Kind of a follow up to the other thread about "No one is playing this game".Though I only play this game now to see what the latest patch brings, though I do keep watch on this forum to get a pulse on any upcoming changes... it is not lost on me that even this forum has gotten quiet, and that many of the biggest and regular contributors no longer post.It appears many have given up hope. And I have to agree that we are just regurgitating the same issues over and over.This seems to be a strong indication of where the state of the game is... and yet EA seems to be doing little to move the needle.If they are indeed listening, they definitely are not hearing any of the communitys concerns or they just don't care.As someone here once said... what we see is what we are going to get. Expecting anything more is just us being a bit delusional.

@Katybee_1313 wrote:Maybe Frostbite is just not a good engine to make a golf game. It would explain the weird ball and cup physics, and the ball being moved constantly not where it supposed to be in and out of bunkers. And why EA is probably giving up, and devs moving to 2K.I think it is a poor artisan that blames his tools. I would love to see what someone could do with a golf game using the UNREAL 5 engine. Have you seen anything on the Unreal 5 engine?I myself believe that golf games would be about the easiest sports games to create. You are basically dealing with a static environment, the only real object that is moving is the ball and it can be easily calculated. Unlike other sports titles with multiple moving parts. Consider a title like football with 22 independent moving players and the football itself.I was personally disappointed with what EA used when Unreal 5 was available. Now that would have been nextgen graphics.

@ELF014 It’s so funny you mention the fact we are just regurgitating the same issues over and over as I was thinking the same thing 5 minutes ago! We meet here, talk about our issues and we just go round and round in circles thru a process where we talk about the issues, agree, wait and then repeat the process again. While we are doing this, I am 1 million percent positive EA sees our issues and nothing changes with the game except patches which solve none of the issues and pro passes which lack imagination, content and anything for us to feel like we are getting value for money.I haven’t quite given up hope yet because of its potential but I have to admit I have a limit to my patience. Some issues we have need addressing and not put off to the next game because there might not be another game from themPerhaps we are delusional and if we are delusional to expect a working golf game that accurately represents the sport of golf, I’d say that shows how far the standards have declined with EA

@ELF014 I can play these short chips and putts okay, but I can see where you’re coming from. It feels the speed is too high in some swings, even short ones and there’s lag in the animation with the short chips. I’ve had to ignore the actual animation to try and get the weight right and even then, it’s a nightmare getting the tempo right. I’ll spend more time in practice swings trying to get the tempo right with a 4 or 5 yard chip than I would playing the entirety of a par 5 hole. I shouldn’t need to ignore my golfer’s swing animation to get the weight right because obviously I’m not ignoring my swing on these shots on the real courseAnd it’s tempo that ruins partial shots for me. It’s fine when it’s close to 100%, but the further from 100% you go, the bigger the gap between the difficulty of getting tempo right on the real course and the difficulty of getting it right on the game. I’ll play a pitch shot with a lob wedge at about 70 yards carry, but I can also play 35 yard short pitch shots with the same club (a custom TaylorMade Hi-Toe 60 degree wedge). Doing the same on the game is much more difficult and I find the pitch shot to be especially hazardous if the tempo is off, unrealistically so. So those 35 yard shots, I end up having to flop it on with 100% power with attack angle/dynamic loft adjustments where on the real course, it’s a pretty straightforward short pitch shot with said lob wedge.

Maybe Frostbite is just not a good engine to make a golf game. It would explain the weird ball and cup physics, and the ball being moved constantly not where it supposed to be in and out of bunkers. And why EA is probably giving up, and devs moving to 2K.

@drewgriffiths wrote:@PalomaMarvel24 I am interested in hearing about NHL 24 since I’ve played every one since…. The first one I think…. EA Hockey way back in around 1991. Be a Pro is what I’ve exclusively played since NHL 09 and played NHL 23 and thought it was just too easy compared to 22 which I thought was about right in terms of difficulty. How’s NHL 24 in terms of difficulty? I did play on 22 and 23 with full difficulty settings ramped up so I can’t be a bad player when I played 23 and struggled to find ways to make it more difficult without flat out putting the sliders in the CPU’s favour 😆NHL 24 has a new controller settings called Total Control which is more difficult and challenging compared to NHL 22 and NHL 23. I had to fully put sliders in my favor and set options to easiest level to compete using Total Control. During launch, this was default settings and hybrid control was removed. After a large number of complaints, hybrid controls has been added back one month after launch. If you want a challenge and more difficulty, Total Control is available as an option.

People have given up on this game

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SlimDown57
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@ELF014 wrote:
Kind of a follow up to the other thread about "No one is playing this game".
"What we see is what we are going to get. Expecting anything more is just us being a bit delusional".
Not true HB/2k moved mountains to make a game that all levels could play the way they want it can be done.
PalomaMarvel24
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@SlimDown57 wrote:
@ELF014 wrote:
Kind of a follow up to the other thread about "No one is playing this game".
"What we see is what we are going to get. Expecting anything more is just us being a bit delusional".
Not true HB/2k moved mountains to make a game that all levels could play the way they want it can be done.
I agree that 2K moved mountains to make game better. One EA game that was broken that got fixed quickly is NHL 24. Many bugs at launch and no hybrid controls present; one month after launch, fixes become obvious. Hope this can be done with PGA Tour.
drewgriffiths
Seasoned Veteran
2 years ago
@ELF014 It’s so funny you mention the fact we are just regurgitating the same issues over and over as I was thinking the same thing 5 minutes ago! We meet here, talk about our issues and we just go round and round in circles thru a process where we talk about the issues, agree, wait and then repeat the process again. While we are doing this, I am 1 million percent positive EA sees our issues and nothing changes with the game except patches which solve none of the issues and pro passes which lack imagination, content and anything for us to feel like we are getting value for money.
I haven’t quite given up hope yet because of its potential but I have to admit I have a limit to my patience. Some issues we have need addressing and not put off to the next game because there might not be another game from them
Perhaps we are delusional and if we are delusional to expect a working golf game that accurately represents the sport of golf, I’d say that shows how far the standards have declined with EA
drewgriffiths
Seasoned Veteran
2 years ago
@PalomaMarvel24 I am interested in hearing about NHL 24 since I’ve played every one since…. The first one I think…. EA Hockey way back in around 1991. Be a Pro is what I’ve exclusively played since NHL 09 and played NHL 23 and thought it was just too easy compared to 22 which I thought was about right in terms of difficulty. How’s NHL 24 in terms of difficulty? I did play on 22 and 23 with full difficulty settings ramped up so I can’t be a bad player when I played 23 and struggled to find ways to make it more difficult without flat out putting the sliders in the CPU’s favour 😆
ELF014
2 years ago
@drewgriffiths I'm with you... even though we go over the same requests over and over. I am aware that we do not start the conversation, that someone will bring up a shortcoming within the game and then... we ultimately end up in the same place.
I really think EA is just hoping we will eventually just stop commenting.
At this point I have no interest in the game anymore, in fact I would bet I have spent more time overall on this forum than playing the game.
I am hoping but not hopeful that this game will ever be great.
ELF014
2 years ago
@SlimDown57 wrote:
@ELF014 wrote:
Kind of a follow up to the other thread about "No one is playing this game".
"What we see is what we are going to get. Expecting anything more is just us being a bit delusional".
Not true HB/2k moved mountains to make a game that all levels could play the way they want it can be done.
I am not saying it couldn't be done, I'm saying it doesn't seem EA has any interest in doing it.
And HB Studio's didn't move mountains... it was always designed to include everyone.
I actually played through the first 3 Golf Club entries earlier this week.
drewgriffiths
Seasoned Veteran
2 years ago
@ELF014 I think the moment we stop commenting with our issues and trying to show EA what is desperately needed with the game is the moment EA loses its hardcore golf consumers like ourselves and EA no longer has a series.
Just like other EA Sports games, the most important consumer is the hardcore fan of the sport. You lose them and you lose the game and right now, this PGA Tour game needs it’s hardcore golf fans much more than say, EA FC 24 and when we are dissatisfied with what we got and have repeatedly suggested changes we KNOW will take the game to a place that can help EA seriously challenge and even beat 2K, it makes sense for EA to listen to us for their own sake.
drewgriffiths
Seasoned Veteran
2 years ago
@ELF014 I agree here regarding 2K/HB… they didn't really need to move mountains, all their games appealed to a wider audience and boasted superior gameplay. I played an earlier 2K/HB game not so long ago, it was the 2019 game and enjoyed it more than EA’s game. The older HB games really show that you can have all bells and whistles of pretty graphics, audio and all the licenses you want, but if your products lacks gameplay, it fails. That’s what made even the older HB games better. The graphics might have been terribly outdated, it might have had no licenses… you get the picture, BUT the gameplay grabs you in a way the current EA game fails.
EA could learn so much from 2K, heck they could learn so much from themselves from the final TW games. Would they be willing? At the moment, i highly doubt it
PS Here we go, we are going round in circles again with our discussions of issues, agreeing, now we wait before the cycle repeats for the 100th time 😆
ELF014
2 years ago
@drewgriffiths wrote:
@ELF014 I agree here regarding 2K/HB… they didn't really need to move mountains, all their games appealed to a wider audience and boasted superior gameplay. I played an earlier 2K/HB game not so long ago, it was the 2019 game and enjoyed it more than EA’s game. The older HB games really show that you can have all bells and whistles of pretty graphics, audio and all the licenses you want, but if your products lacks gameplay, it fails. That’s what made even the older HB games better. The graphics might have been terribly outdated, it might have had no licenses… you get the picture, BUT the gameplay grabs you in a way the current EA game fails.
EA could learn so much from 2K, heck they could learn so much from themselves from the final TW games. Would they be willing? At the moment, i highly doubt it
PS Here we go, we are going round in circles again with our discussions of issues, agreeing, now we wait before the cycle repeats for the 100th time 😆
2K2019 had the best swing of this series in my opinion. It was the last game of the series where I don't struggle making contact with delicate putts.
2K changed the swing speed to pacify a segment of the community... I truly think it was coming from the content providers.
What it did was take away the skill to hit partial shots in the game. To compensate in 2K since 2K21 is to hit full shot all the time and compensate with loft angle to control distance.
Yes I do this in real life as well, but they took away the other way I do it with partial swings.
If 2K2019's timing was as fickle as the current game and had the same green speeds... I would be all-in. I like 2K2019... and I have seen on forums that many think it was the best of the series.
I think it was really close... but it plays too easy. Why is it so hard to create a realistic golf simulation?
drewgriffiths
Seasoned Veteran
2 years ago
@ELF014 I can play these short chips and putts okay, but I can see where you’re coming from. It feels the speed is too high in some swings, even short ones and there’s lag in the animation with the short chips. I’ve had to ignore the actual animation to try and get the weight right and even then, it’s a nightmare getting the tempo right. I’ll spend more time in practice swings trying to get the tempo right with a 4 or 5 yard chip than I would playing the entirety of a par 5 hole. I shouldn’t need to ignore my golfer’s swing animation to get the weight right because obviously I’m not ignoring my swing on these shots on the real course
And it’s tempo that ruins partial shots for me. It’s fine when it’s close to 100%, but the further from 100% you go, the bigger the gap between the difficulty of getting tempo right on the real course and the difficulty of getting it right on the game. I’ll play a pitch shot with a lob wedge at about 70 yards carry, but I can also play 35 yard short pitch shots with the same club (a custom TaylorMade Hi-Toe 60 degree wedge). Doing the same on the game is much more difficult and I find the pitch shot to be especially hazardous if the tempo is off, unrealistically so. So those 35 yard shots, I end up having to flop it on with 100% power with attack angle/dynamic loft adjustments where on the real course, it’s a pretty straightforward short pitch shot with said lob wedge.