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10 years ago

Balancing: Team Plants

Welcome plant vs zombies lovers and haters...😉

I am pleased to present you with my ideas, balance tweaks, and potentially new abilities for the best team!

It has been a hectic launch for everyone, and I would like to help balance this really great game in order for it to remain enjoyable for everyone irrespective of team and class.

Where to start...now that plants need to attack in this game so in my opinion they all need an overhaul. Most weren't given any love at all except new variants and some have already been nerfed down a peg or two. I have to compare classes like for like to the zombie equivalents and well this is what I came up with. I will edit this as I see fit based on responses and replies, values and numbers are currently just estimates and until it's implemented we will never know what the effects will be.

Cactus

Unzoomed Shotgun (Primary Weapon)

Close: 30 Damage

New Ability: Cactus Spines (Replaces Tallnut / Maiden)

50% Damage Reduction

25% Movement Speed Increase

25% Damage Increase

5 Second Timer

30 Sec Recharge

This will allow Cacti to potentially close a gap, try and capture an objective and counter close ranged zombies.

Chomper

25 Health Increase (All Variants)

5 Damage Increase (All Variants)

50% Damage Reduction (Digestion)

100% Damage Reduction (Burrow)

Digestion Time Decrease (Zombies)

Fix Goop (Direct Hits Not Gooping)

Fix Burrow (Camera / Skating Glitch)

Ability: Chomp Cannon - Damage Increase to 175

Citron

Remove Shield Acitvation Delay (Ball)

Improved Shield (25% Damage Reduction)

Increased EMPeach Stun Duration (Mechs)

Corn

Ability: Bigger Better Butter

Unlockable

Peashooter

25 Health Increase (All Variants)

5 Damage Increase (All Variants)

10% Movement Speed Increase

Natural High Jumps

Ability: Pea Gatling - Moveable, 350 Health (Mech Balance)

New Ability - Pew Pew (Replaces Pea Gatling)

50% Move Speed Increase
50% Damage Increase
5 Second Timer
30 Second Recharge

This will allow Peashooters to potentially close a gap, try and capture an objective and counter close ranged zombies.

Rose

25 Health Increase (All Variants)

5 Damage Increase (All Variants)

Variants: Fire and Ice - Revert Charged Shot Movement Speed

Fix Primary Weapon (Shots Not Homing/Registering)

Sunflower

Unzoomed Shotgun (Primary Weapon)

Close: 75 Damage

Ability: Sunbeam - Moveable, 400 Health (Mech Balance)

New Ability: Sun Shield (Replaces Sunbeam)

100% Damage Reduction

50% Damage Increase

5 Second Timer

30 Second Recharge

This will allow Sunflowers to potentially close a gap, try and capture an objective and counter close ranged zombies.

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I had to give both myself, and others time to play out the patch in order to be able to break it down and comment, and I think I've played and seen enough now so here is what I think needs to change in order for the game to be more fun. I have used alphabetical order as opposed to how they are set out in the game because for me it is easier to find what you want.

Please excuse my post with the lack of spelling and formatting due to me writing this on my iPad, predictive text kicks in as well so bear that in mind and work with me here.

90 Replies

Anonymous
10 years ago
Approved
Peashooter:

Fine as is.

Cactus:

Needs some love somewhere. He has the damage but due to the map design he rarely gets to use it. A situational character at best. Buff his drone health perhaps.

Sunflower:

Fine as is except for alien who should have increased damage or clip size. Personally I'd prefer the damage so they're different to the other sunflowers.

Chomper:

Fine as is. He's a beast. more people should play him as he is the perfect counter to super-brainz, all-star, chemist and imps mech. Only thing I'd like to see is his old spikeweed back.

Rose:

Increase damage to all variants by max. 2 per shot.

Citron.

Increase HP of shield, and maybe even base HP.

Corn.

Fine as is.
Anonymous
10 years ago
Approved
[rose]
- balance is very good.
- do not need additional balancing
- rose is not useless. She is just support class member like engineer. rose is powerful than engineer.
- If you want healing power pick the sunflower
- Support characters aren't suppose to have a lot of health
- Support characters aren't suppose to outgun other classes without the help of their teammates, that's why they are called support characters

[zen cactus]
- very nerfed!
- zen cactus need more damage or splash damage and drone's damage. zen cactus is weaker than pirate sharkbite
- zen cactus hard to kill imp.
- cactus's drone is weaker than pirate's parrot.(parrot is small, agile, more health, and powerful airstrike)
- pirate has shotgun+long range gun, but cactus only has long range gun.
- zen cactus has hit detection bug.
- cactus's mine is very weak(very noticeable and no proximity)

[Plants team is weak] (specially turk takeover + herbal assault offense)
- zen cactus need more damage or splash damage. zen cactus is weaker than pirate sharkbite.
- zen cactus has hit detection bug.
- cactus's drone is weaker than pirate's parrot. (parrot is small, agile, more health, and powerful airstrike)
- sunflower need more fire rate and zoom.
- citron's primary weapon need more damage or more fire rate.
: citron's ability is very weak(f.g. stun)
- pops corn need more damage(he is sniper but low damage and low fire rate)
- bbq corn need more damage or ammo
- pirate has shotgun+long range gun, but cactus only has long range gun.
- pirate >(stronger than) cactus
- scientist (healer + death machine) > sunflower (healer + supporter)
- super brains (short + long range attack) > chomper(only short range attack)
- zombies pot > plants pot
- zombies sniper class(pirate sharkbite + camo ranger) > plants sniper class(zen cactus + pops corn)
- do not need swtich team functioin in multiplayer mode(some players play zombie team only)
- Plants team is weak, but rose do not need additional balancing.(rose balance is very good)
Anonymous
10 years ago
Approved
super brainz:
needs to have his hp reduced to atleast 175, and remove the spin pull, this is just a death trap, it makes no sense that he has more hp than the chomper and can do everything the chomper do and more 10x better...
imp:
needs to decrease his hp to 60 and make a limit on active mechs, 1 per team should be good, the way it is we see 3-4 mech at the same time and the plants cant counter that.
Scientist:
also need some nerfs, maybe remove the double teleport to only one and decrease his burst damage.
for the plants now
Cactus:
needs to be on par with the pirate, make the drone like the parrot and maybe give her a shotgun (spikes) if she shoot without aimimg, her abilities are also weak, she needs a more offensive set.
Corn:
he is good, he just needs more speed or more HP, the allstar is faster than him and has way more HP.
Citron:
needs buffs, he is a tank but the zombie team has no reason to focus on him, they just ignore citron and kill the other plants.
Chomper:
already received some great suggestion in this post/other posts, he needs urgent attention.
Rose:
needs buffs, she is just useless now.
Zaheen1337
10 years ago
Bump
Anonymous
10 years ago
Approved
If u gave sunflower a damage mitigation ability they wouldn't need a shotgun, giving them both damage mitigation and a close range shotgun would make them just a better version of scientist.
Boolerex
10 years ago
Cactus: Don't need the shotgun,that deadboard thing,if anything deadboard is the one that need a nerf in his sniping capacity so that cactus still stay the better sniper

Agree with the new alternate ability,he need those for herbal assault,although it might need some balancing to not outclass tailnut.

Chomper:

Don't care for health increase.

Agree for damage buff although spray chomper should just gain 2 more damage per tick (And chomp thing even more so that he end up equal to other spray chomper)

Agree about Damage resist when digesting although the value might be a tad too much, something around 30% would be better.

Burrow start up (as you're already invincible when in it anyway) should get a progressive damage resist like sunbeam and pea gatling have. 100% right off the bat is a no-no,you aren't meant to use burrow in the middle of a fight.

Digestion time decrease should be based at how much HP left,with the highest (200 hp) being the current shallow speed as well as the cap.

Agree for the rest

Citron: Agree with all of those.

Corn: Don't need any change. Husk hop is fine and surely don't need a so harsh nerf at damage.

Shuck shot is already 250 damage if you get both direct hit with decent AOE damage ,increasing that would just make it OP

Peashooter: He's fine and need zero buff expect maybe for a alternate abilities that would allow a movable but weaker pea gatling.

He already have one of the best movement tool in the game for survivability as well as a good damage resist with pea gatling, he don't need more health. And his shoot at direct hit do hurt quite a bit already.

As for "pew pew"... Could work as a alternate for either pea gatling or hyper.

Rose: Don't need the health increase,a tight hitbox, a good jump as well as arcane enigma is all she need for her survival.

Agree for damage increase,but not that much lol. If anything,basic and druid rose only need +1 damage while charge variant could use more for fully charged shot.

Fire and Ice charged shot movement decrease is fine altrough they could be a bit faster during that.

Current homing is fine and don't need a fix. It exist but isn't a aimbot like it was during release.

Sunflower: Plz no shotgun when unzoomed,his sun pulse is actually nowhere bad for fighting at close range. However I wouldn't mind a variant with that gimmick.

Movable but weaker sunbeam could be a alternate ability.

Sun shield could work as a alternate for sunbeam.

So yeah,decent change in general,especially for the alternate abilities idea,but don't overbuff plant team too much. Especially rose which is actually not that bad and peashooter which is fine.
leebbuk
10 years ago
Alien Flower - Base dmg increased by 25% - AOE dmg increased to 5dmg per spore, radius increased would also make it more useful and spores lasting longer.
Citron - Electro version normal shots need a massive dmg increase, doing 4dmg is pitiful
Zaheen1337
10 years ago
@Shogunbear wrote:
If u gave sunflower a damage mitigation ability they wouldn't need a shotgun, giving them both damage mitigation and a close range shotgun would make them just a better version of scientist.
What's your point exactly? Can't a plant be better?
I didn't say give Sunflower a warp as well, perhaps I should add that there too, right? That 5 second damage mitigation is in place of warp. I'd prefer warp any day of the week.
jiponwheels
10 years ago
The sunflower should get a better way to heal than that flower pot that can only heal one at a time. The scientist has a heal station so give the sunflower a "watering can" maybe? It would more beneficial healing multiple plants than the flower pot that dies in 2 hits.
LanZhang26
10 years ago
it dosnt seems like you are a very experienced player :P if these buffs becomes real plants will dominate