15 Zeros.

We are in the same boat as you VonZant. Apparently CG is worried about making changes to help a dozen people who no longer spend money because they have been given everhthing to stay on top. There is very little incentive to continue on. Im going to shake things up soon and see if they want to do a tier 6 to unlock heroic. Failing a heroic might motivate people to get better

"VonZant;d-173985" wrote:
So we are halfway through phase 3 and 15 people have not scored a point. We do tier 4. What do yall do to keep people going without having to kick out half of your guild? I know Nihilus is annoying but posting a zero for that long hurts everyone. GMY should help a lot of folks that dont have JTR.

Any suggestions? Obviously we are pretty laid back but that is a but to far. 82M Guild.

Good question, no easy answer. Booting them is no longer a threat. There are so many farm guilds, they will be back in business in minutes. I'm facing this as leader of our guild. We have half of our guild joining raids, tw, tb etc.. but a portion of those NOT joining, contribute daily req'd tickets. This leaves some not able to play daily, and me not wanting to be the big bad wolf. (Be a Leader they said, it'll be fun they said... ugh).

"Waqui;c-1587188" wrote:

"VonZant;c-1586872" wrote:
Yeah we have the teams to beat it easily. Just cant get the people motivated to actually fight Nihilus.

Ok, so we agree that the problems is not Nihilus' health pool. Great! :—)

No. That is exactly the problem. His health pool is so massive and his mechanic is so annoying that spending 10-20 teams on him each person each raid just wears people out and they just dont fight him. Top 5 of us post 10-25M damage each. Most others just half-ass it or dont post at all.

"Waqui;c-1587507" wrote:

"VonZant;c-1587204" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1587188" wrote:

"VonZant;c-1586872" wrote:
Yeah we have the teams to beat it easily. Just cant get the people motivated to actually fight Nihilus.

Ok, so we agree that the problems is not Nihilus' health pool. Great! :—)

No. That is exactly the problem. His health pool is so massive and his mechanic is so annoying that spending 10-20 teams on him each person each raid just wears people out and they just dont fight him. Top 5 of us post 10-25M damage each. Most others just half-**** it or dont post at all.

Here I thought we just agreed, that there are teams, that work well against his mehanics. I even thought you claimed that you have those teams in your guild. If that's really the case, Nihilus' health pool is not a problem.

Something is a bit off either with your claims or your conclusion.

Here. There is one dollar within your reach. You can reach it easily. You just have to lean far enough forward 15 times so this needle goes under your fingernail slightly each time and you will hear a one second clip of "The hamster dance song" each time. Then you can have the dollar.

Just because you CAN do something does not mean that it is enjoyable to do so.

Its not an issue of CAN. Its not an issue of Hard. Its not an issue of Annyoning. It is not an issue of Time Consuming.

It is an issue of Hard and Annoying and Time Consuming all together so the prize does not justify the reach for many people. Yes, we could kick them all out, but that is a bad thing to encourage.

Of couse it is an unbalanced guild. We are casual. We are not a heroic guild and dont plan on being anytime soon. The question is: Why do people choose not participate in the raid? They do TW. They do TB. They do Tank (even when we were not doing heroic). They do Rancor.

The answer is the 2 Nihilus phases are unbridled pain and not fun. I love challenging content. I like hard content. I put up my 10-20M per raid and so do others. The point is that it is difficult annoying and too protracted. They should at least fix the protracted part.

Im guessing if they showed us their secret data on all phases on all raids the participation level in P1 of sith is far worse - not by a little but by a lot - than any other raid phase. Also the amount of times the "auto" button is hit during that phase is going to be high - even for people that do participate. Again "break up your guild" solution is not just bad design, its bad for business.

The difference between a casual guild and one that is not is that the ones that aren't require participation. You can't want to not have rules and then complain about people who don't want to play certain aspects of the game. Make rules for min participation and make them known if you want participation. If you don't want rules, learn to live with people posting zeros and being an anchor for your guild because that is what happens.

"VonZant;c-1588407" wrote:
Yall are both right about participation. I dont agree with you on why though. Im sure we will never see numbers but Im certain Im right on the participation in the Nihilus phases across non-heroic guilds. Its a slog and causes non-participation at greater levels. Yes there are people that would not participate anyway. But the phase massive HP pool does not help. Oh well.

I'm not arguing that p1 doesn't suck. It does and the rewards aren't that great. But that doesn't realky matter. Either you want to be in a guild with full participation or you're ok with limited participation. That's a choice for you to make. They aren't going to change the raid since it appears to be wai. They may up the rewards but that is also out of our control. It really comes down to do you want the raid to take longer and let half the guild get the rewards for no effort? And power creep will eventually fix the issue you have. Then it'll be like haat pit where you don't care if people post a zero because it's done in 5 hours or less anyway.

"Nitrogen;c-1588642" wrote:



At the very least they need to change the "intended for" labels, they are so far off it's not funny.

While this is true, at least it's consistent with the rest of the game.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1588870" wrote:
It doesn't seem like it makes much progress at 100k per team since that's only .2% per team but with 5 teams and 50 people it adds up.

8 days worth of 20 minutes per day, so almost 3 hours of game time for 6 MK 3 holo projectors, 6 MK 4 laptops and maybe something else. THIS is why people do not like this raid.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1590952" wrote:
I spend more time total on haat. But I like to score high. The 20 mil runs take awhile.

Top rewards for HAAT are much better tho. Plus it's much less than 8 hours for a 20M run. It's an hour or so max. An hour once every 3-4 days compared to 20 min a day every day. The Sith raid is just too tough for too small of rewards for non heroic. I'm hoping new toons come out soon like the GMY rework that make the sigh raid more approachable.