What characters do you think need a buff?

I'm going to name the one I feel needs the most help; Chomper.

Now I really like how Chomper feels in BfN. He's no longer essentially an assassin and for many players (on purpose or on accident) the term 'suicide chomper' exists for a reason. Nothing was more aggravating than trying to bite a zombie and they turn a fraction of a degree and suddenly you're chomping them and stuck in that swallow animation. Goop in BfN is extremely useful as zombies caught in it take minor damage after the 34 initial tick, can't use abilities or sprint while in the cloud, and after leaving they can't regenerate as the small DoT ticks on and it can affect other nearby zombies as well. I also like that you can shoot now so zombies can't hide on roofs like foot soldiers did in GW1 all the time. GW2 had the chomp cannon which was a fun little trick, but it replaced goop so wasn't always available.

That being said, I feel that he could use some oomph. The biggest issue Chomper has is Spikeweed. It's nice you can launch it so you aren't so predictable and I'm glad you can't abuse it like in GW2 where it instantly armed so you could immediately chomp someone, it has to arm like it did in GW1. But it's not very useful in BfN. I would do the following to make spikeweed more useful:

Make it more accurate. It can be hard to place it very precisely and can end up in a poor position.
Fix the bugs when it disappears into the floor. Some spots, like the 2 middle level areas in ooze-o-voir, the spikeweed just disappears into the floor, wasting the cooldown.
Give it more health. It's too easy to eliminate spikeweed right now. It's health should be increased a fair amount as you can causally remove it with ease as a zombie.
Give it more charges. 2 is insufficient, I would give it 3.

As for other possible buffs, perhaps faster in burrow, able to chomp those caught in spikeweed, or few other minor tweaks. Now that the Wizard has some counter play, Chomper is feeling less useful than before, and I feel Chomper already was under-performing. I've had some good matches with him on defense in TT and I love that I can't accidentally get stuck swallowing a zombie, and love the 50 XP for surviving the swallowing of a zombie, but at the very least, spikeweed needs a buff.

27 Replies

chogath_player
6 years ago
@Iron_Guard8 I'd say both Chomper and Sb need some buffs. It's way too easy to dodge their attacks. When they try to melee you you can sprint in the other direction and completely avoid damage. for characters with extremely limited range, you'd think that they would at least move faster than ranged characters. A movement speed buff for both characters is needed.

For Sb:
- buff turbo twister
Increase sb's movespeed while he is using turbo twister. As it is now it's not really worth using over super ultraball or just normal melee attacks.
(If it seems too op you could make it so its harder to turn another direction while it's being used)
- let the alpha shield speed boost apply when moving sideways

For chomper:
- bring back his oneshot chomp mechanic
I assume it was removed because at launch everyone did no dmg (and a melee charactcer having a oneshot ability would be op I guess?). Now that everyone kills eachother really fast it should come back. it's not like its easy to get behind people with chomper in bfn anyway
- increase chewing speed
same reason as the last buff really. I assume he chews for a long time because during founders noone did too much damage. now after he burrows someone he seemingly dies immediately afterwards.

It's way too easy to punish missed attacks on melee characters. should Sb' miss a single thing he dies. with chomper if he misses his attacks then he has to burrow away. if they moved faster than the extremely mobile shooty gun characters then they could actually get in close enough for hit reg to work.
Iron_Guard8
Legend
6 years ago
@chogath_player Good point on Super Brainz too. His hit registration is really hurting him right now as you can miss with punches that have damage numbers pop up and you obviously didn't miss, yet your target is undamaged. If they'd fix all the hit registration problems, that would at least help, I see it on melee attacks more than ranged these days.
GutmanSca
6 years ago
Right now, I'd say Super Brainz, Kernel Corn and All-Star. They are really not that much in the current experience and should be reviewed in a good way.
For Super Brainz, his movement & survivability. Turbo Twister would be perfect if it still had the buffs he previously give to SB in GW2 (1,25x speed and 50% damage reduction); Alpha Better Shield should have 200 HP and the same movement to all directions; his HP should be 175, just like Chomper and Snap Dragon, since he is their counterpart and is bigger than All-Star; they should focus on fixing hit detection, it's really annoying and makes him use his movement ability only to be able to hit enemies since it sucks then and stop movement for a little time; Ultra Ball should NOT LAG after it's use, it's really unfun to use as an ability in the ground in middle of fights because of this.
After the Buffs, a nerf in his current range on Heroic Fists, Flying Fists (71-50-22 to 50-30-15) (but bringing back his range from founders) and Hyper Jump Thump's damage or suck hitbox would be necessary.
For Kernel Corn, adding Dropoff is necessary and his damage should adapt to it, but his HP should be buffed to 150 like GW2, it's not necessary to nerf his HP since he is bigger than Soldier and other characters that have the same or more HP and survivability; Shuck Shot should have a rework, had a I previously mentioned in my big post about BfN, but if not, increasing the direct hit hitbox and buffing the "GW2 like" ability refresh timer are needed (28 sec to 22 sec); Butter Beacon's duration should be the same has before the balance changes that made Rocket Ride op; Husk Hop should NOT LAG after it's use, it's really unfun to use as an movement ability because of this.
Shogun Guard should have a Buff two, it's really not that great for 5 upgrade points and just a worse version of Kernel. Adding more precision, adapted dropoff and more movement and a better aiming view in his shield would be awesome, or just decrease his upgrade cost to 3 instead of 5.
All-Star should have his shield nerfs reverted; they should Buff Imp Punt's damage from 100 to 125; bring back his old precision but add dropoff and more gravity to his shots, just like GW2; Sprint tackle's passive should still be in the game, for some reason it isn't anymore.
shurikeninja
6 years ago
@Iron_Guard8 Super Brainz: GW2 Turbo Twister, HP 175. Would make him more in line with Snapdragon.
Buff Deadbeard's shotgun damage.
SS and Oak "rework".
That's it really. Maybe Kernel Corn HP buff to 150, to make him an equal to Soldier (as he is a bigger character).
Studman61
6 years ago
I think Chomper's spikeweeds need a serious buff. As of right now they are very small and slow to deploy. Think its needs half a second less of deployment and a 25% size increase so it can stop runners and actually block bottlenecks. I also think it needs to do something on a direct hit like a brief stun or even half the trap time and damage because them being a projectile just makes it harder to place them where you want to.
I also think Oak needs some looking at because compared to space station he gets much less from passengers and those passengers can be shot off of him unlike space station passengers. A general health increase or splitting the hardened upgrade less evenly towards oak or even give a 25 health increase per acorn would help along with a rework of one of his abilities (probably roll for damage) to block incoming fire because he lacks this where all the other tanks can.
Humpypants
6 years ago
sunflower and chomper
Whenever I play as plants I'm like "how did I keep getting 2 shotted every fight?"
Whenever I play zombies I'm like "how did I get 32 shotted that 1 time?"
Gormey
6 years ago
turbo twist is something you accidently hit that causes you to die in fights...no sane person would use it...it should be a feared ability for plants that group up in a tight spot.
Same as imp punt...buff needed so grouping up has a downside and results in 3 or 4 kills for the right zombie ability.
Remember how fun it was in gw2 to sneak behind a group of plants and drop the imp punt bad news? Or drop into chaotic fight with super brains and activate twister to become the clean up crew?
The4DAdvocate
6 years ago
@Iron_Guard8I think scientist doesn't play hes suppose to play, hes suppose to be a heavy hitter up close and a support second, however his pellets do more damage at range which gives his primary a very niche role of being a tank buster that may be able to kill a few plants at longer distances.
He also has way too much sustainability imo, warp at the very least should take 0.75 seconds to wind up and SHT should last for longer but give less hps.
mikepal19
6 years ago
Citron
Increase critical damage to 4. Keep regular damage to 3
Decrease peel out activation animation
Increase naval laser damage to 7 and critical to 8
Allow aim assist of naval laser using LT/L2
mikepal19
6 years ago
Oak
Decrease activation animation
Jump height increase (similar to the space station)
Get rid of the heal from acorns. Instead give them some sort of tree shield that can spin 360 to guard from all horizontal angles.
Make the sap traps from the acorns ability to fly (give it wings to make it more believable) and can be controlled manually. Oh and increase their damage the pitiful 60 to uhhh, I don't know, around 110 damage.
Get rid of the oaks super sap traps and replace it with him being able to hover and drop down wood particles beneath him, and make it have a ridiculous dps. Yeah, that sounds good.
Every acorn should also add addition health.a fully loaded oak should have 600+ health.
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