Trouble in Zombopolis - Part Two Discussion!

Balancing

To everyone who thinks this game isn't balanced, it has never been balanced. It can never be balanced either until everyone playing has access to the same ****. It sure as hell wasn't balanced in the first game but game modes were one sided so it didn't matter as much, and it sure as hell won't ever be balanced in any sequels. 

It is really that SIMPLE.

Good ideas!🙂

Here's what i think about the new "balancings" 

-The basic Kernel Corn didn't need some buffs, he should get only ~38 to 40~ for his magasine capacity (but the ammo upgrade could be of 6 instead of 5)

If he has 38 of ammunitions, he could get the new buff damage and if he doesn't he should get the same damage as he had before the patch.

-The basic Citron and the Ice Citron do far too much damage and their overheat time is too powerful.

-If you want to buff basic Rose magasine capacity, it should be ~22 to 26~ not more.(and according to me, she was alright before this new patch)

-The astronaut has too much ammuntions. It was already a good variant but now it's way too much effecitve.

-The pylon imp got a excessive nerf, he should get ~20 to 24~ ammunitions instead of the half of what he had.

-The scuba soldier didn't really need a nerf

-Camo Cactus is now extremly useless. It it not even able to take down a 125 HP characters in two shots (and this is THE good point of this variant). It needs a 63 damages (and have a damage upgrade that inscreases its non critical shots (from ~4 to 6~) Its impact damage should be buff instead of nerfed because the difference critical/ non citrical shots is too big according to the other cactus. It should do ~36 to 40~.

The rest of the patch isn't that bad 🙂 Good job for Ice Rose (now she is playable), Chomp Thing, the Commando Pea, the Artic Trooper, the Mechanic engineer and the overall nerf of the overheat upgrades ! Those are nice to see.

I'm overall quite happy both with the new updates and the game in general. When it launched it had some serious technical issues but the lion's share of those are addressed now. Some still exist but it's good to see the most glaring problems getting dealt with.

Balancing a game with so many characters (over 100!) isn't easy and since the game uses asymmetrical factions that makes it even more difficult since unlike TF2, Battleborn, or Overwatch, the teams do not have access to the exact same characters. The game is more balanced than it was but I expect we will be seeing more balancing in future patches. A lot of the community complaints are related to balancing and it's a crucial aspect of a competitive team-based shooter like this game.

I was surprised that the old Cacti got nerfed since one would feel that the variants from GW1 would be close to the median performance level at launch, much less this far along the game's cycle of release patches. I was glad to see Breakfast Brainz get buffed though.

Adding more stuff to the backyard battleground is always welcome. The delivery quests were enjoyable if difficult to get S ranks in them all. I hope to see it expand even more, it need to be larger and have more places to decorate!

For the future I am really curious about the gnomes and the portal inside city hall. As a fan of both GW1 and GW2 and knowing that the gnomes deal with time, I really want to see the old maps return in some form. I like both the old and new maps and would love to see the old maps with the new characters!

Great game, good fun, easy to get into, friends are playing it so even us older gamers can really enjoy this game. Just need balance to be closer overall and to see the return of the old gestures and other aspects of GW1 to make GW2 more encompassing of the best aspects of both games.

I've done some balancing improvements. Please, read it and tell me if you liked that

http://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Characters-balancing-features/m-p/5433665#U5433665

So after playing for awhile i can say that while the battery really needed a health buff i think you guys buffed it too much because now it's very hard for plants to win the final section on zombopolis

I agree 100% with everything in the balance change except:

- tank commander nerf : no clue why he got nerfed, Scuba is still better and easier, although T.C with better projectile speed is better for taking direct hits if you're good and accurate, means only good players play him over Scuba.

- cactus nerf: she deserved a buff in first place? At least buff her abilities.. They are SO useless in some game-modes

- chomper nerfs. Ehm okay, but fix his upgrade system. Make digestion upgrade fill one slot and buff the bad variants at least!

- pirate nerfs: Flameface and Partyman were pretty bad. I see Sharkbite have the ammo nerf, but give him splash damage back (only splash, not direct)

- all star nerfs: he was one of the worst character in game, except Tennis Star.

TLDR: these characters are played only by expert. Maybe that's why their K/D is higher, but not a good reason to nerf them.

Default and Ice Citron still deserve some nerf on their weapon.
- Frozen Citron need a nerf on freeze rate

- And default less damage at range (possibly splash damage buff reverted too) He's too effective as a sniper

GW2 is becoming even more unforgiving because of all the unnecessary balancing that's going on all the time. I have a few things to point out, mentioned below.

Rose class: Since the homing abilities and original health for the Rose class were unnecessarily nerfed (by my standards), you have to do something about improving that class, so that they'll be more able to take down Zombies bosses quicker. I suggest allowing the primary weapons of the Rose class to automatically aim for the zombie bosses' critical spot, damaging them much faster. Especially against Mech Gargantuars, where the Rose class struggles the most at, time-wise. Without this much needed fix, the class will be pretty much useless against the zombie bosses in the long run.

Cactus class: Revert the ammunition and critical hit damage back to TIZ part one standards. I'm against the ammunition reduction on some of the cacti. I'm against reducing the overall damage of Camo Cactus' Camo Shot. If you want us [the gamers] to use that class more, give that class more buffs rather than nerfs.

Superhero class: The aim-and-fire ability for that class can be rather difficult to get used too. Sometimes, their aim-and-fire damage isn't high enough to take down an average AI plant. I kinda hate the reduced firing rate for Electro Brainz's punches.

Pirate class: Reducing the ammo capacity for Partyman and Sharkbite just makes them more unreliable to live with; I always prefer "more ammunition is best" for those two.

Soldier class: Reducing the area of effect damage for Tank Commander? I hate that. His Sabot rockets are supposed to have a large area of effect damage; I don't see any positivity on nerfing his shots. The Sky Trooper could do with a slightly reduced rate of fire, because his weapon chews up ammo far too quickly.

Engineer class: About the reduced size of the Plumber's splash damage, the description for him says his plunger weapon does generous splash damage. If you're reducing his splash damage size, you'll have to modify his description in Character select, to keep in line with his use of the plunger weapon.

Scientist class: A minor one: the image for the Astronaut has not yet been updated to reflect his stickerbook image. At the moment, his image is identical to that of the standard Scientist before an older patch launched a few months ago.

I can't really decide what else needs changing if a future patch for GW2 were to come. What do you think?

My "balancing" post was deleted for no reason, so I made a new one. Click here to see it.