Citron discussion, an indirect nerf wise suggestion.

Yes, more overheat buffs. I can only fire for 15 seconds with the upgraded Goalie-Star. I need moar bullets1!!!1!! I think that's a decent idea, as it would indirectly buff all the All-Stars that are basically worthless before they get their overheat upgrade (Hockey, Baseball, Rugby, Wrestling), but this could render characters like the Golf-Star, who's got a fairly good overheat tolerance considering his RoF, or the Goalie-Star into bullet hoses of doom, and potentially break them.

Except that he fullfilled that role EVEN before this patch, but people like you couldn't just understand that as you're probably one of those nutella/yogurth kid that just play the most meta character.
Thanks to people like you, my favorite character has completely being ruined 🙂

Greetings Mister Console Joe.

@xxSe4l-MLG420xx I was saying a nerf to the overheat upgrade together with a buff on character that automatically use that.
Pratically i'm saying that the character should be relevant even without that, and just a little bit more with it. But in the end.. the same.

If you didn't notice the overheat upgrade seems a little bit too good and too important. Maybe even more than damage upgrade to every character that use that. Don't you agree?

Example:

Goalie star without Overheat upgrade shoot for 4 seconds

Goalie star with it shoot for 7 seconds

After changes
Before Upgrade: 5.5

After Upgrade: 7

Sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought you wanted to buff the overheat upgrade across the board, which would break some characters. Your suggestion is actually quite good because you're forced to take the overheat upgrade on most All-Stars and Frozen Citron. Making it a little bit less important would allow the player to experiment with different upgrades.

@linger4606

It's funny that you accuse a Citron main to be anti-Citron. Well, visiting the Guide section can help

First,goalie star isn't nowhere near bad without overheat upgrade,but he do get one of the longest shooting weapon in the game once he do get it.

Second...Plant team don't need a particular class to be really strong for them to be "good". that just bad balance.

If he need to stay OP for plant team to be able deal with those class you cited earlier,isn't it more a problem with those class in general?

In top of that,only Basic and ice citron that are the one that are too strong right now. So it not even a problem with the class in general, electro citron is fine, party citron is still meh and I guess both iron and toxic citron are also fine. If citron in a whole was really necessary for the plant team,why only two of his variant are the only one dominant enough to fill that?

The game is at his most balanced state right now. But currently,citron is the biggest problem when it come to the current balance for simply being too strong. Zombie team have his problem too, Imp in general with his now more common Z-mech, Pirate parrot, They're simply not a big of a problem as they appear because citron just counter both of them right now.

Overall though,citron and ice citron do need nerf, basic need his damage change reverted while both Basic and ice citron need his overheat upgrade to be less strong. That it. The rest if the buff citron got were overall fine. Zombie team also need a nerf to imp so that he don't end up dominant again (nerfing gravity grenade and possibly Z-mech should be the way to go,the hitbox change migrated the "too much survivability" problem he got) As well as parrot (give it the same health as garlic drone,make his airstrike take a bit longer to explode).

Also cus it still a citron topic,plz,give citron the ability to activate his shield in mid-air. Idk why you can't considering you can jump with it anyway.

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@xXFrozenChromeXx wrote:

So Citron right now has become a problem. Big problem and i'll explain why.

- Citron can't be simple nerfed because he's too useful against imps, scientists, s.zombie, mechs and when defending the garden. Plants need a frontliner tank with ranged damage

- Citron is great character to get carryed, new player should be addressed to him, because newbies playing Corn (not BBQ) was really hard to carry last patch (maybe with better recoil now is better, but i don't really know)

- Citron wasn't played a lot because the overheat problem made people underestimate him, and people was just discouraged from playing him. (without thinking there is a overheat upgrade that could have made them really strong)

- Citron wasn't played a lot because actually people still thinks that base citron does less damage than ice one XD This problem need to be solved adding it in those senteces that appear before the match like: "You know it? Citron does more damage than Frozen because he is his devil twin brother??"

The truth is that, despite of what people thinks, Citron overheat and damage buff didn't made him op. Just made him overplayed and the actual situation is just an over-reaction. He didn't need the damage buff and overheat, i'm just saying that he was ALREADY pretty strong before, but manageable.

The problem with Default Citron is, he was very weak before any upgrades, but he was incredible viable and pretty strong last patch after overheat and damage upgrade.

I think the problem is just the overheat upgrade. All the overheat characters before that are really hard to play.
An easy example is Hockey Star and Goalie one. Before overheat upgrade are complete ****. But once unlocked.. they're "viable"

I'm not saying that they become suddenly Op, but viable.

Pre-patch Citron wasn't a problem. As long as a player that play him without upgrades right now.
Why instead of nerfing him, we just don't nerf the overheat upgrade and buff all characters that need the overheat?

We can nerf a little bit overheat upgrade and buff the default/ice citron overheat in the way, when they stacks, they reach the same overheat they had last patch.

This will nerf the characters potential, but the character will still be fairly playable for new players.

For the damage on splash damage Basic Citron he got last patch i have also a suggestion. Instead of reverting it, we can just nerf the direct hit by 1, as hitting enemies AND more specifically imps is much easier for new player with the splash damage?

This seems a reasonable nerf, but tell me what do you think.

EDIT: for me, a ex-citron main last patch, it's ok even a revert of everything. Don't think i'm asking minor nerfs because i like to destroy and annitilate everyone. I'm disgusted from him right now. I just did a couple of match with him before judging.. and i have the screen too 18 kills, 2 deaths 10 assist, with 16 killing spree the first match, and something similiar the second match.
I had already 2.7 K/D on him last patch, and this having a huge amount of assists too usually.

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Yeah, the only nerf that needs to happen is a damage decrease or overheat change.  Also Frozen Citron freezes way too fast now, it is near impossible to fight one without getting frozen in a mere second.

i prefer frozen citron revert buffs, not freeze nerf.
Not taking kills with the bad overheat and damage but a lots of assists.

I prefer don't make him weaker than before, possibly. Thanks

@linger4606 poor little victim 🙂

Why don't you have bothered yourself to read my post before spamming "DEVS DON'T LISTEN EGGSDI EGGSDI!1!1!!"

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@xXFrozenChromeXx wrote:

i prefer frozen citron revert buffs, not freeze nerf.
Not taking kills with the bad overheat and damage but a lots of assists.

I prefer don't make him weaker than before, possibly. Thanks

@linger4606 poor little victim 🙂

Why don't you have bothered yourself to read my post before spamming "DEVS DON'T LISTEN EGGSDI EGGSDI!1!1!!"

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I guess, I think buffing his beam indirectly buffed his freezing as well.