After playing both the beta and the full release game, I have concluded that they have nerfed Citron a bit too hard. They originally designed him to be a mobile tank that can help defend or make a push with his team. But now that they have drastically nerfed his shield and primary weapon, he can barely survive anything. I find myself often trying to block damage for my team and trying to go after the objective, but every time I try my shield will be almost instantly shot down, and then I have only seconds before I get mowed down without a chance to defend myself because my weapon has overheated about three times by this point. What is the point of a tank that can't properly take damage? I want him to be restored to beta status, but with a smaller max hp pool on the shield and a small decrease on how long he can fire his gun. They were looking in the right direction, but took the nerfing too far to the point of near unplayability. Thank you for putting up with my rant and would like to hear other opinions. (P.S. For some reason Gravity/Sonic grenades as well as reviving and interacting with objectives will disable the shield and it doesn't make sense.)

It's funny because I find his weapon deals a little bit too much damage per second and his shield is obnoxious as all * because he can basically turn off your ability to harm him unless you maneuver allllllll the way behind him without dying. Furthermore the hitbox on his ball charge attack apparently has near infinite vertical height so it's nearly impossible to dodge by jumping, which is the natural reaction.Clearly your definition of his role no longer applies to his role, suggest a change in playstyle.

Citron seems fine to me, from the perspective of always fighting him. Some toons beat him, others he steam rolls. He seems best as a highly mobile light tank.

@skeletonman3546 wrote:Disagree I think the citron is slightly stronger than it should be. Should receive a small nerf such as less hp or less damage done by weapon. I feel this way for most of the plant team as well.It'd be cool if half the characters in the game didn't have a potential one-shot ability as well. Pea Shooter, Cactus, All-Star, Foot Soldier, technically Rose, Chomper, Kernel, kind've Captain Deadbeard and Super Brainz all * have abilities that hit between 100-200 for christ sakes. And that's when you don't account for abilities like the E.M Peach, Goop and Timeslow which don't one-shot you but pretty much set you up to be.It'd be cool if I could go at least 1 match without dying instantly to something. It's like this is Battlefront or some *.

In my personal opinion, I agree with the OP. Their shield is generally mowed down in about 2-3 shots from an average weapon. Citrons for me is a really easy target.

@Rhendyr wrote:Pughugger45, as opposed to the person who died, I would say those 50 hps look pretty damn nice to the person you just killed..... There's one zombie that starts out with 50 hps....Do you see the problem here with your logic? You don't like that you usually only survive with 50 hps.... you, SURVIVED, meaning, you just won the fight, your statement would imply that you live more often than you die....I'll tell you the Citrons I steam roll, and the ones who roll me. The Citron who runs around alone, thinking they are one man wrecking crews, I love them. The ones who run way ahead of their friends, making themselves easy targets, love them.The Citron that stays next to his friends, I hate them. They have incredibly high hps/survival compared to every other plants, so I either try to kill their friends, just to get nuked down by the Citron, who then revives his friends that I killed, or, I engage him, who has enough hps to outlast my Brainz, he EM's my spin, and I then die, quickly. The other Citron I hate is the one who zips around in ball form into my team, he ball spins around, burning up cooldown after cooldown to then have his team engage right afterwards, at which he picks a target, spins into them, flattens them, then engages while his team is also engaging. There are great Citrons, and horrible Citrons, if someone thinks he's weak, they are most likely one of the bad Citrons. While, it's true, he's no Rose, it takes skill to play him and to do well with, those who are good with him, are a pain in the ever loving rear of Zombies everywhere. But, he's not weak, by any stretch of the imagination. What I say about surviving with that 50 hp, I am talking about when I have to book it out of there because zombies are all targeting me. But I have to give you props. You gave the best advice about playing the class that I love. While I still don't like his shield having so low health and hope that they include that in the balancing that they will release soon, I'll try playing him more as a distraction class than the tank I learned to play in the beta. Thank you.

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Anonymous
10 years ago
It's funny because I find his weapon deals a little bit too much damage per second and his shield is obnoxious as all * because he can basically turn off your ability to harm him unless you maneuver allllllll the way behind him without dying. Furthermore the hitbox on his ball charge attack apparently has near infinite vertical height so it's nearly impossible to dodge by jumping, which is the natural reaction.
Clearly your definition of his role no longer applies to his role, suggest a change in playstyle.
Anonymous
10 years ago
Disagree I think the citron is slightly stronger than it should be. Should receive a small nerf such as less hp or less damage done by weapon. I feel this way for most of the plant team as well.
Rhendyr
10 years ago
Citron seems fine to me, from the perspective of always fighting him. Some toons beat him, others he steam rolls. He seems best as a highly mobile light tank.
Anonymous
10 years ago
@skeletonman3546 wrote:
Disagree I think the citron is slightly stronger than it should be. Should receive a small nerf such as less hp or less damage done by weapon. I feel this way for most of the plant team as well.
It'd be cool if half the characters in the game didn't have a potential one-shot ability as well. Pea Shooter, Cactus, All-Star, Foot Soldier, technically Rose, Chomper, Kernel, kind've Captain Deadbeard and Super Brainz all * have abilities that hit between 100-200 for christ sakes. And that's when you don't account for abilities like the E.M Peach, Goop and Timeslow which don't one-shot you but pretty much set you up to be.
It'd be cool if I could go at least 1 match without dying instantly to something. It's like this is Battlefront or some *.
Anonymous
10 years ago
@The_Masked_Doll wrote:
@skeletonman3546 wrote:
Disagree I think the citron is slightly stronger than it should be. Should receive a small nerf such as less hp or less damage done by weapon. I feel this way for most of the plant team as well.
It'd be cool if half the characters in the game didn't have a potential one-shot ability as well. Pea Shooter, Cactus, All-Star, Foot Soldier, technically Rose, Chomper, Kernel, kind've Captain Deadbeard and Super Brainz all * have abilities that hit between 100-200 for christ sakes. And that's when you don't account for abilities like the E.M Peach, Goop and Timeslow which don't one-shot you but pretty much set you up to be.
It'd be cool if I could go at least 1 match without dying instantly to something. It's like this is Battlefront or some *.
This is Garden Warfare !!
Rhendyr
10 years ago
I don't know about the others one shot abilities really, but you mentioned Brainz, he can hit for 120, on a perfect direct hit, from a huge ball of energy that move at around 1/4th the speed of anything else in the sky. Most of the time when I fire it, I end up doing between 1-20 dmg. I do get some nice lucky hits for 120 every now and then, but they are few and far between.
Citron annoys me because when he's in ball, if he doesn't want to fight, good luck making him, and if he decides he wants to zip around and * you in ball form, he can do that also, then he can dis-spell any ability I have up and make it to where I can't do anything except autoattack for most of the time what is the length of my toons life, which to me, is as you said, in essence, a one hit kill.
Anonymous
10 years ago
@Rhendyr wrote:
I don't know about the others one shot abilities really, but you mentioned Brainz, he can hit for 120, on a perfect direct hit, from a huge ball of energy that move at around 1/4th the speed of anything else in the sky. Most of the time when I fire it, I end up doing between 1-20 dmg. I do get some nice lucky hits for 120 every now and then, but they are few and far between.
I'd rather it explode into a large area effect that hits 30-50 9/10 of the time then it having the potential to one-shot a player 1/10 of the time, because it's that 1/10 of the time that ruins the players day. And yeah, comparatively it's a forgiving ability unlike the Chili Bean or Potato Mine.
One shots in games are basically the game engine saying: "What's that, you were standing here? DEAD. Respawn and git gud scrublord."
Ugh.
Morbid
10 years ago
As someone who mastered him... His shield is 100% gimp... It's like 25 dmg and then it pops. The cool down is way to long for it. His damage is OK at best and can be out damaged by the football player. Not counting imp punt or tackle.
Rhendyr
10 years ago
The_Masked_Doll, it's probably more like a 1/50 chance of one shotting, if not more. You have to get a perfect hit on someone, and for it to be a 'true' one shot, they have to be at full health, and there's only a couple toons in the game that can be 1 shot for 120 dmg.
Anonymous
10 years ago
@Morbid wrote:
As someone who mastered him... His shield is 100% gimp... It's like 25 dmg and then it pops. The cool down is way to long for it. His damage is OK at best and can be out damaged by the football player. Not counting imp punt or tackle.
This is exactly what I was talking about. If he can't take damage, he can't survive seeing as most of his body is a crit spot. His shield should be able to take a good amount of damage before going into a 30 sec cooldown. Either increase the shield hp or drastically reduce the cooldown because 30 seconds for a 25 hp shield is just stupid. I see many people talking on here talking about going against him, but not many people talking about playing him and should probably play him before passing judgement.

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