The Imp Mech...

Pea Gatling actually completely destroys mechs. Mechs have to actively avoid a pea gatling or it's a guaranteed death head to head. I get that mechs can seem a little over-whelming when they're all dropping at once and you're not a peashooter, but having a plant that completely wrecks mechs so easily kind of balances it out. As for scientists as far as I can tell they are the same from Garden Warfare 1. Damage numbers seem the same, abilities (with the exception of the heal beam) are the same, movement speed and magazine size are the same. Scientists are just as balanced as they ever were and really easy to avoid getting killed by. I'm not saying the game is perfect, and I could see how the mechs could get overwhelming if you're not a peashooter, but scientists I will never understand the complaints. They're so easy to handle and avoid getting killed by most of the time. Electro Brainz I can't disagree with. His chain damage is really high (18 full upgraded I believe). I'm not saying they should make him a bad character but with such a constant string of damage that adds up quick to people standing close together. Having said that though, there are situations and games where Electro Brainz won't get many kills at all since he's so heavily reliant on his chain damage. If you're not finding people to chain off of, his beams direct hit is pretty weak and you'll lose most head to heads.

@WaxHalfling I'm not saying it's like impossible or anything to defeat a mech. But you exhaust your resources (abilities) in doing so. And there's the rest of zombie team with that mech too. It's not like a one on one thing. And the plants primaries are only meant to deal with a normal character, not a mech. You have your whole Plant team dumping abilities into the mechs because they just gave them 400 hp. That's like taking down 4 scientists. There's no tip-toeing around the fact that that's a lot. And then the other zombies on top of that. It's too exhausting in terms of resources to the plant side to take on Mechs and the normal guys on top of that. There's no actual counter to the mech on the plant side. As in I mean there's no equivalent. So it's obviously a lot more stress on the plant side, stress that you can't do to the zombies because you simply have nothing like that. 

In my opinion its a bad design to give something like that to one side. And I kind of think it's just a bad design overall. The mech throws the necessity of ability damage and primary damage on the plant side for a total loop. It really does. You can't simply tune the plants primaries to down a mech without making it overkill on a normal character, and Vice versa. It's tuned the take down normal characters, not a mech... 

The mech isn't the problem its those tiny imps with 75 lives that are the problem always spamming gravity gernades and impkata. I want to see a plant that has something to push all zombies together and auto aim and have 100% accuracy with 1 press. 

A lot of people are quick to judge the Mech because of it's stature and health, but it's pretty much a death sentence against a team of plants who actually pay attention to it. You can summon and get destroyed within 2 seconds of summoning around multiple plants or a sunflower, Citron and or Pea can solo wait for you and get in their gatling mode (or for citron stun) and take you on themselves. Not to mention it takes a long time to exit the vehicle...

Also what makes you say scientists are stronger in this game than they were in GW1? Aside from that upgrade for long range. I'm actually curious. Cause if you mean speed boast, that's given to pretty much everyone. Same with damage upgrade...but even so the damage and speed buff isn't extremely different...it'll be like a extra 3-5 point difference. But I guarantee it doesn't make the scientist that much more deadly...a good scientist player is a good scientist player.

@MoonLiteWolf

He's not commenting on the Mech after a day into the beta is he? Everything he's saying is logical. Nobody is judging it, and saying oh well X kills it, and Y and Z can tag team it doesn't really justify why it has double the health anything else does. 

You say it can be destroyed in 2 seconds, but it can also rampage and destroy half the plants team if it isn't focus fired, and whilst that is being focus fired all the other zombies are having a field day.

Both teams should have access to ridiculous abilities if it gives one team an unfair advantage, and that goes for CC abilities too. Hard counters only work if you're in the right place at the right time, with the right class and assuming you're on full health and the ability isn't on cool down and that's also assuming you're not visible to anyone else whilst you root yourself into the ground.

I'm not backing him up because I'm unable to deal with one, when I see one coming my way I run and hide.

People also claim that it's possible to burrow when you see a solider shooting a ZPG, or when Super Brainz shoots his fireball. It's all just trash talk because the animation to burrow after you see someone doing all these is slower, and it's the same for a Mech. I was lucky enough to chomp an Imp just as the beam came down as he called the Mech and he called it after I burrowed, to save himself...if I wasn't close to him he would have got in the Mech in time and I bet he has done it many times before.

The class in general is ridiculous, even if he had 25 Health it still wouldn't justify having a ridiculous CC like that. Anyway let's not discuss his health, it's not fair to compare Imp and a Mechs health with the damage output of a Pea Gatling.

That is like giving Chomper 500 health and saying, "It is fine because an Engineers Bolt Blaster can wreck him still." Difference here is, Chomper has no range whereas the Mechs, most of them at least can shoot across the map and kill you in seconds.

I simply think it's an added stress to the plant side, unnecessarily, and unless you all band together to take it down quick, it's a pain. Even banding together to take one down takes the attention off of all the other zombies around. There's nothing the plant side can do to actually force the attention of the zombie team to unify against it like a Mech can. There simply isn't. So I think it's a bad design choice. Especially when only one side has it. 

I think it's a cool concept, I can see why they wanted to add it. But it throws balance to the wind and it will always be that way. This game, GW2, would have been a lot better off keeping it strictly to normal characters. Putting in Mechs with multiple times the HP of a normal character is a mistake if you don't give the other team a fair counter. There's no fair counter to it. 

I have to dump my abilities on it. It takes like a whole Solar Flare to take one down. It's presence automatically gives the zombie team a big advantage. Having the plant team dump their abilities into this one thing, focus their attention to it, leaves the Plants weak. The zombies around them have their abilities. They get to keep them. The plant primaries only go so far. Most fights, if it was just normal character vs normal character, are tuned with the inclusion of their abilities. If I don't have them then I'm at a huge disadvantage and it's my primary against zombies with abilities plus their primary, then you lose. And you get pushed back further and further. I don't quite get how it can be defended without a clear cut counter or equivalent to it. I see it as an unnecessary stress. It's definitely a stress. You can't act like it's not one. 

And welcome back Zaheen. I thought you were gone.

@XMalakhX

Well I'm sort of back, for a day or so heh. 

I ordered the parts for my car but it might be starter motor or something else, thought I'd have a quick peek at these addictive forums as a break...

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@ShavedThronel0 I'm not saying nerf the Mech. I never said that anywhere in here... It's more symbolic than anything. The need to put something in the game that goes beyond what is necessary just for the sake of their slogan, Bigger something Bigger. And only for one side without giving the other anything to compensate for it. 

I think it's a pretty insurmountable advantage given to the zombie side. That pre-nerf Rose was basically the only thing that could do that to the zombie team. All I know is that as a Plant I have not seen the end of a Turf Wars Map for their side in a long long time, and I don't see it changing. They are pretty stacked. And the MP is boring as hell. Every time I play as a zombie we really stampede the plants. Like beating turf wars maps in just under 20 mins. 

If mechs couldn't control a hill/ capture a point, I'd be happy. For the most part, they aren't THAT effective. It's just annoying when you have more than 1 capping. Yes, they will die pretty quickly because everyone is focusing on  them, but it's almost an assured capture.