Dumping or flipping puck question

Hello. The dump was changed to better support the pressure system. Otherwise, you could too easily kill pressure. I've taken to slapping it out of the zone. Or, if there's an open lane, I'll pass or saucer pass it out to kill more time since it'll more slowly reach the other end and not just ring around the boards to a waiting defender.

They changed the puck flip to make the pressure system more effective, than it should be ,you can still use the puck flip ,but now you have to  charge it up first  you can make your own judgement on that 

EA_Aljo​  Question I have is why are we taking out/nerfing an actual hockey play to support this? So many people are complaining of a lack of realism with this game and this is just another example. What's next, the team who iced the puck has -50 faceoff attribute for that draw to keep the puck in the zone? Maybe a penalty for icing the puck? That would surely increase the pressure...

I think the development team needs to look at how the game of hockey is played in the NHL. You mention running a 6' 1" 150 D man. I immediately busted up laughing. I'd love to know if there has ever been a D man in the history of the NHL who played a career at this height and weight. Your build is the perfect example of how off course this game is. 

I think the development team needs to be less concerned about offense and hitting and focus more on the fundamentals of the game of hockey. Which is 100% a team sport, not this individualism the video game has morphed into. 

For the first time since 2008 I decided to not buy this game. Had it pre-ordered, played the demo and tried my best to enjoy it, and after 10 hrs of that, canceled my preorder.  It's drifted too far from the actual game of hockey. No longer enjoyable to play.

I agree. I'd love to see us get back to having a game that is more authentic to the sport. We've had a lot of feedback on this and I am getting it reported. Hopefully, we'll see some changes in the future.

I'm not a huge fan of the pressure meter as a whole. I don't like artificals trying to simulate emotion or create extra tension. I really hate when you kill the penalty and then your energy just drains from green all the way down to empty the next time you leave the zone. There's times we go down to the other end, get a scoring chance and come back down and they're still at full pressure?

Now that I got that out of the way, I think being able to flip the puck out of the zone is... pretty vital? It's a pretty integral part of the game of hockey. The ice already feels way too small with everyone running 96 speed and Wheels, you don't have time to get a slapper off with three forwards barreling around the zone trying to hit and injure you. 

MostlyHubris wrote:

I really hate when you kill the penalty and then your energy just drains from green all the way down to empty the next time you leave the zone.

Seriously this irritates me so much too. Lots of times, teams will use the momentum from a good PK to generate a scoring chance off the rush but in this game, it's impossible to do that. 

MostlyHubris wrote:

Now that I got that out of the way, I think being able to flip the puck out of the zone is... pretty vital? It's a pretty integral part of the game of hockey.

flip dump is still there. You can quickly flip dump out of the zone, but there's still this dumb issue of players jumping 5-6 feet in the air to grab a puck. 

Not sure why people still struggle with the flip dump. You just need to hold it for a few extra frames to get the velocity it had from years past.

Man, I feel like every time I try it's just a PATHETIC little flop that targets the nearest opposing player to hit him right in the chest. I'll try holding it longer. 

It definitely does do that if you just do a quick R1 and flick of RS. I think that function is intended to combat being able to use it to squash the pressure meter. 

I don't agree with it - I think the velocity of the quick flip dump should increase with actual possession time frames and not how many frames R1 is held. This would allow a quick dump with velocity if the player has sustained possession long enough to execute such a move. forcing us to hold R1 introduces a subtle delay which makes the mechanic feel less appropriate when it shouldn't. 

Imagine nerfing a mechanic as integral as clearing the puck from your own zone to support another mechanic that's as brain dead as the pressure system. It wasn't enough that players clearing the puck could do so how real NHL players can flip a puck on their backhand from the goal line to center ice, but you had to introduce a pressure system that cooked your players' fatigue because you thought it was a good idea to:

A) Nerf clears so that they are mostly useless now. It was fine in past games making sure you cleared correctly to not get a delay of game, but that's all gone out the window now.

B) In pressure and on the PK, the use of players hands, legs, and brains go out the window. Passing drops to nil. Skating happens in quick sand. Opposing players can take the puck away from you by skating by blowing kisses. Passing and even trying to shoot the puck out of the zone are gimped.

C) Are players at the blue line hockey players or Red Sox outfielders? The fact that these players jump grab slapshots should be enough to tell you what the results of the weakest method of clearing the puck will yield you.

D) Congrats on double down of the pressure system by introducing Pressure+!! Nothing says balance like Elite Pressure+ where random shots on net generate even more pressure now. It's not as if as soon as players cross the blue line, just pushing up directs a shot straight to the goalie. Right? Can't be that easy.

E) Imagine, instead of needing to clear the puck on pressure, you have a pass to spring someone out of the zone to skate it a bit, even though they're tired. You cross the blue line and to your surprise, the pressure is still eating your stamina until you get to center ice? The other teams' blue line? A set number of seconds outside your own blue line?

Long story short. The pressure system was a good idea that was implemented terribly. It needs a full rework or just needs to go away. The PP and PK were fine in the game before it was introduced. Teams had to be savvy to keep the puck in and the defenders had to stray away from panic clears over the glass.

Why do we have this pressure system? I don't know anyone who thinks pressure system should be in the game. It doesn't make sense you suddenly lose speed and energy for some artificial pressure. If team gets exhausted while defending, pressure comes naturally if so.