent. They are happy to see Pathfinder, to cooperate with Prodromos, and generally to share land, and to "invite others to their capitol". - Prodromos has enough water to sustain all their needs; they wish for water so they can grow more plants. And taking into account that Initiative has access to huge resources of water on Veold, it is not even realistic "need" - it is just a convenience. So no, I do not believe that Advent is stupid, or that they deserve to die because of Initiative's greed. I believe that they can occur to be good neighbors, and that it is worthwhile to cooperate with them as much as Initiative can. Anything else means that Ryder turns into something like Sloane or those dead Angarans from Kurinth's Valley on Kadara.

@Kondaru i'll check for myself as i don't recall the convo going like that. but if it's right. i'll have to concur. though i still think tapping the gas veins is still an environmental issue. ---edit you're right, i'm wrong. though you still have to choose between: advent/prodromos & the environment. i happen to think siding with prodromos is the right call in this situation. you don't. that's it.

@CasperTheLich wrote: @pyrion wrote: @jpcerutti1 wrote: I think there are a couple threads about this. Why there are any exiles left outside of Kadara Port that aren't lone hermits or homesteaders by the end of the game is a mystery - and the sovereign nation of Advent must consist of all the people standing around in that encounter... a la Republic of Dave Which is why I went for the water rather than the natural gas. If the "sovereign nation" of Advent wants nothing to do with the Initiative and wants to go it alone, why should I care about their well-being? Grab the water for Prodromos and let the idiot sovereign citizen nutters fend for themselves like they wanted to. Screw 'em. my thoughts too. if they wanted to go independent, they should have brought enough supplies and equipment to sustain them. damn fools... I chose the water because why would I want to destroy the planet I just fixed? Even of the destruction is slow and not within Ryders lifetime it seems counter productive to everything we have tried to accomplish.

Seriously people? And how do You think Initiative is going to obtain fuel or energy? Do You really believe there will be no animals or farms, and that everyone in Initiative is a vegetarian? Do You believe Initiative is not going to use any synthetic materials? We are talking about balanced development, and actually gas is much safer to environment than coal - especially with modern processing. It would be nice if people could process energy directly from sun like Angara - but they do not. Eventually... Sure, rem-tech is able to remove radioactivity from planet in a matter of days, but just a small quantity of CO2 is going to be a problem... Like... Really??? You can bet that when Voeld starts to thaw ice, there will be MUCH more CO2 released into Voeld atmosphere than this gas can ever bring to Eos... :-/

I Really think the arks needed to bring more people...here's why...

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oynxdragon666
9 years ago
I forgot that every single Ark except the Hyperion ran into some sort of disaster that possibly caused several hundred if not thousend deaths before Ryder finds them, hell even the Quarian Ark is possibly under attack by an unkown enemy.
Tuinbonen
9 years ago
I'm pretty sure the APEX teams have a killcount over 9000 already.
Anonymous
9 years ago
@jpcerutti1 wrote:

@Nykara360 wrote:

In my first play through of andromeda, I killed around 2000 enemies, total. Including creatures, kett, angara, remnant etc.

The amount of milky way species you actually kill in one pt is not as many as it feels. Especially when you consider the fact that there is a fair few angara in each group of outcasts.

Not so sure myself. They play fast and loose with the numbers and bodies disappear before you can get an accurate head count. Just the sidequest to settle outcast/collective Kadara's Ransom takes a surprisingly high body count to resolve. How do they sustain themselves even if nobody but my team ever shoots anyone else? There were maybe a couple thousand out of the original 20K that were awake to be exiled? Do you think they woke up everyone on the Nexus to take part in the revolt?

I think it is supposed to fall into the 'we're not supposed to think about it too much' category.

Xbox one has a count of total kills included on the achievements page, i didnt pull the number out of my butt or count every kill I made. :D

Im not that pendantic.

(Edit) im on my second pt - eldedaan almost done and then just journey to Meridian left to go and just over 4k kills total for both - thats just the story, which should really be all thats counted for something like this, i don't do mp really at all. Maybe dabble in it way down the track after it dies down like i did with me3. MP is designed to repeat the same missions dozens of times so only the first time doing a mission should count towards overall andromeda kills.
Anonymous
9 years ago
So with that in mind..

1400 Krogan traveled with the nexus leaving 6000 of the other species (Salarian, Asari, Turian, Human).

Exact numbers werent given for the revolt but assuming it even split in half and 3000 people exhiled and we've killed roughly 500 (which is a generous number, 1/4 kills of a full pt - consideing the amount of Kett, remnant and creatues we kill) there is still roughly 2500 outlaws floating around and that number increases as they recruit angara and also as people wake from cryo to find their family not on the nexus and go join them. There is also Krogan amidst the exhiles.

Really its not as bad as it feels.

Also to have a viable breeding stock to keep a species going you need like 40 unqiue people woth no family ties to have enough genetic diversity- which is also not as much as you might think.

They'll be fine. The numbers are more than adequate.
jpcerutti1
9 years ago
@Nykara360 wrote:

So with that in mind..

1400 Krogan traveled with the nexus leaving 6000 of the other species (Salarian, Asari, Turian, Human).

Exact numbers werent given for the revolt but assuming it even split in half and 3000 people exhiled and we've killed roughly 500 (which is a generous number, 1/4 kills of a full pt - consideing the amount of Kett, remnant and creatues we kill) there is still roughly 2500 outlaws floating around and that number increases as they recruit angara and also as people wake from cryo to find their family not on the nexus and go join them. There is also Krogan amidst the exhiles.

Really its not as bad as it feels.

Also to have a viable breeding stock to keep a species going you need like 40 unqiue people woth no family ties to have enough genetic diversity- which is also not as much as you might think.

They'll be fine. The numbers are more than adequate.

Or... it's worse. 😉

Maybe Salarians can ramp it up quickly, but if humans take 15, Asari take longer than that, and Krogan just a little better than maintenance to begin with... if I kill 500 of them all each game, plus the damage the Kett do and they do to each other... they either need to spread the games and DLC out pretty far or it is going to be Lord of the Flies faster than you'd think.
Anonymous
9 years ago
Spoiler
Maybe with Meridian, you can master the Jardaan technology for species growing, and just rapidly grow fresh lots of humans to release into the wild before Ryder goes out. It would be like a fish hatchery stocking a pond lol
Anonymous
9 years ago
Sarcasm is often misinterpreted.
pyrion
9 years ago
@jpcerutti1 wrote:

I think there are a couple threads about this. Why there are any exiles left outside of Kadara Port that aren't lone hermits or homesteaders by the end of the game is a mystery - and the sovereign nation of Advent must consist of all the people standing around in that encounter... a la Republic of Dave

Which is why I went for the water rather than the natural gas. If the "sovereign nation" of Advent wants nothing to do with the Initiative and wants to go it alone, why should I care about their well-being? Grab the water for Prodromos and let the idiot sovereign citizen nutters fend for themselves like they wanted to. Screw 'em.
Anonymous
9 years ago
@pyrion wrote:

@jpcerutti1 wrote:

I think there are a couple threads about this. Why there are any exiles left outside of Kadara Port that aren't lone hermits or homesteaders by the end of the game is a mystery - and the sovereign nation of Advent must consist of all the people standing around in that encounter... a la Republic of Dave

Which is why I went for the water rather than the natural gas. If the "sovereign nation" of Advent wants nothing to do with the Initiative and wants to go it alone, why should I care about their well-being? Grab the water for Prodromos and let the idiot sovereign citizen nutters fend for themselves like they wanted to. Screw 'em.

my thoughts too. if they wanted to go independent, they should have brought enough supplies and equipment to sustain them. damn fools...
Kondaru
9 years ago
Putting Your own by a wall because they do not trust politics such as Tann? Making them suffer and either die or be forced to attack You just because You are temporarily on the stronger side?

Seriously, I see no good reason NOT to help them. It is a win-win situation. Actually when there is then a question in game "should we help them with Ketts or other dangers if need be?" my answer is always "yes, definitely". People are social animals, they need numbers to succeed. There are many reasons why people have issues with cooperating, but if we are not setting a good exemple ourselves, and are eager to scr** others for petty reasons...

...well, selfish people usually die alone. :-(

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