☽ Team Instinct™ ☾ EwokRampage's Nerf/Buff Compendium for Level 70
As the update to level 70 looms near I would like to make a last ditch effort to share my opinion with the developers and forum about what I think a fair buff and nerf for the current class of charact...
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Team Instinct™ ☾ EwokRampage's Nerf/Buff Compendium for Level 70","id":"message:3575108","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":95,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:140786"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3575108"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3575108"},"body@stripHtml({\"truncateLength\":200})":"As the update to level 70 looms near I would like to make a last ditch effort to share my opinion with the developers and forum about what I think a fair buff and nerf for the current class of charact...","body@stringLength":"5760","rawBody":"As the update to level 70 looms near I would like to make a last ditch effort to share my opinion with the developers and forum about what I think a fair buff and nerf for the current class of characters would look like.
NERFS
Poe At the highest level of arena many players are experiencing the influx of Poe. He is incredibly fast and has a taunt that lowers turn meter. Many battles at the high level are simply a matter of which Poe goes first. If you don't have Poe you are at a severe disadvantage. With the update to 70 Poe actually gets much much much worse. He now moves to a turn 7 attack(read team instinct speed guide to understand) at 143 speed. This means even with Leia and Dooku on an opposing team Poe can go first. This is unacceptable and game breaking. My nerf for Poe would consist of him having 1 less speed. This puts him back in turn 8. Making him go behind the top tier of speedsters and allowing some counter play against him where everyone just knocks him out before he goes. This is all you have to do to make Poe a balanced tank(still slightly OP) for the update to 70. Taking off %'s or messing with his skills is absolutely the wrong way to approach nerfing this champ.
First Order Tie Pilot Being able to one shot someone consistently while being tanky is enough to warrant a nerf. Keep in mind FoTP is naturally getting a nerf when going to 70. He gets stuck in Gear 8 while everyone else increases. We just happen to get him in a very overpowered stage of his leveling process. The change I would like to see happen to him is just decrease the % chance his double tap has of activating. He is still slow and tanky, and should not be able to one shot anyone in this new patch unless they are incredibly weak or unprotected. By having even a 15% less chance to double tap puts very big ? on whether he should replace some other attackers that are also good, instead of always being the best damage pick regardless of synergies.
Leia Leia actually doesn't need to be nerfed just fixed. As more characters move into turn 7 with Leia and Dooku their usefulness as the perfect filler pick deteriorate so she is naturally getting weaker in the move to level 70. Couple with the fact that her crit and heal will function correctly now makes her even less useful and brings her into the middle of the pack in terms of being a filler to a team. She will now function well in a rebel team and crit team, but isn't required for every team at high level play anymore.
Others I really don't believe that any other character needs a nerf at this point. While you may say Sid with his last buff is overpowered, he really isn't. I actually like that he is fairly prominent as the best leader because it gives f2p characters a large benefit to be able to max him out and have him be a good leader for most of the team comps.
BUFFS
Mace Windu Like the other recent post I agree that Mace's kit is very underwhelming and does not see any use in arena. They should really just wipe the slate clean with that character. What I would like to see with Mace's Kit. 1. A dramatic increase in speed preferably 143+ at 70, or at least above 140. 2. Get rid of the idea of him being a tank, the jedi have enough tanks. 3. He would be perfect as as support character, here are my idea on his skills. a. Basic skill has high % chance of giving a low turn meter boost to his team, does bad to medium damage. b. Special skill is single target medium to high damage skill that inflicts buff immunity, with a chance to spread it to one other enemy. c.His Leader skill should be Potency 45% to all allies at max level. d.His unique should give him some counter percentage, with a chance of also removing a single buff from the target. He works well with counter jedi synergy, he has a good leader skill that a lot of teams could make use of, he is very anti-poe which is the flavor of the month at the moment, and he is not especially overpowered.
Ugnaught Currently the worst character in the game. There are a few simple things they can do to make him semi viable. They need to give him a massive health boost so he doesn't get slaughtered when facing an actual droid team. His skills should at least give a high % debuff to the enemy team. My thoughts is actually making a new debuff just for him call Disadvantage, you have already seen the icon on Boss fights it allows any attacks on that specific enemy to bypass armor/resistance, like the opposite of advantage.
Ewoks/Tuskens/Clones To make their synergies viable they need at least 1 or two more members to combine with. I would recommend just adding new characters that have these type of synergies. That would instantly make all the characters that use it more viable.
Scoundrels Scoundrels are currently in dire straits at the moment. A lot of there characters use the thermal detonator skill which is just completely terrible in arena. Reduce the turn requirement by thermal detonator to go off by one. Also add the condition that if you throw a thermal detonator on someone who already has one they both immediately go off. When FoTP can take off 75% of your health in a basic attack, having the thermals go off while combating tenacity seems like a good equalizer. This would immediately make a scoundrel team viable in arena.
Any other thoughts on specific buff or nerfs I would love to hear feedback from the forum community I will try and add them into this post!","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2016-01-10T12:54:04.000-08:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuM3wyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDE","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:feedback","text":"feedback","time":"2023-02-05T06:25:45.000-08:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}}]},"timeToRead":4,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3575108_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":5282},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"customFields":[],"body":"As the update to level 70 looms near I would like to make a last ditch effort to share my opinion with the developers and forum about what I think a fair buff and nerf for the current class of characters would look like.
NERFS
Poe At the highest level of arena many players are experiencing the influx of Poe. He is incredibly fast and has a taunt that lowers turn meter. Many battles at the high level are simply a matter of which Poe goes first. If you don't have Poe you are at a severe disadvantage. With the update to 70 Poe actually gets much much much worse. He now moves to a turn 7 attack(read team instinct speed guide to understand) at 143 speed. This means even with Leia and Dooku on an opposing team Poe can go first. This is unacceptable and game breaking. My nerf for Poe would consist of him having 1 less speed. This puts him back in turn 8. Making him go behind the top tier of speedsters and allowing some counter play against him where everyone just knocks him out before he goes. This is all you have to do to make Poe a balanced tank(still slightly OP) for the update to 70. Taking off %'s or messing with his skills is absolutely the wrong way to approach nerfing this champ.
First Order Tie Pilot Being able to one shot someone consistently while being tanky is enough to warrant a nerf. Keep in mind FoTP is naturally getting a nerf when going to 70. He gets stuck in Gear 8 while everyone else increases. We just happen to get him in a very overpowered stage of his leveling process. The change I would like to see happen to him is just decrease the % chance his double tap has of activating. He is still slow and tanky, and should not be able to one shot anyone in this new patch unless they are incredibly weak or unprotected. By having even a 15% less chance to double tap puts very big ? on whether he should replace some other attackers that are also good, instead of always being the best damage pick regardless of synergies.
Leia Leia actually doesn't need to be nerfed just fixed. As more characters move into turn 7 with Leia and Dooku their usefulness as the perfect filler pick deteriorate so she is naturally getting weaker in the move to level 70. Couple with the fact that her crit and heal will function correctly now makes her even less useful and brings her into the middle of the pack in terms of being a filler to a team. She will now function well in a rebel team and crit team, but isn't required for every team at high level play anymore.
Others I really don't believe that any other character needs a nerf at this point. While you may say Sid with his last buff is overpowered, he really isn't. I actually like that he is fairly prominent as the best leader because it gives f2p characters a large benefit to be able to max him out and have him be a good leader for most of the team comps.
BUFFS
Mace Windu Like the other recent post I agree that Mace's kit is very underwhelming and does not see any use in arena. They should really just wipe the slate clean with that character. What I would like to see with Mace's Kit. 1. A dramatic increase in speed preferably 143+ at 70, or at least above 140. 2. Get rid of the idea of him being a tank, the jedi have enough tanks. 3. He would be perfect as as support character, here are my idea on his skills. a. Basic skill has high % chance of giving a low turn meter boost to his team, does bad to medium damage. b. Special skill is single target medium to high damage skill that inflicts buff immunity, with a chance to spread it to one other enemy. c.His Leader skill should be Potency 45% to all allies at max level. d.His unique should give him some counter percentage, with a chance of also removing a single buff from the target. He works well with counter jedi synergy, he has a good leader skill that a lot of teams could make use of, he is very anti-poe which is the flavor of the month at the moment, and he is not especially overpowered.
Ugnaught Currently the worst character in the game. There are a few simple things they can do to make him semi viable. They need to give him a massive health boost so he doesn't get slaughtered when facing an actual droid team. His skills should at least give a high % debuff to the enemy team. My thoughts is actually making a new debuff just for him call Disadvantage, you have already seen the icon on Boss fights it allows any attacks on that specific enemy to bypass armor/resistance, like the opposite of advantage.
Ewoks/Tuskens/Clones To make their synergies viable they need at least 1 or two more members to combine with. I would recommend just adding new characters that have these type of synergies. That would instantly make all the characters that use it more viable.
Scoundrels Scoundrels are currently in dire straits at the moment. A lot of there characters use the thermal detonator skill which is just completely terrible in arena. Reduce the turn requirement by thermal detonator to go off by one. Also add the condition that if you throw a thermal detonator on someone who already has one they both immediately go off. When FoTP can take off 75% of your health in a basic attack, having the thermals go off while combating tenacity seems like a good equalizer. This would immediately make a scoundrel team viable in arena.
Any other thoughts on specific buff or nerfs I would love to hear feedback from the forum community I will try and add them into this 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I have bought f1 games for playstation every year for years, 2008 was a bad game. 2023 game has been a nightmare, be my first year I am NOT going to buy a f1 game.
update: If you brought in some classic F1 cars I may reconsider my decision!!!!
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@atfmarko the thing is while the classic cars and track may draw in the traditionalist/hardcore consumers who inhabit this board (and were already likely to buy the game anyway) they don't do much for the modern/ casual consumer (that don't frequent this board) who has no idea where Mugello is or what a Hockenheim is. Hence as others alluded to there's little reason to cough up the dough for the licenses.
I remember they made a big push for classic content back in f1 2013 I think it was and then they never really did it again, so I think they kind of wrote it off as a flop. Sadly, the modern consumer seems more interested in sofas, t-shirts, and supercars that have nothing to do with Formula 1... This phenomenon baffles me but here we are.
Then why not offer the classic content as grind or pay? Most pay.
I just wanna see the end of Spiderman race suits and embarrassing podium emotes....car paint jobs, yeah go to town, design your own helmet, like I care.
@SteveJackson I agree, the customization stuff is getting increasingly embarrassing. I remember the first year the liveries were pretty legit, the Union Jack, Stars and Stripes etc. then they sold out to the content creators, now they’re selling out to the highest bidder.
back on the classic stuff though…
one issue with the cars. Pretty much every classic car would need its own handling model to represent the characteristics of that era, unless they were only a few years apart of course. This would be kinda time consuming and personally I’d rather have the devs focused on making the main game the best it can possibly be.
regarding tracks. While the FIA would gladly cut a deal with EA and Mugello to include Mugello, the actual calendar tracks paying increasingly hefty fees to host F1 races might object to allowing outsiders to sneak in and steal a bit of the spot light for a fraction of the cost. TLDR I’m guessing there’s some legal paperwork that would block this.
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@SteveJackson wrote:Then why not offer the classic content as grind or pay? Most pay.
I just wanna see the end of Spiderman race suits and embarrassing podium emotes....car paint jobs, yeah go to town, design your own helmet, like I care.
Oh, Lord. This, 100%!
Cosmetics and rewards to drive player (should probably stick with consumer from now on) engagement up and instill good reputation in the industry and in the community.
You're designing a cartoonish or SF looter shooter with wacky weapons and gear? Yeah, alright. Design the loot that you want with no boundaries or constraints. There's no real expectations on aesthetics. Go ham, go wild... Go lazy, no one cares as there are, again, no expectations.
A racing game? A real motorsport game? A F1 game? My darling 😶
You have 100+ years of motorsports and 75+ years of F1. So much icons, so vast of a heritage.
Classic cars as rewards for grinding or whatever silly activities they come up with? I'm not going to boot the game for that, but perhaps I'll stretch my play sessions for 15 more minutes... or, oopsie, 1.5h?
Liveries and suits inspired by real ones? Hey, I don't mind not getting the Thing™, but something reassembling the color palette of the Jaguar Silk Cut or those Castrol white liveries would absolutely get a smile from me.
There are so many low hanging fruits this looter shooter of a racing game could reach to to please their core audience.
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