Anyone think CLS was a bad idea?

I love the idea of a really strong meta Luke but I think they picked the wrong one. This Luke lost his hand to Vader in combat but in this game he annihilates Vader with no mercy. I think the only Luke who should have this amazing set of skills should be Jedi Luke Skywalker not CLS who was still not done with his training...

Also if they add Jedi Luke Skywalker they will need to make him more powerful than this one, this one is the best character in the game right now. If the other one is even better I think I'm done with this game.

Biggest power creep to date is still Chaze. They will be meta for a full year at least. We're nearly there as it is

"Nastynas91;c-1244923" wrote:
Biggest power creep to date is still Chaze. They will be meta for a full year at least. We're nearly there as it is

At least it was here it began for real....

"Nastynas91;c-1244923" wrote:
Biggest power creep to date is still Chaze. They will be meta for a full year at least. We're nearly there as it is

Chaze was huge in arena, but they were also extremely difficult to acquire. They also didn't dominate raids. CLS is easy to get, dominates arena, can solo the rancor by himself, and also makes soloing P3 and P1 much easier. CLS is absolutely the biggest power creep we've seen.

"Bulldog1205;c-1244946" wrote:

"Nastynas91;c-1244923" wrote:
Biggest power creep to date is still Chaze. They will be meta for a full year at least. We're nearly there as it is

Chaze was huge in arena, but they were also extremely difficult to acquire. They also didn't dominate raids. CLS is easy to get, dominates arena, can solo the rancor by himself, and also makes soloing P3 and P1 much easier. CLS is absolutely the biggest power creep we've seen.

Chaze was an issue because he was a tournament toon. Basically, you were locked out of top ten due to the fact that all of the whales had Chaze, and you didnt. He was unbeatable at the time, and a blight on the leaderboards.

CLS is shiny, new, and people have been wanting him for ages. He is a strong toon with a lot of pve applications, most of which are a slog. He speeds them up, and he most likely fits into CG's plans for current late game content. The pit is designed to be difficult until lvl 80. So the fact that CLS can make it a quick endeavour isnt that huge of a deal, at least not to myself and what I assume to be many others.

As for arena? He hasn't really been an issue for me. I use him in my squad when it helps me, but if i come up against him he has his counters. Honestly death trooper and palps come to mind as my easiest ways of dealing with him. Mist often I just pack my clones with deathtrooper Nd let cody go to work. Bye bye, CLS.

It's fresh. It changes things. Gamebreaking? Nah. Not really.

I imagine that if I was fighting for top spot in the Arena every day and other people had CLS but I didn't, that would be frustrating. But how many #1-#10 ranked players couldn't pick up CLS?

In the meantime, certain things that were possible but that often feel like chores go by quicker. Also, there's not a lot that CLS can do that can't be replicated by another toon - CLS brings all that together in one toon, which is huge, but not necessarily game-breaking.

It means that if you're swapping out toons in GW to achieve certain effects that you don't need to swap as many times. You can use one great set of mods on CLS instead of 4 or more sets of mods on the various toons that fulfill one of different roles that Luke can take on.

And? As much as I wish that EA/CG hadn't made farm boy the log-in character (which I think was borderline deceptive, and was certainly misleading) and had given us a bit more lead time (5-7 days maybe? with the announcement slightly later so that the end of Hero's Journey would be closer to Aug 31 when the last Farmboy shards hit?), they clearly did want to reward the people who had spend the time and effort to collect and gear the New Hope toons.

If that was their goal, then mission accomplished.

Me, I was on the edge of being able to complete Hero's Journey. Fought that thing so many times. Completed early stages while still waiting for Ben's 7th star. Fighting raids in the middle of the Journey hoping to get lucky on gear, pouring resources into getting 4 Mk3 Holos for r2d2 in just 3 days, it was such a rough, frenetic time and more stressful than I want a game to be.

I got CLS with 2 days to spare, but actually told my guild mates I was thinking about quitting - and I was, thinking about it seriously - because the game had become more stressful than fun.

Really, what has kept me in the game were the on-line friendships with my guild mates and the way that Territory Battles is structured around helping each other instead of knocking someone else out of a top rewards category. Maybe other guilds want to compete with each other and trash talk each other, but we're trying to support each other instead.

So I stayed in, and CLS isn't about winning or losing. I'm not concerned with snagging that last possible Arena Rank increase. For me, CLS is simply a way that I can contribute more to my guild as we attempt to transition to HAAT and as we try to get everyone in the guild a ROLO and a Hermit Yoda.

CLS power creep may be bad, but with the new more cooperative aspects of the game opening with TB, CLS as a community asset feels very, very good.

"VirtraThrad;c-1244966" wrote:
CLS is shiny, new, and people have been wanting him for ages. He is a strong toon with a lot of pve applications, most of which are a slog. He speeds them up, and he most likely fits into CG's plans for current late game content. The pit is designed to be difficult until lvl 80. So the fact that CLS can make it a quick endeavour isnt that huge of a deal, at least not to myself and what I assume to be many others.

As for arena? He hasn't really been an issue for me. I use him in my squad when it helps me, but if i come up against him he has his counters. Honestly death trooper and palps come to mind as my easiest ways of dealing with him. Mist often I just pack my clones with deathtrooper Nd let cody go to work. Bye bye, CLS.

It's fresh. It changes things. Gamebreaking? Nah. Not really.

I think CLS break the % of use, DN was the most used toon in segoh history, he have been beaten by CLS.

"Joost;c-1245409" wrote:
I love the idea of a really strong meta Luke but I think they picked the wrong one. This Luke lost his hand to Vader in combat but in this game he annihilates Vader with no mercy. I think the only Luke who should have this amazing set of skills should be Jedi Luke Skywalker not CLS who was still not done with his training...

Also if they add Jedi Luke Skywalker they will need to make him more powerful than this one, this one is the best character in the game right now. If the other one is even better I think I'm done with this game.

If future Jedi Luke needs to be more powerful than CLS, imagine just how powerful Emperor Palpatine should be, because Palpatine >>> Jedi Luke!

@Joost

I love the idea of a really strong meta Luke but I think they picked the wrong one. This Luke lost his hand to Vader in combat but in this game he annihilates Vader with no mercy. I think the only Luke who should have this amazing set of skills should be Jedi Luke Skywalker not CLS who was still not done with his training...

Character-wise and SourceMaterial-wise, I absolutely agree. The game, of course, is inconsistent with the source material in many ways, however.

I'd love a game more true to the source material (since there are many toons that never fought as characters on the big screen, there could still be many surprises in terms of power levels, but there should be fewer of them, and the obvious power level conflicts like Vader vs CLS would better fit the relative powers of the toons when they were still characters in the movies), but I don't think we're going to get it.

On the plus side, the way that Hero's Journey took the Ep4 toons through some scenes reminiscent of actual death star fights might symbolize a move in that direction. Obviously not a huge move given CLS vs Vader power levels, but more than we had before.