You know she's going to be nothing but a headache, is bad for both you and the Krogan, and they are going to make you eat everyone else's crow every time you talk to her AND make you have to deal with her again and again.
Also the fact that if you don't rescue Krogan scouts even the Krogan you like will write you off stung. Screw you Krogan.
I think that has far more to do with choosing a salarian, over a few krogan than anything.
The korgan despise the Salarian and who can blame them really.
You know she's going to be nothing but a headache, is bad for both you and the Krogan, and they are going to make you eat everyone else's crow every time you talk to her AND make you have to deal with her again and again.
Also the fact that if you don't rescue Krogan scouts even the Krogan you like will write you off stung. Screw you Krogan.
I think that has far more to do with choosing a salarian, over a few krogan than anything.
The korgan despise the Salarian and who can blame them really.
Mordo, Drack, and Kesh know I'm neither Salarian nor any part of their beef with the Nexus or anyone in the Milky way galaxy if they want to carry the grudge over. The game made me select from yet another spin of the bad or worse prizewheel. I can choose between having someone's back who just bailed me out and save the only original pathfinder that survived or four random Krogan Scouts I'll face in a later battle I will win anyway. Not like the Kett can't find another Krogan if the plot calls for it.
I don't blame them for hating the Salarians. They are the ones though deciding Krogan first - and if you don't agree with that you're just another thing I have to work around to get there is what they choose, not me.
Drack lived it. Everything that the Salarians did, so if anyine can be humoured for holding a grudge, it should be him.
At the same time - he is also aware that he is a grumpy old man, it's one of the reasons he distanced himself from the Krogan. He needs points for that. He knows they need to look forward, not backwards and that he can't let go of old wounds which is not the best for his people.
I'm not a fan of Morda either. However, disposing of her would be a relief. I'm still trying to make up one character that I hate, but that I would miss if disposed off. Tann still don't prompt any specific reaction from my fluffy heart.
You know she's going to be nothing but a headache, is bad for both you and the Krogan, and they are going to make you eat everyone else's crow every time you talk to her AND make you have to deal with her again and again.
Also the fact that if you don't rescue Krogan scouts even the Krogan you like will write you off stung. Screw you Krogan.
I think that has far more to do with choosing a salarian, over a few krogan than anything.
The korgan despise the Salarian and who can blame them really.
Mordo, Drack, and Kesh know I'm neither Salarian nor any part of their beef with the Nexus or anyone in the Milky way galaxy if they want to carry the grudge over. The game made me select from yet another spin of the bad or worse prizewheel. I can choose between having someone's back who just bailed me out and save the only original pathfinder that survived or four random Krogan Scouts I'll face in a later battle I will win anyway. Not like the Kett can't find another Krogan if the plot calls for it.
I don't blame them for hating the Salarians. They are the ones though deciding Krogan first - and if you don't agree with that you're just another thing I have to work around to get there.
There are roughly 500 Krogan floating about Andromeda somewhare, because only 700 of the 1200 Krogan who came to Andromeda setup a colony on Elaaden (the info is on a datapad in Spender's room).
Drack lived it. Everything that the Salarians did, so if anyine can be humoured for holding a grudge, it should be him.
At the same time - he is also aware that he is a grumpy old man, it's one of the reasons he distanced himself from the Krogan. He needs points for that. He knows they need to look forward, not backwards and that he can't let go of old wounds which is not the best for his people.
I'm not going to buy into that. He was always at least honest with me and let me know Clan first up front. I've done more than my share by that point to help the Krogan (including pretending not to know Kesh keeps them supplied from the Nexus ('cause you know that's got to be happening)). The pathfinder's job doesn't include being emotional punching bag in the job description and excusing everyone else's shortcomings while they are being berated for their own. He's also old enough to know better.
Would be easier to let the results of the spin of the choose who to hurt decisionwheel go if the followups weren't only:
1) I'm sorry.
2) I'm really sorry and understand why you're mad.
3) Yeah, that was stupid, you should yell at me about it.
The krogan despise the Salarian and who can blame them really.
Always find these references funny..
If the salarians hadn't introduced the genophage.. we'd all be dead. There'd be no ME:A.
The Reapers would probably have had nothing to destroy either. So no ME3.
I think it's a pity that throughout the series noone ever really says that what the salarians did, was actually of benefit to the krogan. It stopped them wiping themselves (completely) & everyone else, out and it gave them pause for thought. So if anything, the krogan should love the salarians.
The salarians are my favourite species tho. That said.. if I had to choose between using a Salarian or a Krogan in a fight.. I'd bring the krogan. Salarians aren't much to hide behind.
Probably end up doing leap frog with one running around trying to hide behind the other.
I also like Director Tann. Poor soul has enough on his plate without all this hate.
The one I love to hate.. probably Sloan Kelly.. although in this run, I fully plan on allowing her to die..
The krogan despise the Salarian and who can blame them really.
Always find these references funny..
If the salarians hadn't introduced the genophage.. we'd all be dead. There'd be no ME:A.
The Reapers would probably have had nothing to destroy either. So no ME3.
That's a possible outcome but other things could've happened that also could've stopped the Krogan in other ways. I'm sure that if Shepard can beat the Reapers, he/she could've dealt with the Krogan. There tend to more than just two options in life, you know.
The krogan despise the Salarian and who can blame them really.
Always find these references funny..
If the salarians hadn't introduced the genophage.. we'd all be dead. There'd be no ME:A.
The Reapers would probably have had nothing to destroy either. So no ME3.
I think it's a pity that throughout the series noone ever really says that what the salarians did, was actually of benefit to the krogan. It stopped them wiping themselves (completely) & everyone else, out and it gave them pause for thought. So if anything, the krogan should love the salarians.
Actually, Mordin tries to say this but can't quite get himself to believe it.
Really this is like saying that since the poorest American Blacks are still well ahead of most of the people in Africa they should be applauding the slave trade, which no one will. Or, if you prefer, you could say that since in WW2 the Japanese troops fought to the death and the civvies committed suicide to escape capture, the Japanese people should be grateful for being nuked into submission rather than getting invaded and ending their race.
Of course the Salariens, geniuses that they are, managed to go one step more horrifying. One of the female Krogan, I think it was Eve, described the effects of the Genophage as literal piles of dead babies. At the hospital where I work there are these little pictures of a leaf with a raindrop on it which go on the doors of rooms where a baby just died. You learn really quickly to not go into those rooms unless you really have to, because those parents are just DESTROYED. That's for one baby and these parents will most likely be able to have others. For most Krogan parents, it is dozens of dead babies at once, and the probability that even though you HAVE to keep trying that's all it will ever be. The Salariens created something to stabilize an animal population, although based on what we've seen of animals in captivity they might have died out anyway. To use this on a sentient race, to even create it for that purpose, shows that you either regard that race as nothing more than animals or that you have such an utter lack of "humanity" that you make AdolphHitler look good.
I'm actually surprised that the Krogan didn't come up with a version of the Genophage for the Salariens, and maybe Turiens, infect their race(s), and then sit back and scream "Payback's ABITCH!!!"
@fudgietroll wrote: To use this on a sentient race, to even create it for that purpose, shows that you either regard that race as nothing more than animals or that you have such an utter lack of "humanity" that you make AdolphHitler look good.
I'm actually surprised that the Krogan didn't come up with a version of the Genophage for the Salariens, and maybe Turiens, infect their race(s), and then sit back an scream "Payback's ABITCH!!!"
I find it ironic that you first judge the Genophage harshly and then have complete understanding the Krogan doing it back. Just because one person does something horrible, doesn't mean that it's suddenly ok to do it.
So tell me, if you would've found it logical that they retaliated to the Genophage by any means necessary, why is it not logical that the Salarians and Turians tried to do what they could to stop the Krogans from committing genocide on the other races?
Read this if you will http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Krogan_Rebellions and tell us what you think would've been a better solution than the Genophage. I'd be very interested in what you would suggest.
Of course the Salariens, geniuses that they are, managed to go one step more horrifying. One of the female Krogan, I think it was Eve, described the effects of the Genophage as literal piles of dead babies.
Actually it is unborn babies she says.
Since Krogans lay eggs it will be unfertilized eggs.
@fudgietroll wrote: To use this on a sentient race, to even create it for that purpose, shows that you either regard that race as nothing more than animals or that you have such an utter lack of "humanity" that you make AdolphHitler look good.
I'm actually surprised that the Krogan didn't come up with a version of the Genophage for the Salariens, and maybe Turiens, infect their race(s), and then sit back an scream "Payback's ABITCH!!!"
I find it ironic that you first judge the Genophage harshly and then have complete understanding the Krogan doing it back. Just because one person does something horrible, doesn't mean that it's suddenly ok to do it.
I didn't say the Genophage was a good thing, I just said that, the Krogan being the Krogan, I'm surprised that the Krogan just rolled over and took it lying down, rather than sending it right back.
I also had happy thoughts of everyone behind the Genophage getting shot when that particular chicken came home to roost, then everyone having to fix the Genophage for everyone and banning bioweapons research, probably leading to the Salarian Rebellions. Mmm.... The Circle of Life!👿
So tell me, if you would've found it logical that they retaliated to the Genophage by any means necessary, why is it not logical that the Salarians and Turians tried to do what they could to stop the Krogans from committing genocide on the other races?
Someone (@EgoMania) once said "Just because one person does something horrible, doesn't mean that it's suddenly ok to do it." :eahigh_file:
Read this if you will http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Krogan_Rebellions and tell us what you think would've been a better solution than the Genophage. I'd be very interested in what you would suggest
Top 5 choices:
1) Rather than driving the Krogan into a united front against you, reduce Krogan population growth by introducing the Krogan's natural predator, the Krogan. Really, STG and the Specters can infiltrate and launch covert strikes against key Krogan leadership and facilities to unite the Krogan against the Galaxy, but they can't cause a little infighting instead? Losers! Kirrahe would be ashamed.😬
2) Really big rocks, or really big bombs. Play for hearts and minds and earn some respect that can be parlayed into negotiations. 🥳
3) Get/"uplift" someone to deal with the Krogans. The Turians might have worked pre-Genophage, but post-Genophage humans seem to be the only ones who can forge real working relationships with the Krogan.😎
4) Bother to actually learn something about the Race/culture you are uplifting to be prepared/preemptive in dealing with issues, and if things go south you can put together a group of champions to challenge the Krogan leaders to single combat.🤭
5) Following the Rachni wars launch a major campaign to instill "modern" values of birth control, delayed reproduction, women in the workforce, highly mobile populations, etc. which are highly effective in reducing or eliminating population growth.🤓
1) Rather than driving the Krogan into a united front against you, reduce Krogan population growth by introducing the Krogan's natural predator, the Krogan. Really, STG and the Specters can infiltrate and launch covert strikes against key Krogan leadership and facilities to unite the Krogan against the Galaxy, but they can't cause a little infighting instead? Losers! Kirrahe would be ashamed.😬
2) Really big rocks, or really big bombs. Play for hearts and minds and earn some respect that can be parlayed into negotiations. 🥳
3) Get/"uplift" someone to deal with the Krogans. The Turians might have worked pre-Genophage, but post-Genophage humans seem to be the only ones who can forge real working relationships with the Krogan.😎
4) Bother to actually learn something about the Race/culture you are uplifting to be prepared/preemptive in dealing with issues, and if things go south you can put together a group of champions to challenge the Krogan leaders to single combat.🤭
5) Following the Rachni wars launch a major campaign to instill "modern" values of birth control, delayed reproduction, women in the workforce, highly mobile populations, etc. which are highly effective in reducing or eliminating population growth.🤓
1) So regular assassinations in the hope they start killing each other. Yeah, that's so much better lol.
2) As we know the Turians had such a back up plan.
3) All kind of pointless if you've been taken over by the Krogan and eradicated from existence really.
4) As the link I gave you indicated the Krogan were aggressively taking over worlds from other races. They didn't leave much room for negotiation.
5) Well, that sounds very nice but considering the aggressive nature of the Krogan I very much doubt this would've worked at all.
All in all the Salarians came with a much better solution than you did, since your options are either too idealistic to have any practical value or are just a matter of committing genocide and just being able to blame someone else for it.
So yeah, drastic as it may be, I haven't seen a better alternative so far. Salarians win this one as far as I'm concerned 😉
1) Rather than driving the Krogan into a united front against you, reduce Krogan population growth by introducing the Krogan's natural predator, the Krogan. Really, STG and the Specters can infiltrate and launch covert strikes against key Krogan leadership and facilities to unite the Krogan against the Galaxy, but they can't cause a little infighting instead? Losers! Kirrahe would be ashamed.😬
2) Really big rocks, or really big bombs. Play for hearts and minds and earn some respect that can be parlayed into negotiations. 🥳
3) Get/"uplift" someone to deal with the Krogans. The Turians might have worked pre-Genophage, but post-Genophage humans seem to be the only ones who can forge real working relationships with the Krogan.😎
4) Bother to actually learn something about the Race/culture you are uplifting to be prepared/preemptive in dealing with issues, and if things go south you can put together a group of champions to challenge the Krogan leaders to single combat.🤭
5) Following the Rachni wars launch a major campaign to instill "modern" values of birth control, delayed reproduction, women in the workforce, highly mobile populations, etc. which are highly effective in reducing or eliminating population growth.🤓
1) So regular assassinations in the hope they start killing each other. Yeah, that's so much better lol.
2) As we know the Turians had such a back up plan.
3) All kind of pointless if you've been taken over by the Krogan and eradicated from existence really.
4) As the link I gave you indicated the Krogan were aggressively taking over worlds from other races. They didn't leave much room for negotiation.
5) Well, that sounds very nice but considering the aggressive nature of the Krogan I very much doubt this would've worked at all.
1) The Krogan were found on the radioactive rubble of Tuchanka. For as long as the Galaxy has know them they have been riven by fierce internal rivalries and blood feuds. With the Rachni no longer a common enemy to unite them, COMPOTENT infiltrators could have planted evidence, started rumors, caused incidents, possibly made targeted killings, and generally caused the fragile peace between the Krogan to break down (Seriously, a handful of idiots with handguns and TB nearly burned the world down with WW1. You really think that the most elite and professional covert operatives in the galaxy couldn't do the same thing?). End Result: Krogan return to massive internal conflict, Krogan population growth rate and expansion drop dramatically, everyone is happy. 🙂
2) The fact that this was Plan B (along with Shanxi, the Separatist Uprisings, etc.,...) is yet more evidence that prior to Primarch Fedorian the Turian Hierachy had no grasp of "know your enemy". 😞
3) They survived the Rachni long enough to "uplift" the Krogan, they can survive the Krogan long enough to "uplift" someone else. 😉
4) Your response here really fits more with #2. Anyway, it always works for Shepard. "I like this human! (S)he understands!" Zaeed, Garrus, Aria, and Wrex's Asari ex have all done it too.😛
5) Yeah it's unlikely (except wandering around as mercs/adventurers instead of making babies) and was mostly sarcastic, but the fact that nobody tried demonstrates a lack of interest in the 6 Ps and the Salariens' general disdain for treating the Krogan as thinking beings. Alternative option: The Asari put a bunch of strip joints and merc outposts on the Krogan worlds. A bunch of Krogan stop making Krogan babies and start hitting on the Asari instead, the Krogan population growth rate and expansion drop dramatically, the Asari have something for their youngsters to do and new material for reproduction, and everyone is happy. 🥳
All in all the Salarians came with a much better solution than you did, since your options are either too idealistic to have any practical value or are just a matter of committing genocide and just being able to blame someone else for it.
So yeah, drastic as it may be, I haven't seen a better alternative so far. Salarians win this one as far as I'm concerned 😉
As opposed to committing genocide, calling it ecological conservationism, and patting yourself on the back for it? 🤨
Don't be a Dalatrass, man. You're better than that.
Also, "Just because one person does something horrible, doesn't mean that it's suddenly ok to do it." 🙌(you shouldn't have given me this. It's just WAAAAY too easy now!😃)
"....Every proclamation guarantees, free ammunition for you enemies...." (though I'd class things up with a little Hamilton👍)
PS I have Wrex, Eve, Mordin, and Kiirahe on my side, and you have Dalatrass Linron and Padok Wiks on yours. How do you think that's going to play out?🤔
Also, "Just because one person does something horrible, doesn't mean that it's suddenly ok to do it." 🙌(you shouldn't have given me this. It's just WAAAAY too easy now!😃)
It's only too easy in your mind because you use false reasoning, not because I said that. My point still stands actually. You've misused that twice now. You really should stop using false reasoning.
When I conclude that something is better than something else, it doesn't mean it's ok. Please understand the difference between a logical conclusion and something that is morally right. It's always easy to look back and say oh, we should've done this very early on or that...in retrospect. But at some point the reality was there that the Krogan were unstoppable and were eradicating life where they found it pretty much, simply because they had an aggressive sense of dominance combined with an incredible birth rate that pushed that sense of dominance and need to expand. The Krogan were not going to self-regulate that. So the Salarians and Turians came up with a plan that actually allowed the Krogan to survive and at the same time end their crusade of taking over the galaxy. Was it a morally sound plan? Of course not. There were a lot of moral issues, but look at the alternative?
When it came to that point, in spite of previous mistakes it was either bomb them into extinction or the Genophage. Everything else were stations that were passed. Your solutions simply wouldn't work at that stage. If better decisions had been made earlier perhaps, perhaps...but hindsight is always 20/20 isn't it?
It was a horrible thing to do, with loads of moral issues packed into it, but it was the necessary thing to do if any of the other races wanted to survive. You seem to think it's fine the Krogan had started a genocidal crusade amongst the stars. It had to be stopped and quickly if people wanted to survive. You may argue that we didn't deserve to survive but at the same time most of the other races had not been involved in this STG plan and the Krogan weren't going to differentiate, were they now?
I once stated a question in a song I wrote about war: If you could save humanity by losing your own, would you do it?
Truth be told, I really don't have an answer for that. Survival is a funny thing and when it comes to survival we learn that we do what's necessary to survive. Any decision that kills billions of Krogan whether is done like with the Genophage or causing civil wars or just bombing them into extinction will have moral repercussions. The one sense of morality that existed within the Genophage plan is that they wanted a solution that didn't eradicate the Krogan as a race.
There is a terrible logic behind that, but logic isn't truth or moral per definition. It's just what makes sense under the circumstances and I imagine that when your back is against the wall and you're facing the extinction of your race and others, then morality might just be a luxury you can't afford.
Now I accept that not all necessary decisions are what we would consider morally right from our armchair at home, but when you're in a situation like that morality takes on a different form entirely and I don't think I can condemn the decision, especially considering the fact that even when facing their own extinction at the hand of the Krogan, they choose a solution, terrible as it was, that also ensured the surival of the Krogan.
When my Shepard ensures the curing of the Genophage, I believe it was only possible because in ME2 I chose the morally questionable choice to keep the research that was acquired by medical torture. Another choice perhaps that was the right choice even though it was morally wrong?
Also, "Just because one person does something horrible, doesn't mean that it's suddenly ok to do it." 🙌(you shouldn't have given me this. It's just WAAAAY too easy now!😃)
It's only too easy in your mind because you use false reasoning, not because I said that. My point still stands actually. You've misused that twice now. You really should stop using false reasoning.
Nope, I used it perfectly correctly both times. I took a directly applicable quote of yours and used it both appropriately and in context. (I'm tempted to make a comment about the Sean Spicer school of argument here...)😉
EgoMania wrote:
When I conclude that something is better than something else, it doesn't mean it's ok. Please understand the difference between a logical conclusion and something that is morally right. It's always easy to look back and say oh, we should've done this very early on or that...in retrospect. But at some point the reality was there that the Krogan were unstoppable and were eradicating life where they found it pretty much, simply because they had an aggressive sense of dominance combined with an incredible birth rate that pushed that sense of dominance and need to expand. The Krogan were not going to self-regulate that. So the Salarians and Turians came up with a plan that actually allowed the Krogan to survive and at the same time end their crusade of taking over the galaxy. Was it a morally sound plan? Of course not. There were a lot of moral issues, but look at the alternative?
To bring back the dread statement again appropriately and using true logic: "Just because one person does something horrible, doesn't mean that it's suddenly ok to do it." 🙌
In direct contrast to your statement here, the heart of your argument has always been that because the Krogan are doing something horrible (taking over the Galaxy) it is suddenly rational/appropriate (OK) to do something horrible (the Genophage). Since this allowed the Council races to decimate the Krogan and force an end to the war without "officially" geociding them you deem that the end has justified the means.
Ironically, when faced with the idea that the Council Races did something horrible (the Genophage) it is suddenly rational/appropriate (OK) for the Krogan to do something horrible (Genophage them back), you abruptly change your mind. Since the result of this would be galactic sterility or forcing the end of the Genophage and bio-warfare research the end no longer justifies the means to you.
Also, I have looked at the alternatives. I just hope at some point you will seriously consider them as well.
EgoMania wrote:
When it came to that point, in spite of previous mistakes it was either bomb them into extinction or the Genophage. Everything else were stations that were passed. Your solutions simply wouldn't work at that stage. If better decisions had been made earlier perhaps, perhaps...but hindsight is always 20/20 isn't it?
It was a horrible thing to do, with loads of moral issues packed into it, but it was the necessary thing to do if any of the other races wanted to survive. You seem to think it's fine the Krogan had started a genocidal crusade amongst the stars. It had to be stopped and quickly if people wanted to survive. You may argue that we didn't deserve to survive but at the same time most of the other races had not been involved in this STG plan and the Krogan weren't going to differentiate, were they now?
#5 wouldn't have worked after the start of the war. #1 might not be feasible near the end of the war when it has become "Krogans vs the Galaxy, victory or death!" but for the earlier parts of the war it was workable but ignored. #2-4 could be used at any time. So apparently it is the merits of the plans that are currently holding us back, so let's examine them
#1 Bring down the crusade with infighting. It has torpedoed every Krogan uprising since the Rebellions, so it should have been workable, plus Krogan love to fight each other, which means the only real losers are those who want to deploy genocidal bioweapons. Kiirahe approves of this plan, Dalatross Linron is against it
#2 Krogan respect and applaud massive firepower, and are very tough, heavily bunkered, and have spaceflight, so it is unlikely they will be genocided, Turians import Thresher Maws to these devastated worlds and dare the Krogan to prove they are Krogan enough to make these newly hostile worlds successful before asking for new ones. Harsh conditions impose a high rate of attrition to balance the Krogan's high rate of reproduction. Wrex and Garrus approve of this plan, Dalatross Linron is against it
#3 The Council Races held off the unstoppable Rachni for centuries before the uplifted Krogan came to save the day. They were nowhere near the point of being out of time or territory in this one either, and the Turians were just hitting their stride. They had time to wait and grow up new allies. Kiirahe and Anderson approve of this plan, Dalatross Linron is against it
#4 Champion 1 on 1 vs Krogan boss, winner take all. It's been done. Repeatedly. Not sure if backbones hadn't been invented yet during the Krogan Rebellions, but in Wrex and Shepard's experience it's a pretty common way to solve problems. Wrex, Shepard, Garrus, and Aethyta approve of this plan, Dalatross Linron is against it
#5 Foresight is for suckers. The Salariens never make short-sighted decisions that will have massive future fallout.
EgoMania wrote:
I once stated a question in a song I wrote about war: If you could save humanity by losing your own, would you do it?
If you finished ME3 you have already answered "yes"
EgoMania wrote:
Truth be told, I really don't have an answer for that. Survival is a funny thing and when it comes to survival we learn that we do what's necessary to survive. Any decision that kills billions of Krogan whether is done like with the Genophage or causing civil wars or just bombing them into extinction will have moral repercussions. The one sense of morality that existed within the Genophage plan is that they wanted a solution that didn't eradicate the Krogan as a race.
This statement just makes me think of Futurama Season 3 Episode 5 "The Birdbot of Ice-Catraz" with the Krogan as penguins and the Salariens as environmentalists. Watch it (it's on Netflix) and get back to me👿
EgoMania wrote:
There is a terrible logic behind that, but logic isn't truth or moral per definition. It's just what makes sense under the circumstances and I imagine that when your back is against the wall and you're facing the extinction of your race and others, then morality might just be a luxury you can't afford.
Now I accept that not all necessary decisions are what we would consider morally right from our armchair at home, but when you're in a situation like that morality takes on a different form entirely and I don't think I can condemn the decision, especially considering the fact that even when facing their own extinction at the hand of the Krogan, they choose a solution, terrible as it was, that also ensured the survival of the Krogan.
Yeah, but as I've pointed out before, their backs weren't exactly against the wall here. In fact the situation is closer to what it was in WW1 that got gas warfare introduced.
Anyway if you go to the Krogan Rebellions page http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Krogan_Rebellions and check the links at the bottom you will find that the Krogan were conquering/enslaving worlds, not exterminating them, and the Council were replying in kind, so genocide wasn't a real concern. Well, maybe for the Salariens, since the Krogan appreciated the Turian's military prowess, found the Quariens useful, and thought the Asari were hot, but the Krogan never seem to find anything worthwhile about the Salariens.
If the guys who sold out the Salarien Ark had been around the whole Genophage problem could have been avoided. Alas, born in the wrong era.😢
I think we can criticize their morality since they didn't try the less immoral options first.
Anyway, Futurama: Environmentalists vs Penguins, 'Nuff said.
EgoMania wrote:
When my Shepard ensures the curing of the Genophage, I believe it was only possible because in ME2 I chose the morally questionable choice to keep the research that was acquired by medical torture. Another choice perhaps that was the right choice even though it was morally wrong?
You can cure the Genophage without the research, but Eve dies.
This is a little bit different as it is a case of someone did something horrible but should I make use of the possible bit of good to come out of it, rather than someone did something horrible so lets do something horrible back.
Of course the Salariens, geniuses that they are, managed to go one step more horrifying. One of the female Krogan, I think it was Eve, described the effects of the Genophage as literal piles of dead babies.
Actually it is unborn babies she says.
Since Krogans lay eggs it will be unfertilized eggs.
In at least one version of your talks with Eve she describes holding her dead baby, so I'm not sure how it works in the end
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