Hey, Pilots! We have made some changes to how Penalties work for people abandoning a multiplayer match in patch 2.0: First, in any multiplayer mode, abandoning the Briefing Room/Hangar (Lobby) before the match starts will get you a minor Leaver Penalty. Now for the match in-progress changes: Dogfight and Fleet Battles vs AI Abandoning a match in-progress will get you the following: Any progression during the match will not be recorded. This includes experience and daily challenges progression. A loss is given, but MMR will not be adjusted. Leaver Penalty. Fleet Battles vs AI allows players to rejoin within 2 minutes after abandoning. Players rejoining the match will not suffer the consequences described above. However, you cannot rejoin a Dogfight match once abandoned. On both modes, the game will attempt to backfill the match with a new player. For all the other players still in the match, the game will continue as usual. All progression and stats will be handled normally. Fleet Battles (ranked) Abandoning a match in-progress will get you the following unless you rejoin within 2 minutes: Any progression during the match will not be recorded. This includes experience and daily challenges progression. A loss is given, and only SR will be adjusted. MMR stays the same as before the abandonment. A significant Leaver Penalty. For all other players in that match: A forfeit voting system will get enabled. Once a player abandons a match in-progress, the affected team will be able to vote to surrender as a team. Players can vote only once during the match, and they won't be able to change their votes later. If all players vote yes, the voting team loses the game. The winning team gets full rewards and SR/MMR adjustments. The losing team gets full progression and a reduced SR/MMR adjustment based on the number of teammates that stayed until the end of the match (via surrender or via regular means). About Leaver Penalty Accumulating Leaver Penalty will get the player into Low Priority Queue (LPQ) for multiplayer matches. The LPQ might get the player to experience longer queue times. To clear the penalties and leave the LPQ, the player will need to complete a number of multiplayer matches proportional to his/her/their accumulated Leaver Penalty. So, the more the player abandons multiplayer matches, the more matches the player will need to complete to remove the Penalty.

A couple of questions: 1. Have you at least fixed the problem with co-op vs. AI where you automatically get dumped into the next match after the last instead of going back to the main menu? If not, everyone will get a leaver penalty because they can't leave the game at all!2. Also, have you fixed the issue of the match being "abandoned" if somebody leaves the game after the match during all the score and XP tallies or will one get a leaver penalty for it as well?3. Also, if you crash, can you now rejoin the game in progress you crashed out of for a certain amount of time so you won't get a leaver penalty?4. Does the leaver penalty decay or are you SOL forever once you crash enough to accumulate enough leaver penalties?

I'd like the idea of the leaver penalty, if it would work better. What I miss is Definite chance to reconnect, if dropped out of gameDifferentiation of why a user left a gamePlayer left on his own willPlayer was kicked out of match because of connectivity issuesPlayer dropped out because of a game bugI never want to leave a match, even if half my team drops out and I'm losing. But I still get penalties, because depending on when I'm playing the connections are not so stable. Possibly due to matchmaking with players on the other side of the world

@Straatford87 Is a leaver penalty applied when it was EA's server that dropped the connection?There have been a few instances where the game i'm in stops and i am dropped to the main menu. It states i can rejoin to avoid the penalty. However every attempt to 'Retry' connecting to EA's servers comes up with an error code and 'Try again'.While this is occuring, i am still talking to my friends on Discord and can browse to "is EA down" on my browser.. meaning my internet is fine and this is EA's issue.Every time i have successfully rejoined in time after multiple retry attempts.. but for the occasion where it won't ... what then?

Sorry Devs, but in my opinion, unless it is in the last 30 seconds before the game launches from the lobby, you should not get any leaver penalty for quitting from the Briefing Room. If you get put into an obviously lopsided match, why should you be penalised for leaving whilst there is time for replacements to be found?

Carrots work better than sticks. I never quit, but I'd rather see a bonus for a significant comeback than a penalty. (maybe that's because I never quit)if you close the gap from more than 30% to less than 5% you should get better progression than a standard loss, and if you close the gap and then win, you should get a bonus on top of the standard rewards.

Straatford87

DICE Team

5 years ago

Updates to Abandon Match Penalties

Hey, Pilots!

We have made some changes to how Penalties work for people abandoning a multiplayer match in patch 2.0:

First, in any multiplayer mode, abandoning the Briefing Room/Hangar (Lobby) before the match starts will get you a minor Leaver Penalty. Now for the match in-progress changes:

Dogfight and Fleet Battles vs AI

Abandoning a match in-progress will get you the following:

Any progression during the match will not be recorded. This includes experience and daily challenges progression.
A loss is given, but MMR will not be adjusted.
Leaver Penalty.

Fleet Battles vs AI allows players to rejoin within 2 minutes after abandoning. Players rejoining the match will not suffer the consequences described above. However, you cannot rejoin a Dogfight match once abandoned.

On both modes, the game will attempt to backfill the match with a new player.

For all the other players still in the match, the game will continue as usual. All progression and stats will be handled normally.

Fleet Battles (ranked)

Abandoning a match in-progress will get you the following unless you rejoin within 2 minutes:

Any progression during the match will not be recorded. This includes experience and daily challenges progression.
A loss is given, and only SR will be adjusted. MMR stays the same as before the abandonment.
A significant Leaver Penalty.

For all other players in that match: A forfeit voting system will get enabled. Once a player abandons a match in-progress, the affected team will be able to vote to surrender as a team. Players can vote only once during the match, and they won't be able to change their votes later. If all players vote yes, the voting team loses the game. The winning team gets full rewards and SR/MMR adjustments. The losing team gets full progression and a reduced SR/MMR adjustment based on the number of teammates that stayed until the end of the match (via surrender or via regular means).

About Leaver Penalty

Accumulating Leaver Penalty will get the player into Low Priority Queue (LPQ) for multiplayer matches. The LPQ might get the player to experience longer queue times. To clear the penalties and leave the LPQ, the player will need to complete a number of multiplayer matches proportional to his/her/their accumulated Leaver Penalty. So, the more the player abandons multiplayer matches, the more matches the player will need to complete to remove the Penalty.

32 Replies

Cave_Waverider
5 years ago
A couple of questions:
1. Have you at least fixed the problem with co-op vs. AI where you automatically get dumped into the next match after the last instead of going back to the main menu? If not, everyone will get a leaver penalty because they can't leave the game at all!
2. Also, have you fixed the issue of the match being "abandoned" if somebody leaves the game after the match during all the score and XP tallies or will one get a leaver penalty for it as well?
3. Also, if you crash, can you now rejoin the game in progress you crashed out of for a certain amount of time so you won't get a leaver penalty?
4. Does the leaver penalty decay or are you SOL forever once you crash enough to accumulate enough leaver penalties?
LegendOfThePwn
5 years ago
I have questions about match penalties. Unfortunately, I'd say about half of the matches ive played in the last few days have had a leaver either on my team or the enemy team. One night in particular I had two matches in a row where someone left before the match even started. In the menu, it said something to the effect of there being no penalty and that it is SAFE TO LEAVE. However, when I tried to find another match, it gave me a warning about leaver penalties if I didn't rejoin the previous (that said it was safe to leave). I figured this was just an automatic message, and since it said i was "safe to leave", i proceeded to find a new match. I came to learn after that fact that I experienced a significant percentage loss in my ranking (about 20-25% of my current tier). How can the match tell me that I would not face penalties and stated very clearly that it was SAFE TO LEAVE but then go ahead and penalize me anyway? Very misleading.
I have no problem playing out a game even if we are down a player or two (space battles are not always even hehe). I only left because it clearly stated safe to leave. I've had other matches where someone left mid match and it did not say safe to leave, so i stayed on those accordingly. It's just very annoying that I followed what the game told me clearly (safe to leave) and I was still penalized for it. Leavers are becoming a serious issue in the rankings so I full heartedly support negative consequences for leavers, but please make it more clear or dont say safe to leave if we will be penalized anyway....
lee7dev
5 years ago
I'd like the idea of the leaver penalty, if it would work better.
What I miss is
Definite chance to reconnect, if dropped out of game
Differentiation of why a user left a game
Player left on his own will
Player was kicked out of match because of connectivity issues
Player dropped out because of a game bug
I never want to leave a match, even if half my team drops out and I'm losing. But I still get penalties, because depending on when I'm playing the connections are not so stable. Possibly due to matchmaking with players on the other side of the world
BullitMagnit74
5 years ago
@Straatford87 Is a leaver penalty applied when it was EA's server that dropped the connection?

There have been a few instances where the game i'm in stops and i am dropped to the main menu. It states i can rejoin to avoid the penalty. However every attempt to 'Retry' connecting to EA's servers comes up with an error code and 'Try again'.

While this is occuring, i am still talking to my friends on Discord and can browse to "is EA down" on my browser.. meaning my internet is fine and this is EA's issue.

Every time i have successfully rejoined in time after multiple retry attempts.. but for the occasion where it won't ... what then?
Grzewit
5 years ago
@Straatford87 The reduced SR/MRR doesn't work in my opinion. I had all game long 4 vs 5 game and lost 16%, while in winning i can get only 10. Even if it is simple fly to win battle, whitch should be granted more then others, it is 10...
Imperialish
5 years ago
@Grzewit you're right. It's not working. Also does any one know how I can vote to forfeit on Xbox? I had a match today where only two of us left. Rubbish!
Teh-Stig84
5 years ago
How about fixing the lag which makes the games unwinnable before spending time creating additional penalties?
Looks like it was removed from the known issues list with no fix or additional details provided... not a great look.
alexz3
5 years ago
i don't care about penalties as long as matchmaking is still broken and console players are forced to play against PC players.
Imperialish
5 years ago
@alexz3 you are not forced you can turn off crossplay at any time you want
BS-RedBiggster
5 years ago
So, here's my issue:
I got a leaver penalty because my power blipped for a brief moment a couple of weeks ago and it caused my internet connection to reset. Now, I've played at least 8 matches since then, but the penalty's still there, so just how long does it take for it to go away?