I don't think that it was ever intended to have a romance or another romance after the suicide mission.
The romance must be locked in before you hit the Omega 4 relay and the romance scene is triggered if you hit it.
That is a hardcoded event that determines your romance for this playthrough.
You can only have one full romance, (Kelly or Samara are not full romances), in one playthrough.
@holger1405 wrote:
I don't think that it was ever intended to have a romance or another romance after the suicide mission.
I think it was. After the credits in ME2 the New Game+ prompt says "Continue this game: Complete unfinished missions, develop relationships, play downloaded content, and explore the galaxy for anything you missed."
Seems clear to me that continuing/starting/changing relationships after the suicide mission was intended. As for the romance scene, I don't know whether those are meant to play afterwards or not. It always felt to me like the scene was supposed to be tied to the suicide mission.
Yes, in a new game +.
If I got OP right they is playing inside the original playthrough.
@holger1405
The section I quoted is not for starting a new game, it's for continuing the existing game, hence "complete unfinished missions" etc.
The prompt has two sections, "Continue this game", and "Import Shepard: Start a New Game". The quote was from the former.
Yes, but as said, the main relationship is already logged in if you go trough the Omega realy.
As said, I don't think it was ever intended to do another relationship inside the same playthrough.
But I see now that in a later post OP mentions that he had no relationship before he got to the suicide mission.
It might be that OP has a purely technical problem that is not related to a relationship at all.
@dylan881
Could you elaborate on when this black screens happen?
You play on an Xbox it seems?
@holger1405
One of the things the game suggests doing if you continue the current playthrough after the suicide mission is "develop relationships." That seems pretty clear.
Why are you so certain that this wasn't intended? Do you have evidence to the contrary?
I can verify that romancing after the suicide mission still works on the original 360 game No problems it works like it’s meant to
Do you have evidence that a new relationship was intended in the same playthrough other than a vague line that could mean to "develop relationships" if you don't have any or even just befriending the squamates?
It was, in the original games, possible dump a love interest after the suicide mission, but only if you have bin in the "challenge" stage with a other possible love interest.
That don't seemed to be intended behaviour to me.
You could not dump a relationship in any other way after you hit the Omega 4 Relay.
Do you have a save before you hit the Omega 4 Relay so you can test if this also happens if you pursue a relationship before doing the suicide mission?
@holger1405I actually did do that I tested it before the suicide mission commenced a romance and it worked fine the romance scene where normally the achievement unlocked normally but I have to stresses out that I didn’t romance anyone before the omega 4 relay at the time of this posting of the topic and I did put attachments of photos of what was going on because I was completely confused I didn’t know what was going on and it is probably the most best idea to try and save the game at certain points because it really does save a lot of headaches
dylan881 wrote:
... but I have to stresses out that I didn’t romance anyone before the omega 4 relay at the time of this posting of the topic and I did put attachments of photos of what was going on because I was completely confused I didn’t know what was going on
Yes, no worry, I got that.
So this might be a bug on the Xbox version, or some game files got corrupted.
The fact that @draconiam experienced a similar problem and others mentioned problems on the Xbox as well, points to the first.
The second only could be ruled out by a power cycle and/or a new installation of the game.
@holger1405
These interpretations of "develop relationships" are not mutually exclusive, there's nothing to suggest it doesn't refer to befriending squadmates and advancing romances in general. You're suggesting it definitely doesn't mean start a romance with another squadmate (which is a completely plausible interpretation) which is both oddly specific and has no additional evidence.
And of course you must have access to the "challenge" stage of a romance in order to start a new one. If you don't have access to this stage then you have already rejected them as a romance, and obviously you can't start a romance with someone you have already rejected. Nothing suggests to me that that wasn't intended.
https://support.xbox.com/en-us/help/hardware-network/power/restart-or-power-cycle-console
To make this clear, because you might interpret this post in a way it was not meant to be. I did not mean that you can't have a relationship after the suicide mission if you did not had one before.
That is of course possible.
But you can't have a second relationship, in the same playthrough, if you don't explode the "backdoor" I described in my previous post.
I understood what you meant, you don't think a second relationship after the suicide mission is intended. Perhaps you could clarify what you think is a "backdoor" to having a second relationship?
As far as I'm aware, in the original game you can start a second relationship (even after the suicide mission) as long as you haven't already passed the point in the conversation with the second person where you must lock in or reject them. Then you can talk to them and have a conflict between the two relationships. How is this a back door method?
DocTheGamer wrote:
As far as I'm aware, in the original game you can start a second relationship (even after the suicide mission) as long as you haven't already passed the point in the conversation with the second person where you must lock in or reject them. Then you can talk to them and have a conflict between the two relationships. How is this a back door method?
Yes, and only then, and as I said in my initial post, I don't think this was intended behaviour because the relationship phat in the game is set to be concluded at the point when you hit the omega 4 Relay.
If you have any developer quotes or other evidence that proves that this is wrong, feel free to share it.
If not, have a nice day.
Huh? This didn't even answer the question. I explained how it's possible to start a second relationship after the suicide mission and asked why you think this isn't intended, and your response was "the relationship is set to be concluded" prior to that. Your answer to why this isn't intended amounts to "it's not supposed to be like that." It worked this way in the original game, and it's perfectly reasonable for someone to have not yet rejected all potential romances by the end of the game.
As for developer quotes, there's the literal message in-game saying you can develop relationships after the suicide mission, and conversely there's no developer quotes saying you shouldn't be able to do this.
It's clear this conversation isn't going anywhere.
As said, it is entirely possible, even likely, that this is a bug.
I still would completely reinstall the game to make sure.
(But I know that can be problematic if you don't have a disk and you need to download it.)
Yes, I understand
The only thing you can do then is to wait for a possible patch.
Only ME2.
