Re: New ability suggestions

Disregard my question about the damage on the infini nut.

Man I need to read thoroughly before I ask questions :/

We need some sort of Goop to replace the cheesy goop.  It was great for spray chompers in GW1.

Well if make you any happier, we did see a new ability for Chomper in a live from Popcap episode.

Yeah, I had noticed that one too. I'm really hoping we get some good variety of abilities that are different, like giving the Engineer his drone back so you can have a choice and build your character the way you want.

It's kinda like your Jalapeño idea, but I always thought a pretty funny idea for a Chili Bean Bomb alternative would be a Molotov Cattail.  Instead of an explosion it would just set an area of the ground on fire for a short time - a great crowd control ability that could effectively, ahem, "encourage" the Zombies to vacate Capture Zones.  And, much like how the Sombrero Bean Bomb would say "¡Arriba!" on activation, the Molotov Cattail could have a little Russian accent and say "Da svidaniya, comrade!"

I'd say electric damage would be enhanced, so if you see a cactus using it you could swap out to an electric character and disable it faster.

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@TVJunkieXbox wrote:

It's kinda like your Jalapeño idea, but I always thought a pretty funny idea for a Chili Bean Bomb alternative would be a Molotov Cattail.  Instead of an explosion it would just set an area of the ground on fire for a short time - a great crowd control ability that could effectively, ahem, "encourage" the Zombies to vacate Capture Zones.  And, much like how the Sombrero Bean Bomb would say "¡Arriba!" on activation, the Molotov Cattail could have a little Russian accent and say "Da svidaniya, comrade!"

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Isn't that essentially what the Jalapeno does in PvZ? I think instead of Crimson's idea, it should behave like the Scientist's Cheese Warp or All Star's Tackle and clear everything out in a straight line ahead and set them on fire for 5 seconds. That would be more in line with what it does in PvZ.

I'd also replace Crimson's infini-nut idea with an umbrella leaf to protect from overhead attacks and drone strikes. Requiring people to use a specific type of damage to remove a barrier faster, which they may not have access to due to luck of the draw... is not something I support. Remember, electric variants need to be unlocked first... and not everyone will have that unlocked.

Just got the idea for a "vampire heal beam" for the scientist that would replace his heal station with a beam that attaches to ENEMIES and leeches their health to heal him. Would be fun to get in close, latch on with a beam and drain someone of their life force right?

In all honesty, I'd much rather they just come up with a vampire zombie, than give the scientist class a vampire beam.

Also think of how OverPowering that would be to have a CQC character to fight close quarters while sucking their life force.

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@xcrimsonlegendx wrote:

Just got the idea for a "vampire heal beam" for the scientist that would replace his heal station with a beam that attaches to ENEMIES and leeches their health to heal him. Would be fun to get in close, latch on with a beam and drain someone of their life force right?

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@This needs to be a thing! suggest it to @JA_Weibe on Twitter. If you can't I'll do it for you. And I'll give credit where it's due.

also just think of chemist with that.

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@CabbageheadPHD wrote:

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@xcrimsonlegendx wrote:

Just got the idea for a "vampire heal beam" for the scientist that would replace his heal station with a beam that attaches to ENEMIES and leeches their health to heal him. Would be fun to get in close, latch on with a beam and drain someone of their life force right?

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@This needs to be a thing! suggest it to @JA_Weibe on Twitter. If you can't I'll do it for you. And I'll give credit where it's due.

also just think of chemist with that.

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No it shouldn't be a thing. Scientists are already arguably one of the most overpowered characters... allowing them to shoot you and drain your life while healing themself would basically ruin the game.

I got a ability idea, tell me if you like it, and if I forgot any features.

Imp-Visible
Replaces Impkata
(Unlockable)
(Ability)
Effects
When you activate the ability you turn invisible for 5 seconds.
You explode when ability ends. (you don't die) (Small Explosion)
If an enemy is hit by the explosion they take 15% increased damage for 3 seconds.
You move 20% faster while invisible .
You take 10% increased damage while invisible .
You can’t attack while invisible.
You can’t deactivate it after you start it.
Using jetpack doesn't reveal you.
You can call down your mech but you can’t use it until you become visible again. (it will land near you.)
You can't use any other abilities while cloaked.
You aren’t slowed by goop but you are still covered with it.
EMPeach gets rid of cloak. and stuns you for 1 second.
When you become visible you deal 20% decreased damage for 3 seconds.
You still make noises while invisible.
There is a .5 second delay before you become invisible
(Imp grabs a controller and pushes a button then vanishes

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@AWMaxSterling wrote:

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@CabbageheadPHD wrote:

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@xcrimsonlegendx wrote:

Just got the idea for a "vampire heal beam" for the scientist that would replace his heal station with a beam that attaches to ENEMIES and leeches their health to heal him. Would be fun to get in close, latch on with a beam and drain someone of their life force right?

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@This needs to be a thing! suggest it to @JA_Weibe on Twitter. If you can't I'll do it for you. And I'll give credit where it's due.

also just think of chemist with that.

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No it shouldn't be a thing. Scientists are already arguably one of the most overpowered characters... allowing them to shoot you and drain your life while healing themself would basically ruin the game.

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Counter-Argument: When garden warfare hit 8 million players, it showed a list of most played characters most used ability and scientist isn't even on there! Meaning he's the least played class. Also it wouldn't heal you at a rate of 30 Health per second it would heal you at 7-8 heath per second. heck maybe lower... Also since you have Camo Ranger as your picture I suspect you play foot soldier.... He's MUCH more of a problem...heck he's been spawned 2x more than all star. And God knows how much more than scientist. 

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@CabbageheadPHD wrote:

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@AWMaxSterling wrote:

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@CabbageheadPHD wrote:

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@xcrimsonlegendx wrote:

Just got the idea for a "vampire heal beam" for the scientist that would replace his heal station with a beam that attaches to ENEMIES and leeches their health to heal him. Would be fun to get in close, latch on with a beam and drain someone of their life force right?

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@This needs to be a thing! suggest it to @JA_Weibe on Twitter. If you can't I'll do it for you. And I'll give credit where it's due.

also just think of chemist with that.

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No it shouldn't be a thing. Scientists are already arguably one of the most overpowered characters... allowing them to shoot you and drain your life while healing themself would basically ruin the game.

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Counter-Argument: When garden warfare hit 8 million players, it showed a list of most played characters most used ability and scientist isn't even on there! Meaning he's the least played class. Also it wouldn't heal you at a rate of 30 Health per second it would heal you at 7-8 heath per second. heck maybe lower... Also since you have Camo Ranger as your picture I suspect you play foot soldier.... He's MUCH more of a problem...heck he's been spawned 2x more than all star. And God knows how much more than scientist. 

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1.) It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that a scientist character is the close quarter character of the zombies... and probably does the most damage, especially if they have a side effect like fire or toxic. Add on top of that the ability to both take away more health from them and regain your own... is SERIOUSLY overpowered. 

2.) Just because a character is least played doesn't mean he's not OP. It just means that people prefer shooting at you from across the map because they're chicken * about their K/D ratio. That's why the Camo Ranger is an issue to many.

3.) My foot soldier is my lowest ranked zombie. I'm level 40 on All Star and Scientist. Engineer is next highest... so you suspected wrong. 

While I see your point and I'm quite surprised you arn't a foot soldier. and he can be pest at sometimes, he takes skill to use, sure you can just blindly run into battle, you can also be sneaky, surprising characters he can very powerful. (If In the right hands) But I don't think he's over powered.

Also I'm guessing Popcap can find a way to balance the beam well.

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@AWMaxSterling wrote:

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@CabbageheadPHD wrote:

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@xcrimsonlegendx wrote:

Just got the idea for a "vampire heal beam" for the scientist that would replace his heal station with a beam that attaches to ENEMIES and leeches their health to heal him. Would be fun to get in close, latch on with a beam and drain someone of their life force right?

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@This needs to be a thing! suggest it to @JA_Weibe on Twitter. If you can't I'll do it for you. And I'll give credit where it's due.

also just think of chemist with that.

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No it shouldn't be a thing. Scientists are already arguably one of the most overpowered characters... allowing them to shoot you and drain your life while healing themself would basically ruin the game.

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Actually it would probably be pretty well balanced, just as the Vampire Sunflower has only 75 health to compensate for her health stealing I'm sure a vampire scientist could be balanced the same. Possibly by giving it less health or reduced damage.

@xcrimsonlegendx I just realized that me and you use almost the exact same loadout, I use Chemist and I use the Pink Camo and I wear the swirling glasses... I'm not Kidding. This is how I've customized my chemist.

What abilities do you run?

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@CabbageheadPHD wrote:

@xcrimsonlegendx I just realized that me and you use almost the exact same loadout, I use Chemist and I use the Pink Camo and I wear the swirling glasses... I'm not Kidding. This is how I've customized my chemist.

What abilities do you run?

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Currently, the Chester heal station because it heals the fastest, default warp and default sticky balls.

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@xcrimsonlegendx wrote:

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@CabbageheadPHD wrote:

@xcrimsonlegendx I just realized that me and you use almost the exact same loadout, I use Chemist and I use the Pink Camo and I wear the swirling glasses... I'm not Kidding. This is how I've customized my chemist.

What abilities do you run?

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Currently, the Chester heal station because it heals the fastest, default warp and default sticky balls.

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Man me and you are like twins.

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@xcrimsonlegendx wrote:

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@AWMaxSterling wrote:

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@CabbageheadPHD wrote:

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@xcrimsonlegendx wrote:

Just got the idea for a "vampire heal beam" for the scientist that would replace his heal station with a beam that attaches to ENEMIES and leeches their health to heal him. Would be fun to get in close, latch on with a beam and drain someone of their life force right?

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@This needs to be a thing! suggest it to @JA_Weibe on Twitter. If you can't I'll do it for you. And I'll give credit where it's due.

also just think of chemist with that.

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No it shouldn't be a thing. Scientists are already arguably one of the most overpowered characters... allowing them to shoot you and drain your life while healing themself would basically ruin the game.

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Actually it would probably be pretty well balanced, just as the Vampire Sunflower has only 75 health to compensate for her health stealing I'm sure a vampire scientist could be balanced the same. Possibly by giving it less health or reduced damage.

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I thought this thread was about adding abilities. Now you're talking about a new scientist variant, which is a different discussion and belongs in your other thread. Slapping a vampire beam on any scientist will not work. You can't treat it like the Vampire Sunflower because that is their primary attack and not an ability... and you can adjust health on one specific unique variant... but you can't handicap all scientists because not everyone may use that vampire beam.

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@AWMaxSterling wrote:

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@xcrimsonlegendx wrote:

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@AWMaxSterling wrote:

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@CabbageheadPHD wrote:

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@xcrimsonlegendx wrote:

Just got the idea for a "vampire heal beam" for the scientist that would replace his heal station with a beam that attaches to ENEMIES and leeches their health to heal him. Would be fun to get in close, latch on with a beam and drain someone of their life force right?

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@This needs to be a thing! suggest it to @JA_Weibe on Twitter. If you can't I'll do it for you. And I'll give credit where it's due.

also just think of chemist with that.

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No it shouldn't be a thing. Scientists are already arguably one of the most overpowered characters... allowing them to shoot you and drain your life while healing themself would basically ruin the game.

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Actually it would probably be pretty well balanced, just as the Vampire Sunflower has only 75 health to compensate for her health stealing I'm sure a vampire scientist could be balanced the same. Possibly by giving it less health or reduced damage.

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I thought this thread was about adding abilities. Now you're talking about a new scientist variant, which is a different discussion and belongs in your other thread. Slapping a vampire beam on any scientist will not work. You can't treat it like the Vampire Sunflower because that is their primary attack and not an ability... and you can adjust health on one specific unique variant... but you can't handicap all scientists because not everyone may use that vampire beam.

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Just as the Unicorn chomper has a unique ability, a scientist could also. Variants/Abilities are kind of a thing, I was just kind of feeding off your comment about wanting a vampire character so I adapted the conversation to reflect that. Still talking about abilities.

The vampire sunflower works because it is one character variant with that ability... not the entire class. You can adjust the health because he is the only one with that vampire ability. 

I'm fine with a vampire scientist with health handicap as long as that attack stays on one scientist variant. I don't want all my scientist's health handicapped because of one ability.

Apparently the deluxe edition packs have unique abilities for Super Brainz and Kernal Korn. The multi-ball and Bigger butter.