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More Issues With NHL - 26 Edition

What are we at now, part 14? 15 spanning 5 or so years? I dunno. My team's interest (and hope) is at an all time low and that twinkle in our eye has dulled but I'll still continue to make these for t...

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TTZ_Dipsy
5 days ago
Marking as solution for visibility **

Got another one for ya EA_Aljo even though I honestly believe the devs either don't get these videos or just don't care. I would appreciate your feedback.

http://youtu.be/EurEMZUx3AM?si=i_Qyx7hGKwPc79gU

1. Why is our logo always so dark? I purposely chose lighter colours that pop and I would prefer if our logo got the showcase it deserves.
Why does it say Vancouver? I guess technically my geographical location is close enough to warrant that but my buddy is currently living in Toronto (gross) and my team is supposed to be from "Loveland" according to our description. I don't want to represent Vancouver.

2. This really ruffles my curlies mate - I understand it's just an NPC crowd but look at all the palette swaps and outright dupes/clones not even counting the same animations in this one picture. This used to be one of those crazy new features where we'd 'never see the same character twice!'. Just awful presentation.

3. How does this get by QA? Random people can just stonewall your team from getting into more games and the problem is even worse for teams with more humans. You can't even choose to continue without players to boot them in this situation. We need more options to boot players at any point. Also, thanks a lot for resetting my jerseys AGAIN.

4. Personal opinion but wow these jerseys are so dang ugly - I really can't stress enough how I don't believe these are at all worth the grind. Look how depressed the player looks wearing them too.

When I suggested the battle pass in the first place I made it clear there needed to be proper rewards worth the effort and that any/all money earned needed to be put back in to the game - So far the game has gotten worse.

Also, again, I do not want to see these stupid popups ever single time I log in. Please for the love of whatever you're into, give us a "never show again" option. People are so quick to say I'm just being a **bleep** but cmon, this honestly isn't asking much.

5. What can we honestly do in this situation when the goalie just malfunctions like this? You can't poke, swatting at the puck would just knock it in and/or cause a trip on the other guy, and just rushing forward to grab the puck won't work since you'd continue pushing it forward instead of the more logical play of going "anywhere but into the net". For as long as I can remember, all you can really do is hope to god the goalie dives on top.
I like the goalie's go-go-gadget drill arm too btw, really emphasizes him being a tool.

6. Another example of why hitting/controls need to be tweaked. I stripped him of the puck when I probably shouldn't have so of course he would continue attempting whatever move he was going to make - plays are so fast, after all. Of course this led to a goal for us.

Look how dumb this goal was too - 0 AI learning is starting to break the immersion of the game more than the pitiful animations from the team celebrating. Back handers are crazy OP this year, even without Backhand Beauty - Goalies just collapse so easily this year and you don't even have to be fancy about it; Notice how the G tried to stretch out centered to the body, not angled to the post to cut off more of the shot - a problem that the team has refused to address for years.

7. So our drop-in gets the highlight, good for him - So why is me getting crushed being shown? I would understand if I had Send It or something, but Warrior doesn't do anything for anyone in this situation since his only goal was the previous penalty shot. Please fix the presentation for future titles.

8. So a few years ago I made a comment about the team only really adding low hanging fruit to give them the appearance of working hard, and requested my last name (Statham, like the actor) be added to the game if they didn't want to work on QoL. Well it was added a while back which was pretty cool, but I noticed lately half the new voice lines mispronounce it (a very common mistake but, to my knowledge, there is only one correct way to say it "Stay-Thumb"). A very minor and pretty much non-issue in the grand scheme of things but it still used to be correct and now it isn't.

Also, I don't believe teams should be allowed to just troll and pass around, eating up the clock like this on a delayed penalty. We were have more than a single laugh cycling the puck knowing they were fuming that late into the game.

9. A lot to unpack here. Yeah I called for the pass but there are tons of times the goalie doesn't listen and just holds it - not really the point here though: Why on earth would did he attempt the pass the way he did? It was high into the body which was clearly going to make it go back towards the net, he could have fired it to the left, he could have flipped it below the net and around the boards, he could have waited for the player to pass etc.; there were so many better options.

Well outside the crease, why was this goaltender interference? He also had ample time to get back into the net and attempt a save. Interference in general needs a complete overhaul in my opinion - it just feels so random currently.

10. Defense being embarrassed aside, why did the goalie not even attempt to make a save? Getting this close has always done weird things to them high stick side but I dunno, something just doesn't feel right about this goal (besides it being accomplished by an Orca/human hybrid, I mean).

Another minor gripe but why does the game let this drop-in also wear my number? Just like the other goalie wearing our colours from time to time this really bugs me. He is a drop-in, I don't care if he wears 99, just put on a different sweater when you're contracted to my team.

11. No interference in the corner? Crazy that situations like this are still allowed to happen lol. Now, me launching the puck wasn't a troll, I just didn't see him coming until it was too late and haha I got flipped into the boards, but what was up with that goal? Let's take a closer look...

Nobody called for this. Now, I can get a little upset with plays sometimes but I know you know this is legit bad so deep breath and sigh*, yeah... this still happens and I politely request the team looks into this so it hopefully doesn't happen in the future.

12. So he missed the first hit which is lucky for us I guess but then that little tap net us the penalty? Also, if he wasn't there, would I have received a penalty for the follow up tap I gave him too? You can't see the windup but I know for a fact I double dipped flicking the stick. We do this all the time and get away with it - it's been years now so please fix the hitting and penalty logic.

13. Notice the 3 silver rank blokes at the start of the clip - Pretty sure my buddy and I cracked platinum at that point and our drop-in was an Elite 2 player lol. I understand badges are mostly BS with how the system works but that's still a real head scratcher and shaker.

Love our brand new center ice logo and jerseys too? Fills my heart with pure joy and not absolute seething rage and anger the devs don't know how to fix this issue.

Do you understand how long it takes to fully customize 3 jerseys every year without the proper tools and stuff? Do any of you care? I get slack messages or DMs telling me to calm down and to not talk smack and I even lose my role in these forums because certain people can't handle criticisms and then refuse to open a dialogue and I'm the bad guy? Nah mate, the devs should be embarrassed of crap like this running rampant in the game and the people high up making decisions should be ashamed straight up. Pull the thumb out and put the work and effort in.

Anyway, look how easy it still is to just launch the puck into a dire situation down low on the goalie. They are so extremely weak to players when near the post. Super easy to cause a team panic situation like you saw in #5. Trained goalies with 2 brain cells to rub together know how to angle off the shooter and scan the effective zone for other potential receivers. Their main focus is keeping the puck away from the inside of the net, not just letting it get as close as possible to the line.

Why show us faceoff presentation stats like this on literally the second play of the game? Of course it'll be goose egg 0's across the board lol. You guys never think even 1 step ahead when adding stuff like this - Not only did it break the game and need to be removed when you first introduced it, you still haven't found a way to naturally integrate it back in.

14. Who makes a save and pass like that? Cradle, homie, CRADLE.

15. Again, look at the goalie - what is he doing? The puck shouldn't move across the goal line like this as often as it does.

16. Useless ai defender. What are we supposed to do in this situation? My buddy has like 97 speed and acceleration too but looks like he's mid 70's when hustling to catch up. There have been multiple mentions of not wanting a meta but especially in 3's, the devs really want to lean into a select few.

17. I don't want my goaltender to be so nonchalant when the other team has the puck there. He just froze up. And it almost cost us.

18. What was the goalie doing and what in the absolute **bleep** was that from our cpu? Seriously what the heck; how can anyone defend these dumb bots?

19. How can I be constructive about this, seriously? I'm honestly at a loss for words how frustrating these goals are.

20. Why would the cpu just slam into the boards like that? That final straw, final nail in the coffin didn't have to happen like that. I don't know how many times I need to give you proof that the cpu needs a ton of work. Why do hats continue to rain down when everything else freezes on DC too? And why are so many hats being thrown when we are the away team and not nearly enough of our fans are there?

21. And another one. Why would he just stop and let me have the puck like that? They almost had a full pressure meter. Of course it led to score on our first shot, too lol. Disaster cpu.

KidShowtime1867

Hero

2 months ago

Nice video. I don't agree with all your assessments, and still some misunderstandings of how the logic in this game works but well done putting the effort in!

TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
Little rope-a-dope, a razzle-dazzle... a dipsy doodle if you will... to end it nice and sweet. mwah

😂😂😂 LMAO

TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
Our drop-in D man takes a vicious knee and no penalty is called.

There is no 'kneeing' mechanic in NHL 26. The player executed a very late hit into the rear-right shoulder of the player. Considering you seem to implore the same abuse of Truculence, you got a taste of your own medicine:

TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
Their guy and then our guy get stripped in such a weird way where the puck just loses all it's momentum

The fact you think this is a 'weird way' demonstrates a bit of a lack of understanding of what's happening in some of these scenarios causing you grief.

This was a loose puck battle. "Their" guy doesn't "get stripped in such a weird way". Their guy stick lifts, 'your' guy responds with a stick lift - which means the loose puck is still loose. Nobody was stripped of anything. In the subsequent battle for body positioning, 'your' guy comes out with the puck because the pickup animation interacted with the loose puck first. 'Their' guy appears to be trying to skate into the boards while 'your guy' is allowing his pickup animation to win:

'Your' guy again, doesn't "get stripped in a weird way" - he literally skates the puck directly into the skates of the defender:

This isn't a "sudden loss in momentum" due to some inferior puck logic - it's literally a puck reacting to being driven directly into a skate

TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
Please, I'd for someone to explain this one - you can see he was still at like 85% stamina.

There is no way for you to know this. The chasing defender does not have his stamina displayed:

There's actually a brief moment your RW - who is now playing defense - has increased ACCEL and gains an opportunity to quickly angle this puck carrier - eliminating their straight-line speed and thus limiting their acceleration. However, the player instead decides to skate directly down, allowing straight line speed to increase for the puck carrier:

TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
Guy is able to just snag the puck back after getting hit

Do you just not see that your guy's momentum after a hit took him away from the puck while the puck carrier, who's Warrior X Factor resulted in not experiencing a full knockdown - simply continued his trajectory which just happened to be match the continued trajectory of the puck?

What do you expect in this scenario? You expect Truculence to be an instant possession changer every single time? And against the one XFactor meant to combat it? And do you want static puck reactions where the puck magically flows to you after you lay a body check? That's unrealistic. Another misunderstanding of how the logic works.

TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
the goalie just poops the bed, as per usual. So frustrating.

Again - do you just refuse to see how your teams defending left the goalie all by himself? All three of you are actively skating away from defending the slot while the other team has possession. The rebound is soft and big, should be fixed - but I find it funny that you insist this is all the fault of the goalie

TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
Guy gets pincered and somehow survives two Truculences? You HAVE to make Warrior make sense; This Xfactor is definitely one of the most inconsistent to date. Useless AI just gives him a path and to the even more useless **bleep** in net like *shrug

My dude - neither of you actually even threw a hit here :

and 'Jeffrey' threw a shove after he skated away

TTZ_Dipsy

Legend

2 months ago

You need to have more whimsy here mate, I don't care if its a knee, a shoulder check, him tomahawking him in the face with the stick, the main issue his how he just crumples because of the awful hit mechanics and just stays down like he's been shot when I've shown people getting up right away from a lot worse.

I have shown numerous examples of how truculence can affect both sides, this has nothing to do with tasting my own medicine - the mechanic blows chunks and I don't know why you want to defend it.

Him stumbling into the boards and my guy just phasing his whole stick through the body to get the puck isn't weird to you? You get locked into animations where you need to just hope you snag the puck - thats not good.

All that momentum for the puck to stop completely in the skates? It doesn't work like that and players don't just plant like a tree in the NHL. People bring up numerous examples of inferior collision all the time, this is just a small taste. Brush it off all you want but we've needed better geometry for ages.

Your own gif right above your response shows his stamina bar, the fact he stops for a split second there shows he'd have even more stamina. We have mics too, its not like we can't communicate where our "health" is at any given time. You want a screenshot of his build too?

OK there Mr. -50, that's all well and good in a perfect scenario but this guy always wanted you to take the angle so he could use his dekes to clear away. What happened to them making the puck carrier slower? There was no backskate and caught flat footed, no temporary stat buff to this guy. So what is he's playing defense now? I keep saying in 3v3 you need to play all positions - the whole point is to keep circling and switching as a unit.

This is just an example of how much faster and easier it is for the offense to resnag the puck than it is to hit/make a defensive play and come out the victor; he even got it before his teammate rushing is. The came caters to offense, its fine, I just wish that making any sort of defensive play felt more rewarding than it currently is. It'sn ot like he isn't allowed to get the puck back at all, but he certainly shouldn't have many options in this scenario and deserved a follow up crushing. Could blame the drop-in d man you claim was such a great idea but it's not like that would have made a difference anyway - You can shrug off all the hits you want with Warrior, Truculence is still devastating even when not used to it's fullest potential - guy should have such low stamina at this point there he's more susceptible to a follow up.

"Rebound should be fixed" Well there ya go , so yes, I will blame the goalie on this. Everything else in that scenario doesn't matter and you know full well I'm right that the goalies are horrendous. "Just defend better" - If that one screenshot of your +- is anything to go off of, you should probably slide off that high horse and we can all just agree the goalies need work, regardless of anything else.

My guy, you don't even need to flick the sticks to lay people out, you should know this. CHOOO CHOOOOO pain train coming through, you can just cosplay as Mr. Slam and knock people down. I did initiate a hit though and you can clearly see my arm getting broken on his back which bungles everything up - yet another issue they don't want to fix. You can still destroy people with shoves as well (again, you should know this); the shove was attempted a little late but still well within the over generous hit window (which also needs to be addressed)

For once I would appreciate if you could just not blindly defend the 1's and 0's of the game - Just because that how it is, doesn't mean that's how it 'should" be.

KidShowtime1867
Hero
2 months ago
TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
the main issue his how he just crumples because of the awful hit mechanics and just stays down like he's been shot when I've shown people getting up right away from a lot worse.
Truculence is known to be completely OP. This absolutely should be fixed. My reasoning for pointing out there was no 'kneeing' is because the fact you claim the player was hit with a 'knee' shows you're not paying attention to the close details that would give you a better understanding of the nuance.
TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
the mechanic blows chunks and I don't know why you want to defend it.
I'm not defending it at all. Pay closer attention.
TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
Him stumbling into the boards and my guy just phasing his whole stick through the body to get the puck isn't weird to you?
We’ve talked about stick-through-body clipping countless times, so this shouldn’t be surprising. The short version is: videogames sometimes have to bend reality to maintain fluid gameplay and consistent outcomes.
When the natural trajectory of your stick would make contact with another player’s body, the engine has a choice: either animate a full physical collision—which is extremely costly to compute in real time and often produces janky or unintended results—or allow the stick to pass through the model. In many cases, the game intentionally opts for the latter.
It’s not that the stick shouldn’t hit the player; it’s that the engine doesn’t have the physical animation bandwidth to resolve that contact properly without causing unrealistic knock-ons. So instead, the stick is momentarily treated as non-physical to avoid a collision that would disrupt the intended outcome of the play. Essentially, the clipping is a controlled compromise to keep gameplay smooth, readable, and fair—rather than adding chaotic, unintended interactions every time two animations overlap.
TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
All that momentum for the puck to stop completely in the skates? It doesn't work like that and players don't just plant like a tree in the NHL.
I'm sorry, are we watching different scenarios?
Tell me how the puck should react to being skated directly into a skate...
TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
Your own gif right above your response shows his stamina bar, the fact he stops for a split second there shows he'd have even more stamina. We have mics too, its not like we can't communicate where our "health" is at any given time. You want a screenshot of his build too?
He doesn't stop. He glides for like 5 frames and gets beat because rather than close the gap and angle out, he chooses to skate in a straight line to match speed. Doing this allowed the carrier to generate straight-line speed. Rookie mistake.

TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
OK there Mr. -50,
Let's maybe leave the personal attacks out of this eh? We've been doing well in that regard, no reason to derail it now.
TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
this guy always wanted you to take the angle so he could use his dekes to clear away.
That’s exactly what you want to accomplish as a defender in this situation: slow down the puck carrier and force them into a lateral move directly in front of you. This achieves two key things: it buys time for your backchecking forwards to recover and support, and it creates an ideal moment for you to use DSS or a poke check to disrupt possession as the puck carrier crosses your center plane.
TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
This is just an example of how much faster and easier it is for the offense to resnag the puck than it is to hit/make a defensive play and come out the victor
But you are conveniently omitting how your player skated directly into a defender and caused a turnover at a time in which your defender was incapacitated. That same forward was then forced to backskate and as I've mentioned - actually had a small window of opportunity to close the gap and angle out, chose rather to try and match speed and got burned. Welcome to hockey.
TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
I just wish that making any sort of defensive play felt more rewarding than it currently is
It's insanely rewarding playing defence if you're dedicated to the position, read and anticipate plays properly. Many of the people who claim defending is so difficult is because they're busy reacting to plays rather than reading them and anticipating them.
TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
Could blame the drop-in d man you claim was such a great idea but it's not like that would have made a difference anyway
It was a great idea. Judging by your clips, your team leans on truculence abuse and constantly driving the net with your two forwards, leaving the DMan all alone. That's poor 3v3 play.
TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
"Rebound should be fixed" Well there ya go , so yes, I will blame the goalie on this.
You're blaming the goalie for letting in a goal where your opponent had 2 players, all alone with all the time and space in the world while all 3 of you were actively skating away from that danger. Make it make sense.
TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
Everything else in that scenario doesn't matter and you know full well I'm right that the goalies are horrendous
Goalies being left alone to face repeated odd-man rushes should never be expected to perform like brick walls. In real hockey, even elite goaltenders have low odds in those situations because the attacking team has time, space, and multiple passing/shooting options. When your defense is out of position, you’re essentially handing the opposition a high-danger scoring chance before the goalie even has a chance to react.
Strong defensive positioning is what prevents those situations from happening in the first place—closing gaps, angling attackers wide, eliminating passing lanes, and forcing low-percentage shots. When that structure breaks down, the goalie is at an immediate and unavoidable disadvantage.
It sounds as though you’re asking for the goalie to act as a bailout mechanic, erasing the consequences of poor defensive play and turning every 2-on-1 or 3-on-1 into a routine save. That wouldn’t be realistic, and it would undermine the entire defensive side of the game. If the goalie were expected to stop an endless stream of odd-man rushes, there’d be no incentive for anyone to play proper defense.
TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
CHOOO CHOOOOO pain train coming through, you can just cosplay as Mr. Slam and knock people down.

TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
I did initiate a hit though and you can clearly see my arm getting broken on his back which bungles everything up
Because, as evidenced in your other clips - you have a habit of skating directly into players and then trying to execute a mechanic.
Tell me this - should a real life NHL player be able to execute a top-tier body check while their positioning currently has one of their arms stuck on an opponent who they are on top of?
TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
For once I would appreciate if you could just not blindly defend the 1's and 0's of the game -
Posting GIFs, highlighting issues in clips you've posted is literally the exact opposite of 'blindly' defending something.
- TTZ_Dipsy
  Legend
  2 months ago
  A knee on knee would make more sense in a real life scenario but fine, I didn't properly describe it because I honestly didn't think i needed to - It doesn't matter at the end of the day anyway what it is in the game because the whole point is to show another example of hitting not being in a good spot.
  
  I understand the clipping helps the spaghetti code out, I just want more polish added to the game. Most of these scenarios are unpolished and even real NHLers are stunned, on camera (in official videos, mind you), with what goes on on. You say fluid gameplay but it's not fluid visually, and realistically speaking, completely changes the play at hand.
  
  His attempt to poke just goes right through my friend? Reality and immersion breaking - It could have led to a penalty which would have stopped the entire sequence, and it looks bad
  You then have my guy's stick go through him without even pushing the skate or tangling their player up which again, would happen normally and the game does have the code/animations for.
  
  You needa run straight lines to maintain and gain speed yeah? Trying that hard to immediately cut in to a guy when you realize what happened will undoubtedly cause you to lose more speed. Again, he should have more than enough in the speed+accel stats (and i've shown stamina) to keep up down the middle and yet he can still blow by with plenty of energy of his own without the apparent use of xfactors - There was 100% no way to fully stop that once it started so I have no choice to call shenanigans on that; best he'd manage with a perfect stretch straight down would be blocking the attempt to go to the right but of course all you need to do is just deke left.
  You claim to want him to deke past but that is exactly what we wouldn't want since it plays into his style and gives him more speed (which obviously you can't determine from just these vids alone); he wants to cut over to the other side for his bread and butter with a quick release. By using all that stamina to get down, our guy would need to immediately stop and hold out the stick for a dangerous poke which would take him further out of position - Goalies tend to drop down as soon as you pass their center vision so it'd be a massive disadvantage either way.
  
  Your 6v6 plays differently than 3v3 and most of your defensive strategies aren't as easy on paper since we need jack of all trades builds and can't just dedicate ourselves to a single position. The AI will crash the net no matter what setting you have them on so yeah, you might (definitely) have to cover for them at some point - Drop ins are either spectacular or absolute garbage and eventually leave anyway - It's much easier to just pretend like the AI and goalies don't even exist. Literally every type of shot, no matter the speed or angle, is dangerous to AI goalies and human G's are laughably bad; I can wholeheartedly say I have never once seen a good human G.
  
  So what if the defenseman was blocked? He shouldn't have been there in the first place and this is the reason why allowing drop-ins for your club is a stupid idea - Leave the "let's see what he's got" bs to practice or unranked. Again, what does any of that play matter but the goalie itself? Heck, I'll just give the opposing player the puck and we'll all just sit down with popcorn and watch, hang that nasty goalie out to dry -- He just poofs it and the goalie attempts a pad save? Why on earth would it do that? 0 awareness to, I don't know, cover the puck up? I'll call that out every time, especially when he can a clear view of it.
  
  You keep making comments like that but when teams want the game to be harder, it should mean something. I don't want the AI to play like superstars all the time (don't keep trying to twist my words on this subject, you know exactly what I want) but I also don't want to babysit special needs players. My buddy is literally autistic and mocking these brain dead plays, it makes me angry just how bad they usually are when they can, from time to time, show moments of sheer brilliance. You can tell us to just "play better" all you want but I would like the game's core issues to actually be fixed. Again, i'm a ones global champ, the Chef is top 100 in HUT (which has it's own myriad problems), and "Atem" basically owns the VS betting market - we know how the game works and top whatever leaderboard if we truly wanted to dedicate the time, but the game just makes itself difficult to enjoy and that makes it not worth it.
  
  Strong defensive play will only give you a 50/50 chance on these goalies - go back and look at my other videos; I'm sure there are a few examples. This is what I don't like about the moving mountains style of defensive hockey compared to offense.
  
  A habit of running into players, yeah that's how hitting works - it's basically the only fun thing left in the game. My broken arm that completely hinders control shouldn't even be a thing so maybe the devs can actually fix that hm? This isn't real hockey though, it's a video game where yes, you definitely can dole out massive blackhole-esque hits from nothing. We need a mix of both arcade and realism and the game is failing on both fronts.