Gems grind rate is TOO slow

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@megraam wrote:
No, the rate of you getting 20 gems quests is much lower than 1 per day, it's more one per week even if you use the renew quest all the time and it could be a 30 gems cornucopia shill. 100 gems quest is now set to monthly basis. You just got one on 21st, right?
Also to get all 8 quests daily you have to be dedicated to the game to another extent, doing the quest in 3 hours frame it appears. Once you have got all 3, your timer stops and you are wasting time. Even 10 minutes wasted means you won't do 8 quests this day, only 7.
And to buy a pack you need 2 20 gems quests DAILY so I have asked him how us it possible, unless he is a cheater like grinningwhoever who gets 800 gems per week for several months.

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You're being very obtuse about this. You know that you can stack up to 3 quests, so that gives you over 8 hours to find a moment to play the game between each stack of 3 quests without losing any of your precious quest gems. In any case, you don't have to get all 80 gems. If you get over 50 you are still getting a pack every two days without counting any bonuses from ranked or special quests. If you care about that number being less than what you get in Hearthstone then your problem is that you are focusing on quantity as opposed to quality.

The question is, are you having fun with this game with the cards you have? If not, then getting more gems won't make it better for you because the only thing that will happen is that everyone else will ALSO get more gems and their decks will be better and you'll win and lose just as much as you are winning and losing right now, thus getting more gems would do nothing for you. It's not like playing with legendary cards is more fun than playing with cards of lesser rarity.

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@Gabochido wrote:

You're being very * about this. You know that you can stack up to 3 quests, so that give you over 8 hours to find a moment to play the game between each stack of 3 quests without losing any of your precious quest gems. In any case, you don't have to get all 80 gems. If you get over 50 you are still getting a pack every two days without counting any bonuses from ranked or special quests. If you care about that number being less than what you get in Hearthstone then your problem is that you are focusing on quantity as opposed to quality.

The question is, are you having fun with this game? If not, then getting more gems won't make it better for you because the only thing that will happen is that everyone else will ALSO get more gems and their decks will be better and you'll win and lose just as much as you are winning and losing right now, thus getting more gems would do nothing for you. It's not like playing with legendary cards is more fun than playing with cards of lesser rarity.

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No, you have a problem with math. In order to get 80 gems per 24 hours you have to play a quest before the 3rd one appears, otherwise you have a delay before another 3 hour timer starts.

You move your goalposts quite quickly, don't you? 1 pack per 2 days doesn't give you any sense of progress at all. It's too slow, like I have mentioned in my first post. You, since you have abused limited release droprate, don't understand it, you will understand it only once new card set comes out and they should really make it buyable only with new currency since you stockpile gems for it already while other players just build card pool from old cards.

Boosting the general droprate and gem grind is great for everyone, not only me. Yes, they will get better cards and so will I. Since my skill is better than their, I will win.

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@megraam wrote:

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@Gabochido wrote:

You're being very * about this. You know that you can stack up to 3 quests, so that give you over 8 hours to find a moment to play the game between each stack of 3 quests without losing any of your precious quest gems. In any case, you don't have to get all 80 gems. If you get over 50 you are still getting a pack every two days without counting any bonuses from ranked or special quests. If you care about that number being less than what you get in Hearthstone then your problem is that you are focusing on quantity as opposed to quality.

The question is, are you having fun with this game? If not, then getting more gems won't make it better for you because the only thing that will happen is that everyone else will ALSO get more gems and their decks will be better and you'll win and lose just as much as you are winning and losing right now, thus getting more gems would do nothing for you. It's not like playing with legendary cards is more fun than playing with cards of lesser rarity.

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No, you have a problem with math. In order to get 80 gems per 24 hours you have to play a quest before the 3rd one appears, otherwise you have a delay before another 3 hour timer starts.

You move your goalposts quite quickly, don't you? 1 pack per 2 days doesn't give you any sense of progress at all. It's too slow, like I have mentioned in my first post. You, since you have abused limited release droprate, don't understand it, you will understand it only once new card set comes out and they should really make it buyable only with new currency since you stockpile gems for it already while other players just build card pool from old cards.

Boosting the general droprate and gem grind is great for everyone, not only me. Yes, they will get better cards and so will I. Since my skill is better than their, I will win.

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You say someone else has a problem with math????? Ahahahahahahahahaha

That's the least of your problems. Try looking up the definition of "abuse" You haven't used it correctly yet.

Being an abuser of high droprate is still better than being a cheater who sets up a future date in his phone or a liar like you anyway.

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@megraam wrote:

No, you have a problem with math. In order to get 80 gems per 24 hours you have to play a quest before the 3rd one appears, otherwise you have a delay before another 3 hour timer starts.

You move your goalposts quite quickly, don't you? 1 pack per 2 days doesn't give you any sense of progress at all. It's too slow, like I have mentioned in my first post. You, since you have abused limited release droprate, don't understand it, you will understand it only once new card set comes out and they should really make it buyable only with new currency since you stockpile gems for it already while other players just build card pool from old cards.

Boosting the general droprate and gem grind is great for everyone, not only me. Yes, they will get better cards and so will I. Since my skill is better than their, I will win.

You're right, I made a mistake in how I calculated it. I guess you only have 6 hours. And yes I do move my goalposts, to fit what I feel is a good amount, specially given that this is the absolute minimum. You seem to be completely obsessed with absolute values so I'd like to know  why 1 pack every 2 days doesn't give you any sense of progress at all and it's too slow? This is a completely subjective feeling and yet you continue to go on about it as if it was some absolute mathematical value.

Another thing, if your skill is better, why aren't you winning now? Why do you keep complaining that you need more gems? It seems to be just for the sake of it.

Put on your developer hat on. What rate of progression is good in a game like this and why?

Take into account that giving people more isn't necessarily good for the game. One way to divide a customer base is into players who constantly need rewards (like you) and those who enjoy the game for what it is. For those who enjoy the game for what it is, it doesn't really matter what rewards you give them, the game will be equally fun. For those who need rewards to enjoy the game there needs to be a balance because the rewards need to matter and that means that they have to affect gameplay and if you give them all the gameplay elements too quickly, then there won't be any more things for them to aspire to and they will lose interest so giving them too much is counterproductive beyond the simple financial implications of nobody interested in paying for the game other than to donate to the developers.

1 pack in 2 days is too slow because actually as you can expect it's not 1 pack in 2 days. It's 23 packs in a month or so (after you get your first 23 packs fast). 

When you count the relative value 5k packs are the best but it takes a crazy amount of time to grind so the next amount is 2k packs. 

Minmaxers (okay, I am a minmaxer but there are a lot of people like me) won't be able to afford themselves wasting their gems on single packs. They will be saving for 2k pack but be frustrated they have to do it on a such slowly pace. Like me.

And while you grind your gems to this 2k pack you indeed don't have any progress at all. They can't remove the 2k pack now since it stimulates people to buy gems but it makes others to play a month with no progress at all.

I do win right now but it's too easy to overpower with p2w decks right now, or even worse, by those who haven't spent a dime yet have everything from ios version. The worst part here are heroes, since you can't build a competitive deck without a specific hero like knuckles, CC or prof. The only viable alternative is super brains or solar flare which are much worse.

No one expects anyone to get everything in a card game since there always are new expansions and card sets.

You were right the first time Gabo.

Let's say the quest board is empty, and then when a quest comes in you complete it in 5 minutes. At that point you have 8 hours and 55 minutes before the quests stop stacking.

For me, I get a quest around 10:30 every night. I finish it right away and then go to bed around 11:00. So, when I get up at 6:30 the next morning, the first thing I do is go to the bathroom, and squeeze out a couple megraams while I catch up on quests - with about an hour to spare. No time is wasted, and I end up with 700+ gems every week.

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@megraam wrote:

1 pack in 2 days is too slow because actually as you can expect it's not 1 pack in 2 days. It's 23 packs in a month or so (after you get your first 23 packs fast). 

When you count the relative value 5k packs are the best but it takes a crazy amount of time to grind so the next amount is 2k packs. 

Minmaxers (okay, I am a minmaxer but there are a lot of people like me) won't be able to afford themselves wasting their gems on single packs. They will be saving for 2k pack but be frustrated they have to do it on a such slowly pace. Like me.

And while you grind your gems to this 2k pack you indeed don't have any progress at all. They can't remove the 2k pack now since it stimulates people to buy gems but it makes others to play a month with no progress at all.

I do win right now but it's too easy to overpower with p2w decks right now, or even worse, by those who haven't spent a dime yet have everything from ios version. The worst part here are heroes, since you can't build a competitive deck without a specific hero like knuckles, CC or prof. The only viable alternative is super brains or solar flare which are much worse.

No one expects anyone to get everything in a card game since there always are new expansions and card sets.

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That's a good, respectful answer without hyperbole and only a little bit subjective. It's a shame you didn't start there and it took 8 pages to get to the actual problems you are having.

Problem 1) 2k and 5k packs make min/maxers (I'm one myself) suffer from not progressing because they feel the need to get the most (even though it's not really such a huge gain). I definitely agree with this and felt the same pain, but obviously I was doing it to myself for a greater gain. I think it might be best if they just removed those options and reduced the pack size to something like 500 and 1000 gems, and left the 2k and 5k packs as cash only. This reduces the psycological effect for us min/maxers while leaving the option for those who do want to spend some money. Another idea would be to have an option that combines gems and cash, for example 1000 gems + $7 for the 2K pack. That's very likely how many people purcahse the 2K and 5k packs anyway and it stops f2p players from feeling that they have to wait to get to 2K gems before getting new packs.

Problem 2) Unbalanced heroes. You are saying that you think that specific heroes are better than others. If this is true then it needs a rebalancing. I keep seeing threads about how each of the heroes seem to have some OP combination so I get the feeling that it's not as unbalanced as you seem to think. This is the kind of thing that should be discussed in the strategy section though because that's where people chime in with the best strategies on how to play each hero.

Problem 3) Mismatching. If you are getting matched against decks that are out of your league because they spent more money or have been playing longer, that definitely creates a bad experience. Giving everyone all the cards would certainly solve this, but, as I mentioned, that creates other problems. Getting more cards faster won't actually solve the problem as there will always be someone who has played more or spent more than you, though it might reduce it a bit, but what rate is the correct one. You didn't actually give an estimate of what rate you would be happy with. Even so, this wouldn't be at all necessary if you were just matched against people of the same level as you because then the games would be fair and would be enjoyable and fun.

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@GrinningRuiner wrote:

You were right the first time Gabo.

Let's say the quest board is empty, and then when a quest comes in you complete it in 5 minutes. At that point you have 8 hours and 55 minutes before the quests stop stacking.

For me, I get a quest around 10:30 every night. I finish it right away and then go to bed around 11:00. So, when I get up at 6:30 the next morning, the first thing I do is go to the bathroom, and squeeze out a couple megraams while I catch up on quests - with about an hour to spare. No time is wasted, and I end up with 700+ gems every week.

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Thanks Grinning! This is what happens when I try to do math and answer posts while at work! I really should concentrate on just one or the other.