All a "guild qualification requirement" will do is hurt smaller guilds

"Liath;c-1878592" wrote:

"taquillasun;c-1878580" wrote:

"APX_919;c-1878574" wrote:

"taquillasun;c-1878560" wrote:

"Lio;c-1878493" wrote:

"Stenun;c-1878484" wrote:

"Lio;c-1878479" wrote:
Same thing was said about HSTR.

The difference with HSTR was that lower guilds had access to lower Tiers of the Sith Raid and had something to practice on and could work towards the next Tier.
With Geonoses, they can't do anything with it at all. An entirely new section of the game is completely denied them regardless of their personal GP just because they are in a guild which the Devs have decided can't play. At all. Not "play lower difficulty" or even "play this difficulty and lose badly"; just can't play. End of.

I guess that's true, but I still think the anger is unwarranted. Not every game mode needs to be easily accessible.

My guild has been looking for a big guildwide challenge. HSTR was our previous goal and we all have Trayas now. TW is fun and all but monotonous. So we're thrilled that Geonosis TB will be a challenge, even if we fail miserably for a few months and barely get 1 star. It'll be something to work towards which makes the game fun.

That's YOUR guild..... There are a lot of people just starting. A lot of people who had played for a long time and started their own guilds trying to build them up. You are only speaking for your guild. I am guessing the number of lower tier guilds that are casual outnumber guilds like yours.

And as they build up they grow. They may not be 80m when GeoTB hits but in a few weeks to months they'll get there and in that time they will hear from others what teams to target for victory and be better prepared than the 120M guilds who started GeoTB and stalled.

Just take this into consideration because, it's inevitable.

Player has Malak. Needs currency to get to 7 stars. Has 4.4 million GP roster. In a guild with 69 million GP with 41 members. Now, 4.4 Mill Roster GP multiplied by 41 is a 164 mil gp guild. SO what's going on here, is that there's a few big GP members but the rest are around 1.5-2. Those high GP members arent going to want to sit around for months while other gear up to 80 and even then it won't be enough to do much.

They'll leave. People come and go from guilds like changing socks as it is. Not a lot of people stick things out.

So that 4.4m GP guy has already had a lot of significant incentives to leave the 69m GP guild and go elsewhere. The 69m GP guild probably isn't doing HSith, which in addition to Traya is the main source of g12+ gear and extremely important for roster development. The 69m GP guild is getting fewer zetas due to TW brackets. The 69m GP guild is getting far fewer stars in the existing TBs, which translates into a lot of GET that player could have already used to get his Malak to 7*, as well as crystals and other goodies. So he has been making the decision to stick with a guild far far below his weight class for a long time, and to suffer the consequences of it. Maybe the new incentive with the new TB will be enough to push him over the edge, but do you really think that it's the fact that his guild can't enter the Geo TB that will be the deciding factor rather than the fact that even if they could enter it they would be getting much lower rewards than a guild that matches his weight class?

"evoluza;c-1878557" wrote:

"Lanbo;c-1878549" wrote:

"Dk_rek;c-1878498" wrote:

So when 1/4 of their guild quits they lose out on hoth rewards too. Double whammy. Its kind of not nonsense for 65-75 mil gp guilds.

They never could have gotten GTB rewards but will now lose a bunch of hoth rewards..... thats a valid claim.

Cap prevents whining but creates a whole new actual problem that creates more whining.

Honestly IMO CG would have been better off dealing with the whining that a guild chose GTB (bad decision on their part) and lost out on hoth rewards. Its much better than dealing with guild killing that takes away those hoth rewards as well.

Guild makes dumb decision to try GTB and regrets it you can deal with

Company policy that hurts guilds and ends up leaving them with less hoth rewards due to guild destruction is much worse.

Real question is does this effect enough guilds to cause an actual problem.... that I cant say. I do doubut CG would care about 50-100 guilds being destroyed..... now if it was a few thousand.....

Truth be told HSTR destroyed 60-80% of our guild but worked hard to bring in the people leaving other destroyed guilds now we are top 200 TW guild smoking everything.

Best suggestions anyone can make is if you have a tight group of people keep em together and find a merge work at it..... who cares if guild name changes or you dont get to be an officer for 5 months yu will still have your friends and end up in a MUCH better situation

Exactly. Guilds that are close to 80 million are actually going to be the ones hurt the most. They won't get to attempt GTB at all and they won't be able to work towards the 80 million requirement because their members are going to seek out guilds that already broach the 80 million mark. Sure it won't happen to all of them, but I'd bet cold hard cash the vast majority of 50-79 million GP guilds lose players because of this. And that's exactly counterproductive to CG's so-called reasoning behind the 80 million requirement. We don't need a freaking nanny telling us not to try something because it's too hard. Let us try. If we fail, so be it. Then we don't get rewards. If you don't let us try, as you mentioned Dk_rek, we still lose rewards because our guild falls apart and we can't get as far in Hoth TB anymore anyway. It's lose/lose all because they think we're stupid and need to be protected from ourselves. I knew they were in California, but didn't think they'd bring socialism into the game.

Now logic is socialism.
What's the difference between, letting people in even if they lose with less then 80mil and not letting them in, because the don't have the gp they need anyways?
I tell you. People start sep TB, don't beat it and get ****.
Now, with restrictions, only a few post unreasonable, useless stuff.

"sndnichols;c-1878612" wrote:

"Liath;c-1878592" wrote:

"taquillasun;c-1878580" wrote:

"APX_919;c-1878574" wrote:

"taquillasun;c-1878560" wrote:

"Lio;c-1878493" wrote:

"Stenun;c-1878484" wrote:

"Lio;c-1878479" wrote:
Same thing was said about HSTR.

The difference with HSTR was that lower guilds had access to lower Tiers of the Sith Raid and had something to practice on and could work towards the next Tier.
With Geonoses, they can't do anything with it at all. An entirely new section of the game is completely denied them regardless of their personal GP just because they are in a guild which the Devs have decided can't play. At all. Not "play lower difficulty" or even "play this difficulty and lose badly"; just can't play. End of.

I guess that's true, but I still think the anger is unwarranted. Not every game mode needs to be easily accessible.

My guild has been looking for a big guildwide challenge. HSTR was our previous goal and we all have Trayas now. TW is fun and all but monotonous. So we're thrilled that Geonosis TB will be a challenge, even if we fail miserably for a few months and barely get 1 star. It'll be something to work towards which makes the game fun.

That's YOUR guild..... There are a lot of people just starting. A lot of people who had played for a long time and started their own guilds trying to build them up. You are only speaking for your guild. I am guessing the number of lower tier guilds that are casual outnumber guilds like yours.

And as they build up they grow. They may not be 80m when GeoTB hits but in a few weeks to months they'll get there and in that time they will hear from others what teams to target for victory and be better prepared than the 120M guilds who started GeoTB and stalled.

Just take this into consideration because, it's inevitable.

Player has Malak. Needs currency to get to 7 stars. Has 4.4 million GP roster. In a guild with 69 million GP with 41 members. Now, 4.4 Mill Roster GP multiplied by 41 is a 164 mil gp guild. SO what's going on here, is that there's a few big GP members but the rest are around 1.5-2. Those high GP members arent going to want to sit around for months while other gear up to 80 and even then it won't be enough to do much.

They'll leave. People come and go from guilds like changing socks as it is. Not a lot of people stick things out.

So that 4.4m GP guy has already had a lot of significant incentives to leave the 69m GP guild and go elsewhere. The 69m GP guild probably isn't doing HSith, which in addition to Traya is the main source of g12+ gear and extremely important for roster development. The 69m GP guild is getting fewer zetas due to TW brackets. The 69m GP guild is getting far fewer stars in the existing TBs, which translates into a lot of GET that player could have already used to get his Malak to 7*, as well as crystals and other goodies. So he has been making the decision to stick with a guild far far below his weight class for a long time, and to suffer the consequences of it. Maybe the new incentive with the new TB will be enough to push him over the edge, but do you really think that it's the fact that his guild can't enter the Geo TB that will be the deciding factor rather than the fact that even if they could enter it they would be getting much lower rewards than a guild that matches his weight class?

What am I missing out on? a 7* malak? So what. With the mods that I can't spin to 20+ speed, I would still only be top 20. I could have zetas on phoenix??? Who cares. There is nothing that I want, that I can't get. There is nothing I don't do very well in. I have fun with my guild mates. What am I missing out on? The only edge I am likely to be pusehed over is playing a game that dis-incentivizes me from playing. And that is what is happening with me on this decision by CG. I can't finish higher than #1 in ships, I have 1500 prestige mats waiting for the new cap ship, over 20M credits, several k crystals, 7 g12 pieces waiting to be placed.

You may think I am missing something, but there is nothing I miss, except not being able to make an attempt. I didn't like the 17.5k limit on malak, even though I met it. There is a lot going on in this game, now, that I don't like. It is pushing me to quit, not incentivizing me to play. Not allowing me to fail is not giving me a goal. It is keeping me from seeing how I can improve. You may not see it this way, but I do. I am not the only one. Friends feel the same way.

"taquillasun;c-1878633" wrote:

"Liath;c-1878592" wrote:

"taquillasun;c-1878580" wrote:

"APX_919;c-1878574" wrote:

"taquillasun;c-1878560" wrote:

"Lio;c-1878493" wrote:

"Stenun;c-1878484" wrote:

"Lio;c-1878479" wrote:
Same thing was said about HSTR.

The difference with HSTR was that lower guilds had access to lower Tiers of the Sith Raid and had something to practice on and could work towards the next Tier.
With Geonoses, they can't do anything with it at all. An entirely new section of the game is completely denied them regardless of their personal GP just because they are in a guild which the Devs have decided can't play. At all. Not "play lower difficulty" or even "play this difficulty and lose badly"; just can't play. End of.

I guess that's true, but I still think the anger is unwarranted. Not every game mode needs to be easily accessible.

My guild has been looking for a big guildwide challenge. HSTR was our previous goal and we all have Trayas now. TW is fun and all but monotonous. So we're thrilled that Geonosis TB will be a challenge, even if we fail miserably for a few months and barely get 1 star. It'll be something to work towards which makes the game fun.

That's YOUR guild..... There are a lot of people just starting. A lot of people who had played for a long time and started their own guilds trying to build them up. You are only speaking for your guild. I am guessing the number of lower tier guilds that are casual outnumber guilds like yours.

And as they build up they grow. They may not be 80m when GeoTB hits but in a few weeks to months they'll get there and in that time they will hear from others what teams to target for victory and be better prepared than the 120M guilds who started GeoTB and stalled.

Just take this into consideration because, it's inevitable.

Player has Malak. Needs currency to get to 7 stars. Has 4.4 million GP roster. In a guild with 69 million GP with 41 members. Now, 4.4 Mill Roster GP multiplied by 41 is a 164 mil gp guild. SO what's going on here, is that there's a few big GP members but the rest are around 1.5-2. Those high GP members arent going to want to sit around for months while other gear up to 80 and even then it won't be enough to do much.

They'll leave. People come and go from guilds like changing socks as it is. Not a lot of people stick things out.

So that 4.4m GP guy has already had a lot of significant incentives to leave the 69m GP guild and go elsewhere. The 69m GP guild probably isn't doing HSith, which in addition to Traya is the main source of g12+ gear and extremely important for roster development. The 69m GP guild is getting fewer zetas due to TW brackets. The 69m GP guild is getting far fewer stars in the existing TBs, which translates into a lot of GET that player could have already used to get his Malak to 7*, as well as crystals and other goodies. So he has been making the decision to stick with a guild far far below his weight class for a long time, and to suffer the consequences of it. Maybe the new incentive with the new TB will be enough to push him over the edge, but do you really think that it's the fact that his guild can't enter the Geo TB that will be the deciding factor rather than the fact that even if they could enter it they would be getting much lower rewards than a guild that matches his weight class?

How long have you been playing?

Not in a **** style am I asking but, were you playing for the release of HAAT? That destroyed guilds. Sith Triumphant was similar at first.

"sndnichols;c-1878612" wrote:

"Liath;c-1878592" wrote:

"taquillasun;c-1878580" wrote:

"APX_919;c-1878574" wrote:

"taquillasun;c-1878560" wrote:

"Lio;c-1878493" wrote:

"Stenun;c-1878484" wrote:

"Lio;c-1878479" wrote:
Same thing was said about HSTR.

The difference with HSTR was that lower guilds had access to lower Tiers of the Sith Raid and had something to practice on and could work towards the next Tier.
With Geonoses, they can't do anything with it at all. An entirely new section of the game is completely denied them regardless of their personal GP just because they are in a guild which the Devs have decided can't play. At all. Not "play lower difficulty" or even "play this difficulty and lose badly"; just can't play. End of.

I guess that's true, but I still think the anger is unwarranted. Not every game mode needs to be easily accessible.

My guild has been looking for a big guildwide challenge. HSTR was our previous goal and we all have Trayas now. TW is fun and all but monotonous. So we're thrilled that Geonosis TB will be a challenge, even if we fail miserably for a few months and barely get 1 star. It'll be something to work towards which makes the game fun.

That's YOUR guild..... There are a lot of people just starting. A lot of people who had played for a long time and started their own guilds trying to build them up. You are only speaking for your guild. I am guessing the number of lower tier guilds that are casual outnumber guilds like yours.

And as they build up they grow. They may not be 80m when GeoTB hits but in a few weeks to months they'll get there and in that time they will hear from others what teams to target for victory and be better prepared than the 120M guilds who started GeoTB and stalled.

Just take this into consideration because, it's inevitable.

Player has Malak. Needs currency to get to 7 stars. Has 4.4 million GP roster. In a guild with 69 million GP with 41 members. Now, 4.4 Mill Roster GP multiplied by 41 is a 164 mil gp guild. SO what's going on here, is that there's a few big GP members but the rest are around 1.5-2. Those high GP members arent going to want to sit around for months while other gear up to 80 and even then it won't be enough to do much.

They'll leave. People come and go from guilds like changing socks as it is. Not a lot of people stick things out.

So that 4.4m GP guy has already had a lot of significant incentives to leave the 69m GP guild and go elsewhere. The 69m GP guild probably isn't doing HSith, which in addition to Traya is the main source of g12+ gear and extremely important for roster development. The 69m GP guild is getting fewer zetas due to TW brackets. The 69m GP guild is getting far fewer stars in the existing TBs, which translates into a lot of GET that player could have already used to get his Malak to 7*, as well as crystals and other goodies. So he has been making the decision to stick with a guild far far below his weight class for a long time, and to suffer the consequences of it. Maybe the new incentive with the new TB will be enough to push him over the edge, but do you really think that it's the fact that his guild can't enter the Geo TB that will be the deciding factor rather than the fact that even if they could enter it they would be getting much lower rewards than a guild that matches his weight class?

What am I missing out on? a 7* malak? So what. With the mods that I can't spin to 20+ speed, I would still only be top 20. I could have zetas on phoenix??? Who cares. There is nothing that I want, that I can't get. There is nothing I don't do very well in. I have fun with my guild mates. What am I missing out on? The only edge I am likely to be pusehed over is playing a game that dis-incentivizes me from playing. And that is what is happening with me on this decision by CG. I can't finish higher than #1 in ships, I have 1500 prestige mats waiting for the new cap ship, over 20M credits, several k crystals, 7 g12 pieces waiting to be placed.

You may think I am missing something, but there is nothing I miss, except not being able to make an attempt. I didn't like the 17.5k limit on malak, even though I met it. There is a lot going on in this game, now, that I don't like. It is pushing me to quit, not incentivizing me to play. Not allowing me to fail is not giving me a goal. It is keeping me from seeing how I can improve. You may not see it this way, but I do. I am not the only one. Friends feel the same way.

"Stenun;c-1878148" wrote:

"MightyWizard;c-1878142" wrote:
You're using HAAT as and example rather than HSTR, does that mean that your guild haven't beat HSTR yet? Because if you haven't then it almost certainly means you wouldn't be able to do much in the new territory battle. Supposedly it's hard even at g12+5. The requirements do make sense.

I used the Tank as an example because, as stated in the original anecdote, we're down to killing it in less than 2 hours now. So we've gone from not being able to beat it but still repeatedly trying to beating it in less than 2 hours.
I felt that was a more dramatic example of what being allowed to try can result in as opposed to our Sith story. But as you ask, yes we beat Heroic Sith. But not in less than 2 hours.

"sndnichols;c-1878655" wrote:
I am not trying to convince anyone. Folks keep telling me I am missing something when I am not missing anything, till now. If they had my roster and guild, maybe they would feel like they are missing something, but that is not what is being said.

It isn't just the new TB, but not being allowed to try. For malak, I had the power to get him, but really didn't like the 17.5k limit on trying, either. They way they have been doing things for the last several months has me quite ready to quit. If it weren't for the friends I have in my "low GP guild", (of which I am the leader, btw), I would probably quit because of the way things have been done. For me, most of the challenge is gone from the game.

Here is a new challenge that I cannot partake in just because I might fail. It was the same for malak. I hear no, you can't play this part, we won't let you. For me, the rewards don't matter as much as how I play the game.