Plants Suck

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@Zaheen1337 wrote:

I know some variations of Sunflower are deadly, or can be deadly.

But why can't Sunflower have warping abilities and a Shotugn and give zombies a taste of their own science? I'm trying to prove a point.

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I read your post and I agree it's evident that Plants need an offensive buff, reason being because originally when they were first designed it was for G&G solely to hold Zombies off the Garden. So they were intended to be more defensive, which is fine for every mode except Herbal Assault.

Anyway you are right Sunflower can be extremely deadly, Sun Pharaoh, Vampire Flower, Fire Flower to name a few. However you know what I find annoying, going to go revive someone and notice a zombie is coming your way. If it's an All Star you are good as dead from being tackled or receiving an Imp Punt, if it's a Super Brains then it's his fireball and Tornado to watch out for, if it's a Scientist it's game over and if it's an Imp mech well you are just *.

I would love to see the Sunflower get a more offensive ability or something she can use which is gives her a viable way to escape danger. Sunbeam is amazing, but places you in the ground. Now having a Sunbeam where you are mobile would be nice for some burst damage, obviously it's meter would be less than a solar flare,

I would love to see a Shotgun character type for the Plant side. I keep saying Ghost Pepper would be perfect for that, she's a fan fav and would really even the odds in that role. She had a mouth Scream which was ranged and very strong in PvsZ 2, perfect for a Shotgun class and would counter the Scientist beautifully in close range.

Ghost Pepper is what I've read too, I keep thinking it'll be Hypnoshroom or a tiny little Dandellion?

Even if they do give it to a new character, to me still most of the characters will be redundant and pointless to use. Soldier is still a great class but because the other zombies are so much better right now hardly anyone is using them.

In my opinion, from adding friends, and younger kids who have added me through the first game and the second, most of them have maxed Rose, and Electro Brains, most of the younger generation are playing all the broken classes, you can't blame them.

I feel like it is the more mature and experienced gamers who are playing Plants and struggling to combat the little kids, due to no fault of their own it doesn't even matter what class you use or how good you are most of the time. Zombies are capable of, generally speaking much higher vanquishes and streaks. I have no problem with losing, or even dying, but when you're dying to the same thing over and over again and you don't even stand a fighting chance that's when it's frustrating and that's what is driving players away.

Rose was broken, but so were some of the zombie classes, Rose is still great to use if you want to come onto the battlefield and say 'Ohh yeah, I'll slow that thing down and turn him to a Goat, then I'll die because my job is done.' Once your CC is gone, you're done. Any class shouldn't be so reliant on CC, none of the zombies are like that, the ones that are all hit like trucks. Someone recently mentioned that her CC should have been nerfed, and not her hitting potential, I'm starting to agree with that.

Slightly decreased damage and reworked CC would have fixed Rose, right now she's garbage and I'm not looking forward to levelling her up. All of me wishes I had played her non stop when she was broken but that really isn't my style.

I don't know if Zahneen1337 wanted me to post this or not but I've done so anyways.

A few ideas on how to improve the Chomper.

The Chomper has two problems

1. Digesting a zombie before he dies.
2. Facing and the confronting multiple zombies.

To fix the Chomper’s digestion rate problem it needs a new way eat zombies.

This is how I think it should be solved.

This is only given to chompers without spray types or belching weapons. I’m calling it the buffet bar. This digestion themed bar will show how many zombies can be swallowed by a Chomper before digestion, with a limit of 2 zombies. If the Chomper swallows 2 zombies the Chomper needs to sit and digest for the time of 7 seconds. If a Chomper swallows only one zombie the bar will go up to half way, and the Chomper will not be restricted in the use of abilities or his primary weapon. Also if no zombies are eaten during 3 seconds after swallowing a zombie, the bar will steadily drop until zero. If an impatient Chomper eats a zombie while the bar is 4th the way up or more the bar will max out and force them to digest. This buff will help out with the problem of zombies paring up in groups too.

(When zombies group together.)

This is for all the chompers. We give him a second burrow. Now before you think that it is OP let me describe it. When underneath a zombie (through the burrow ability) you click the burrow button again in which you pop up half way pulling the zombie down into the ground. The zombie will be swallowed and digested at the end of the second burrow. Through this means that you can’t eat another zombie through the use of the second burrow because you have a zombie still in the Chomper’s mouth.

I dont mind it here, but I meant to say take a look at page 5 on here, read it, and then amends yours and post it on that Megathread.

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@Shinobicap wrote:

Plants don't suck. It's the people playing plants that suck.  I feel like all the 5-10 year olds are playing plants, so if I want a half functional team I must play zombies.

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Face facts Sages, you switch to Zombies because you hate losing. It's okay to admit that Plants sucky sucky and you want to continue steamrolling everyone on the plants side by changing over to the zombies.

It is the 5-10 year olds that team change and quit, and fundamentally the reason Plants keep losing due to team stacking. Lower skilled players are incapable of playing Plants due to the lower health, lower damage output and well in my opinion, poorly balanced side.

Everyone wants to be attacking and winning, nobody likes losing, and your post just proves you're another zombie lover who wants to continue team changing and stomping all over the plants! You don't care about game balance.

The only players who care about balance are the ones agreeing with this fact. Everyone else is a zombie lower and wants to continue steamrolling plants, and it's killing the player base. If only they realised how much damage it is causing, but nah, all they care about is their K/D 🙂

Chomper is already good and balanced.

Really, don't buff her. At best give a decent goop and revert to the old entangle and give a tiny damage reduction while eating.

The only problem chomper has is to be the only short range class of the plants. It's the only frontline.

@AlexP1980

For something to be good and balanced it needs to be on par with everything else in both defence and offence, Chomper isn't.

Now that Chomper needs to attack, it needs to be able to kill more than one Zombie without getting dealt with, sure it's good at defending, and that's what it was designed for in GW1. Since then all its had is a Goop nerf, Burrow breakdown camera issues and to me, a useless new ability that only kills an Imp when it should be killing Soldiers and Superheroes.

- Digestion Damage Reduction to 50%
- Bite Damage Increase to 35
- Burrow Damage Invunerability

- Health Increase to 250
- Chomp Cannon Damage Increase to 150

These changes still make the Chomper vulnerable, can still easily die after Chomping someone, just doesn't die in 2 seconds flat anymore which will allow other Plants to heal and support the front line attackers. I like these numbers, and the only players who will oppose these suggestions are, you guessed it...Zombie lovers.

@Zaheen1337

The point is that chomper is actually good and what I really don't want to see in the next patch is an op chomper (to add even more frustration to the players).
Chomper is good as it is, could be tuned a little but that is all.

The main problem of gw2 imho is the game design. Maps and plants was designed in gw1 having in mind the idea of an unstoppable swarm of zombies that plants as only to slow down.

Changing the map design and giving to plants an attacking role needed a real rework of plants design. Cacti is the weakest class by far, useless 90% of time not because the maths, but because what he is excellent at (sniping) is not that important anymore (just to make an example).

@AlexP1980

Yes, why do you think Zombies have more health and better attacking firepower, close range shotguns etc? Why do you think most of the Plants have longer ranged and more defensive abilities. Peashooter Gatling, Sunflowers Sunbeam, Cactus Mines and Tallnuts, Chompers Spikeweeds, the whole class is designed to suit a defensive role.

Chomper isn't fine anymore when you're trying to use it to attack, please read my edited post above to understand why. OP Chomper is what Plants need to take over capture points and attack OP Zombies. What are you suppose to do with him, walk around the entire map just to get one kill for them to respawn and kill you? Or walk through the middle and die before you reach half way?

Please try and understand the logic behind the madness.

Citron, Corn and Rose have been added, but are they strong enough and capable enough to combat a team full of Zombies? Rose is a joke now. Citron is weak, Corn is alright.

You can play any Zombie and attack/defend with it, you should be able to do the same with every Plant.

@Zaheen1337

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@Zaheen1337 wrote:

@AlexP1980

Chomper isn't fine, please read my edits post above to understand why. OP Chomper is what Plants need to take over capture points and attack OP Zombies.

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No, OP chomper is what is needed to mess the game even more.

First: I don't want balaced teams. I want balanced classes where every class is viable at least.

I don't want to be forced to choose between 2 op classes if I want to win. Giving that power to chomper will make it a BEAST in defense. Imagine having 4-5 in a team, I see little differences than having 4-5 super brainz.