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9 years ago

Another credit crunch thread...

TL;DR refer to title.

I'm patient for shards, i'm patient for grinding insane amounts of gear at low drop rates but I cannot be patient any further than that and especially for something as mundane as credits.
The credit shortage has changed this game completely for me.

This use to be a game of collecting toons, gearing them up and trying them out, having fun with Star Wars characters.
It's now a game of waiting 2 days to throw your credits at a toon or two.
I cannot remember the last time I was actually excited to unlock someone, I just leave them flashing to activate at the bottom because I know it will take me weeks and weeks to make useable and I'd have to give up practically everything else or they would end up like 70% of my unlocked toons, 330 shards or more, probably every piece of gear until VIII and collecting dust.

Sure I understand they don't want everyone to get every toon in a month, but a new toon now and then would be fun, after all, what is the game about?

I don't mind a grind, but It's a lot more satisfying to craft a piece of gear you've put effort into than to wait for the GW reset everyday and do 12 matches that can take some folks an hour or more to do in order to level up one toon from 79-80 and maybe craft a piece of gear if you've been grinding for a week or two for that single item.

There is no fun in "grinding" credits.
In fact it's practically impossible to grind credits.
It's just a waiting game.
What do you do? Refresh a ton?
You may as well just buy a credit pack because you get such an insignificant amount for your energy.
GW is the only source of decent credits and arguably the most boring and time consuming content in the game and you only get one chance every 24hrs.

The bronze cards are ridiculous, I've been getting exactly the same rewards since I started playing. It is so outdated its inexcusable. We should be getting 5/10/15k from those. We should be getting semi-usable gear. Why do I need my 951st green/blue piece at level 80? I can't afford to level any new toons anyway.

I cannot think of another game I've played where I don't get more gold for completing quests/missions etc at higher levels or against higher levels. It's basic gaming logic, increase cost, increase income but at a slower ratio.

Surely these guys can get some financial brain box in to sort out the economy? Surely there is a balance that would allow progression at a satisfying pace and still give an incentive for people who buy credits that allows them to progress faster in a meaningful way without allowing access to all content within a month.

If you didn't play before the Feb patch I think it was It might not hurt as much, but for those who were able to sell gear, do key card battles and had to level 60-70 would know there is a credit crunch and that it was artificially created to stop progression, it was just way too heavy handed.

To get 5 toons from 79-80 can take 2.5 days or longer without spending a single credit on anything else, no omegas, no gear, no levels, no stars.
Now if you hadn't played this game and I told you that, would you want to play?

Don't get me wrong I don't want every toon now, but seeing new toons as a waste of credits and an impossibility simply cannot be healthy for the game.

Surely we should be able to enjoy a little more of the hard work the design and development teams have put into all these awesome characters?

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credit crunch thread...","id":"message:3746605","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":46,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:111885"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3746605"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3746605"},"body":"TL;DR refer to title.

I'm patient for shards, i'm patient for grinding insane amounts of gear at low drop rates but I cannot be patient any further than that and especially for something as mundane as credits.
The credit shortage has changed this game completely for me.

This use to be a game of collecting toons, gearing them up and trying them out, having fun with Star Wars characters.
It's now a game of waiting 2 days to throw your credits at a toon or two.
I cannot remember the last time I was actually excited to unlock someone, I just leave them flashing to activate at the bottom because I know it will take me weeks and weeks to make useable and I'd have to give up practically everything else or they would end up like 70% of my unlocked toons, 330 shards or more, probably every piece of gear until VIII and collecting dust.

Sure I understand they don't want everyone to get every toon in a month, but a new toon now and then would be fun, after all, what is the game about?

I don't mind a grind, but It's a lot more satisfying to craft a piece of gear you've put effort into than to wait for the GW reset everyday and do 12 matches that can take some folks an hour or more to do in order to level up one toon from 79-80 and maybe craft a piece of gear if you've been grinding for a week or two for that single item.

There is no fun in \"grinding\" credits.
In fact it's practically impossible to grind credits.
It's just a waiting game.
What do you do? Refresh a ton?
You may as well just buy a credit pack because you get such an insignificant amount for your energy.
GW is the only source of decent credits and arguably the most boring and time consuming content in the game and you only get one chance every 24hrs.

The bronze cards are ridiculous, I've been getting exactly the same rewards since I started playing. It is so outdated its inexcusable. We should be getting 5/10/15k from those. We should be getting semi-usable gear. Why do I need my 951st green/blue piece at level 80? I can't afford to level any new toons anyway.

I cannot think of another game I've played where I don't get more gold for completing quests/missions etc at higher levels or against higher levels. It's basic gaming logic, increase cost, increase income but at a slower ratio.

Surely these guys can get some financial brain box in to sort out the economy? Surely there is a balance that would allow progression at a satisfying pace and still give an incentive for people who buy credits that allows them to progress faster in a meaningful way without allowing access to all content within a month.

If you didn't play before the Feb patch I think it was It might not hurt as much, but for those who were able to sell gear, do key card battles and had to level 60-70 would know there is a credit crunch and that it was artificially created to stop progression, it was just way too heavy handed.

To get 5 toons from 79-80 can take 2.5 days or longer without spending a single credit on anything else, no omegas, no gear, no levels, no stars.
Now if you hadn't played this game and I told you that, would you want to play?

Don't get me wrong I don't want every toon now, but seeing new toons as a waste of credits and an impossibility simply cannot be healthy for the game.

Surely we should be able to enjoy a little more of the hard work the design and development teams have put into all these awesome characters?
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I'm patient for shards, i'm patient for grinding insane amounts of gear at low drop rates but I cannot be patient any further than that and especially for something as mundane as credits.
The credit shortage has changed this game completely for me.

This use to be a game of collecting toons, gearing them up and trying them out, having fun with Star Wars characters.
It's now a game of waiting 2 days to throw your credits at a toon or two.
I cannot remember the last time I was actually excited to unlock someone, I just leave them flashing to activate at the bottom because I know it will take me weeks and weeks to make useable and I'd have to give up practically everything else or they would end up like 70% of my unlocked toons, 330 shards or more, probably every piece of gear until VIII and collecting dust.

Sure I understand they don't want everyone to get every toon in a month, but a new toon now and then would be fun, after all, what is the game about?

I don't mind a grind, but It's a lot more satisfying to craft a piece of gear you've put effort into than to wait for the GW reset everyday and do 12 matches that can take some folks an hour or more to do in order to level up one toon from 79-80 and maybe craft a piece of gear if you've been grinding for a week or two for that single item.

There is no fun in \"grinding\" credits.
In fact it's practically impossible to grind credits.
It's just a waiting game.
What do you do? Refresh a ton?
You may as well just buy a credit pack because you get such an insignificant amount for your energy.
GW is the only source of decent credits and arguably the most boring and time consuming content in the game and you only get one chance every 24hrs.

The bronze cards are ridiculous, I've been getting exactly the same rewards since I started playing. It is so outdated its inexcusable. We should be getting 5/10/15k from those. We should be getting semi-usable gear. Why do I need my 951st green/blue piece at level 80? I can't afford to level any new toons anyway.

I cannot think of another game I've played where I don't get more gold for completing quests/missions etc at higher levels or against higher levels. It's basic gaming logic, increase cost, increase income but at a slower ratio.

Surely these guys can get some financial brain box in to sort out the economy? Surely there is a balance that would allow progression at a satisfying pace and still give an incentive for people who buy credits that allows them to progress faster in a meaningful way without allowing access to all content within a month.

If you didn't play before the Feb patch I think it was It might not hurt as much, but for those who were able to sell gear, do key card battles and had to level 60-70 would know there is a credit crunch and that it was artificially created to stop progression, it was just way too heavy handed.

To get 5 toons from 79-80 can take 2.5 days or longer without spending a single credit on anything else, no omegas, no gear, no levels, no stars.
Now if you hadn't played this game and I told you that, would you want to play?

Don't get me wrong I don't want every toon now, but seeing new toons as a waste of credits and an impossibility simply cannot be healthy for the game.

Surely we should be able to enjoy a little more of the hard work the design and development teams have put into all these awesome characters?
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Another credit crunch thread...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3746616"},"body":"I suppose if I don't have a solution I shouldn't be complaining. So here goes:

Eliminate credits from training characters. Training droids should be enough. We still have to get those anyway.

Then you still have to use credits to promote characters.

Other ideas:

Put key card battles the way we were

Feel free to bring back the part where we used to be able to sell gear that we have 900 of and will never use. PLEASE.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2016-06-06T21:23:01.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-06-06T21:23:01.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3746605/message:3746616","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"481","rawBody":" I suppose if I don't have a solution I shouldn't be complaining. So here goes:

Eliminate credits from training characters. Training droids should be enough. We still have to get those anyway.

Then you still have to use credits to promote characters.

Other ideas:

Put key card battles the way we were

Feel free to bring back the part where we used to be able to sell gear that we have 900 of and will never use. PLEASE. 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I'm sitting on a fully sharded Cad Bane, Datcha, Tusken Raider and soon HRS.
No creds to upgrade and no I'm not spending 5x $10,- to level up just 1 toon.. That's an insane value.

Also it takes more than 10 days to gear, level and upgrade skills. I doubt it's 10 days if you take all these factors into acc.
Even an omega upgrade cost 80k or something ridiculous.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2016-06-07T02:21:10.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-06-07T02:21:10.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3746605/message:3746618","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"442","rawBody":"Haven't read all the reactions but OP is right imo.
I'm sitting on a fully sharded Cad Bane, Datcha, Tusken Raider and soon HRS.
No creds to upgrade and no I'm not spending 5x $10,- to level up just 1 toon.. That's an insane value.

Also it takes more than 10 days to gear, level and upgrade skills. I doubt it's 10 days if you take all these factors into acc.
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as a consequence, I stopped farming any additionnal toon and convert all additionnal shards to Grievous shards. I didn't think I'd be farming this one.

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as a consequence, I stopped farming any additionnal toon and convert all additionnal shards to Grievous shards. I didn't think I'd be farming this one.

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\"InternetSwag;463313\" wrote:
Stop giving EA money until they change it. You have the power.
They answer to you. About time you realize that.


+1 on this.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"161","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2016-06-07T06:19:01.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-06-07T06:19:01.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3746605/message:3746620","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"200","rawBody":"
\"InternetSwag;463313\" wrote:
Stop giving EA money until they change it. You have the power.
They answer to you. About time you realize that.


+1 on this.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3746620_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:79052":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:79052","uid":79052,"login":"1amyourfath3r","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2015-12-20T19:14:18.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-4.svg?time=1721239543000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:79052"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3746621":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3746621","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3746621":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:79052"},"id":"message:3746621","revisionNum":1,"uid":3746621,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3746605"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3746605"},"subject":"Re: Another credit crunch thread...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3746621"},"body":"The struggle is real. 10+ characters that need promoting, for a total of 5+million credits. In another two weeks, I'll have another batch ready to promote.

","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"160","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2016-06-07T06:40:07.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-06-07T06:40:07.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3746605/message:3746621","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"168","rawBody":"The struggle is real. 10+ characters that need promoting, for a total of 5+million credits. In another two weeks, I'll have another batch ready to promote.

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\"Song;462896\" wrote:
@Miralectred
You not suppose to farm everyone to Lv80. Otherwise go buy credits packs. After all this game is not free..


I listed 15 characters, that is not all. 15 characters to 80 is 6 months of work. Not play, work. And I would never buy in a f2p game unless it is in my favor, and the only thing they offer which is that way is the 100 gems a day. Guess what? I bought it. No one should ever waste their crystals on that terrible amount of credits.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2016-06-07T06:43:32.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-06-07T06:43:32.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3746605/message:3746622","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"526","rawBody":"
\"Song;462896\" wrote:
@Miralectred
You not suppose to farm everyone to Lv80. Otherwise go buy credits packs. After all this game is not free..


I listed 15 characters, that is not all. 15 characters to 80 is 6 months of work. Not play, work. And I would never buy in a f2p game unless it is in my favor, and the only thing they offer which is that way is the 100 gems a day. Guess what? I bought it. No one should ever waste their crystals on that terrible amount of credits.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3746622_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:178848":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:178848","uid":178848,"login":"syingl","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2016-03-25T15:58:37.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-4.svg?time=1721239543000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:178848"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3746623":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3746623","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3746623":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:178848"},"id":"message:3746623","revisionNum":1,"uid":3746623,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3746605"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3746605"},"subject":"Re: Another credit crunch thread...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3746623"},"body":"
\"Nastynas91;462734\" wrote:
I don't say this to sound offensive, but I don't get the credit crunch. I'm 100% ftp and my arena team is all level 79 (current level), I have well over 10 additional characters between levels 70 and 80, and I'm sitting on a pile of 3 million credits.


3 million?

Hahahahahahahaha. 3 million. That's a good one. Most people can go through 3 million in about one minute. Most people can go through 30 million in about five minutes. 3 million. That's rich.

\"Darling_Ventress;462914\" wrote:
There is no credit crunch, only a patience crunch.


I agree with this. I can definitely use more credits and they do come frustratingly slow. I've had to change the way I farm just so that I'm not pulling my hair out. Gone are the days of farming teams at a time. Gone are the days of opening toons willy nilly.

\"Song;462765\" wrote:
IF you complete your GW each day, you will get around 448,840 credits
Cantina\t= around 100K if you refresh once.
Regular = 38K credits if you refresh 2 times. Also extra if you log in for bonus energy.
Challenge\tfrom Bounty Hunter = Around 120K per day. Since you can do bounty hunter on Sun, Tues, Friday . 837K per week.

You will get atleast 710K per day. A level 1 to lv80 and combined with promotion need around 6.5M credits. Literally you can do this in 9 - 10days.



The math is solid, but only if people are in fact finishing GW daily; refreshing cantina once and playing 5, 6, or 7; and refreshing LS/DS every day. Otherwise the math doesn't work and it will take longer.

And no, I don't feel we should have everyone up to lvl 80 right now. I do want to remain competitive and that means being able to stay in the top 10, at least, in arena, completing GW, which is becoming increasingly harder for everyone once they get to a certain level in arena power, and improve in raids. If you don't think we need multiple level 80 with 8, 9, or 10 gear toons for t7 raids, then I don't know what to tell you.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2016-06-07T07:17:04.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-06-07T07:17:04.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3746605/message:3746623","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"2188","rawBody":"
\"Nastynas91;462734\" wrote:
I don't say this to sound offensive, but I don't get the credit crunch. I'm 100% ftp and my arena team is all level 79 (current level), I have well over 10 additional characters between levels 70 and 80, and I'm sitting on a pile of 3 million credits.


3 million?

Hahahahahahahaha. 3 million. That's a good one. Most people can go through 3 million in about one minute. Most people can go through 30 million in about five minutes. 3 million. That's rich.

\"Darling_Ventress;462914\" wrote:
There is no credit crunch, only a patience crunch.


I agree with this. I can definitely use more credits and they do come frustratingly slow. I've had to change the way I farm just so that I'm not pulling my hair out. Gone are the days of farming teams at a time. Gone are the days of opening toons willy nilly.

\"Song;462765\" wrote:
IF you complete your GW each day, you will get around 448,840 credits
Cantina\t= around 100K if you refresh once.
Regular = 38K credits if you refresh 2 times. Also extra if you log in for bonus energy.
Challenge\tfrom Bounty Hunter = Around 120K per day. Since you can do bounty hunter on Sun, Tues, Friday . 837K per week.

You will get atleast 710K per day. A level 1 to lv80 and combined with promotion need around 6.5M credits. Literally you can do this in 9 - 10days.



The math is solid, but only if people are in fact finishing GW daily; refreshing cantina once and playing 5, 6, or 7; and refreshing LS/DS every day. Otherwise the math doesn't work and it will take longer.

And no, I don't feel we should have everyone up to lvl 80 right now. I do want to remain competitive and that means being able to stay in the top 10, at least, in arena, completing GW, which is becoming increasingly harder for everyone once they get to a certain level in arena power, and improve in raids. If you don't think we need multiple level 80 with 8, 9, or 10 gear toons for t7 raids, then I don't know what to tell you. ","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3746623_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:46824":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:46824","uid":46824,"login":"Forar80","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2016-05-03T12:42:58.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1721239493000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:46824"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3746624":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3746624","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3746624":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:46824"},"id":"message:3746624","revisionNum":1,"uid":3746624,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3746605"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3746605"},"subject":"Re: Another credit crunch thread...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3746624"},"body":"Agreed with the credit crunch points brought up, including the math estimating what we're picking up.

Now, there's also the little boost from Raids, BUT hopefully we can all recognize that not everyone is in a guild farming T6/7 Rancors every other day. Mine clears 5's in a few hours and takes a few days on 6's, it's a nice pile of cash ending up in the top 10 or 20, but not nearly enough to make up for the ongoing drought overall.

While the need to focus on ones PVP squad is indeed important, let's not overlook the events they also spring on us that need other characters at higher levels to participate in, let alone finish completely. No, we don't necessarily need full teams at 80 and 7*, but it's mutually exclusive to both focus on a strong PVP core with a handful of extras for GW, and to have a massive bench that provides enough heavy hitters in a variety of types to complete Jedi and Droid and Rebel and Etc events.

Honestly, with the RNG for shards and gear, the game seems to contain enough grind and artificial roadblocks that adding the credit crunch just seems cruel. So what if we had twice as many level 80's if they're all Gear Level 5 or 6 waiting on the fractally spreading numbers of certain things we need to get them higher. At least those characters would be able to be tried out, experimented with in a semi-useful capacity, rather than most people following the meta blindly because taking a chance with a less popular character could set them weeks or months behind.

Plus, it's not a purely black and white issue. We're all short on credits, but I don't see anyone sensible asking to have 100 million dropped in every account. A simple solution or two (increase the challenge value to 120k+, increase those stupid Bronzium rolls to 10-20k, add 50-100% to the credits in GW rewards, etc) would substantially improve our ability to earn money but wouldn't remotely lead to people 'having a full account of 80's overnight'. We're already talking a grind that can be measured in quarters, if not years, and as they add more levels to the cap, more characters to the pool, more gear levels to grind towards, it's only going to get worse/longer with no end in sight. And I'm not blind to that being the Freemium business model in a nutshell.

But there are shades of grey on this spectrum, and it'd be nice to at least be able to level up a bunch of characters to toy with, rather than feeling that every credit has to be horded for getting another character to 7 stars or 2-4 a level closer to 80 out of the A/B/C teams.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2016-06-07T08:36:55.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-06-07T08:36:55.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3746605/message:3746624","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"2611","rawBody":"Agreed with the credit crunch points brought up, including the math estimating what we're picking up.

Now, there's also the little boost from Raids, BUT hopefully we can all recognize that not everyone is in a guild farming T6/7 Rancors every other day. Mine clears 5's in a few hours and takes a few days on 6's, it's a nice pile of cash ending up in the top 10 or 20, but not nearly enough to make up for the ongoing drought overall.

While the need to focus on ones PVP squad is indeed important, let's not overlook the events they also spring on us that need other characters at higher levels to participate in, let alone finish completely. No, we don't necessarily need full teams at 80 and 7*, but it's mutually exclusive to both focus on a strong PVP core with a handful of extras for GW, and to have a massive bench that provides enough heavy hitters in a variety of types to complete Jedi and Droid and Rebel and Etc events.

Honestly, with the RNG for shards and gear, the game seems to contain enough grind and artificial roadblocks that adding the credit crunch just seems cruel. So what if we had twice as many level 80's if they're all Gear Level 5 or 6 waiting on the fractally spreading numbers of certain things we need to get them higher. At least those characters would be able to be tried out, experimented with in a semi-useful capacity, rather than most people following the meta blindly because taking a chance with a less popular character could set them weeks or months behind.

Plus, it's not a purely black and white issue. We're all short on credits, but I don't see anyone sensible asking to have 100 million dropped in every account. A simple solution or two (increase the challenge value to 120k+, increase those stupid Bronzium rolls to 10-20k, add 50-100% to the credits in GW rewards, etc) would substantially improve our ability to earn money but wouldn't remotely lead to people 'having a full account of 80's overnight'. We're already talking a grind that can be measured in quarters, if not years, and as they add more levels to the cap, more characters to the pool, more gear levels to grind towards, it's only going to get worse/longer with no end in sight. And I'm not blind to that being the Freemium business model in a nutshell.

But there are shades of grey on this spectrum, and it'd be nice to at least be able to level up a bunch of characters to toy with, rather than feeling that every credit has to be horded for getting another character to 7 stars or 2-4 a level closer to 80 out of the A/B/C teams.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3746624_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3746625":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3746625","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3746625":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:20616"},"id":"message:3746625","revisionNum":1,"uid":3746625,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3746605"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3746605"},"subject":"Re: Another credit crunch thread...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3746625"},"body":"
\"JRA;464058\" wrote:
\"Forar;463929\" wrote:
Agreed with the credit crunch points brought up, including the math estimating what we're picking up.

Now, there's also the little boost from Raids, BUT hopefully we can all recognize that not everyone is in a guild farming T6/7 Rancors every other day. Mine clears 5's in a few hours and takes a few days on 6's, it's a nice pile of cash ending up in the top 10 or 20, but not nearly enough to make up for the ongoing drought overall.

While the need to focus on ones PVP squad is indeed important, let's not overlook the events they also spring on us that need other characters at higher levels to participate in, let alone finish completely. No, we don't necessarily need full teams at 80 and 7*, but it's mutually exclusive to both focus on a strong PVP core with a handful of extras for GW, and to have a massive bench that provides enough heavy hitters in a variety of types to complete Jedi and Droid and Rebel and Etc events.

Honestly, with the RNG for shards and gear, the game seems to contain enough grind and artificial roadblocks that adding the credit crunch just seems cruel. So what if we had twice as many level 80's if they're all Gear Level 5 or 6 waiting on the fractally spreading numbers of certain things we need to get them higher. At least those characters would be able to be tried out, experimented with in a semi-useful capacity, rather than most people following the meta blindly because taking a chance with a less popular character could set them weeks or months behind.

Plus, it's not a purely black and white issue. We're all short on credits, but I don't see anyone sensible asking to have 100 million dropped in every account. A simple solution or two (increase the challenge value to 120k+, increase those stupid Bronzium rolls to 10-20k, add 50-100% to the credits in GW rewards, etc) would substantially improve our ability to earn money but wouldn't remotely lead to people 'having a full account of 80's overnight'. We're already talking a grind that can be measured in quarters, if not years, and as they add more levels to the cap, more characters to the pool, more gear levels to grind towards, it's only going to get worse/longer with no end in sight. And I'm not blind to that being the Freemium business model in a nutshell.

But there are shades of grey on this spectrum, and it'd be nice to at least be able to level up a bunch of characters to toy with, rather than feeling that every credit has to be horded for getting another character to 7 stars or 2-4 a level closer to 80 out of the A/B/C teams.

+1

It's nice to see opinions in between, \"give me everything for free now\" and, \"if you don't spend thousands on this game nobody cares if you enjoy it.\" I want a game in the middle of that. And right now this game is way into the greedy side of the grey area. To grind for weeks and months to get a toon to max shards, then to have to wait until next year to actually use him is absurd. Just open the credit tap slightly, so we can use the toons we've farmed to raid for the huge amounts of gear that will take months if not years to acquire.



+1

This exactly. Their time frames are crazy.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2016-06-07T09:53:55.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-06-07T09:53:55.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3746605/message:3746625","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"3353","rawBody":"
\"JRA;464058\" wrote:
\"Forar;463929\" wrote:
Agreed with the credit crunch points brought up, including the math estimating what we're picking up.

Now, there's also the little boost from Raids, BUT hopefully we can all recognize that not everyone is in a guild farming T6/7 Rancors every other day. Mine clears 5's in a few hours and takes a few days on 6's, it's a nice pile of cash ending up in the top 10 or 20, but not nearly enough to make up for the ongoing drought overall.

While the need to focus on ones PVP squad is indeed important, let's not overlook the events they also spring on us that need other characters at higher levels to participate in, let alone finish completely. No, we don't necessarily need full teams at 80 and 7*, but it's mutually exclusive to both focus on a strong PVP core with a handful of extras for GW, and to have a massive bench that provides enough heavy hitters in a variety of types to complete Jedi and Droid and Rebel and Etc events.

Honestly, with the RNG for shards and gear, the game seems to contain enough grind and artificial roadblocks that adding the credit crunch just seems cruel. So what if we had twice as many level 80's if they're all Gear Level 5 or 6 waiting on the fractally spreading numbers of certain things we need to get them higher. At least those characters would be able to be tried out, experimented with in a semi-useful capacity, rather than most people following the meta blindly because taking a chance with a less popular character could set them weeks or months behind.

Plus, it's not a purely black and white issue. We're all short on credits, but I don't see anyone sensible asking to have 100 million dropped in every account. A simple solution or two (increase the challenge value to 120k+, increase those stupid Bronzium rolls to 10-20k, add 50-100% to the credits in GW rewards, etc) would substantially improve our ability to earn money but wouldn't remotely lead to people 'having a full account of 80's overnight'. We're already talking a grind that can be measured in quarters, if not years, and as they add more levels to the cap, more characters to the pool, more gear levels to grind towards, it's only going to get worse/longer with no end in sight. And I'm not blind to that being the Freemium business model in a nutshell.

But there are shades of grey on this spectrum, and it'd be nice to at least be able to level up a bunch of characters to toy with, rather than feeling that every credit has to be horded for getting another character to 7 stars or 2-4 a level closer to 80 out of the A/B/C teams.

+1

It's nice to see opinions in between, \"give me everything for free now\" and, \"if you don't spend thousands on this game nobody cares if you enjoy it.\" I want a game in the middle of that. And right now this game is way into the greedy side of the grey area. To grind for weeks and months to get a toon to max shards, then to have to wait until next year to actually use him is absurd. Just open the credit tap slightly, so we can use the toons we've farmed to raid for the huge amounts of gear that will take months if not years to acquire.



+1

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