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AP Gains’ solution to GAC matchmaking…

… is great. His solution is to allow relatively lower-tiered GP accounts to advance to higher brackets through wins, but disable relatively large-tiered GP accounts from falling below a certain bra...
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"Winterwolves;c-2342616" wrote:
It doesn't match similar rosters. It matches similar results.

Results are a product of both roster and skill. If you have the far weaker roster, congratulations! You must be awesome! (relative to them).


This is my entire point. It only matches results across a broad range of rosters. It should match similar results WITHIN similar rosters. The granularity is too high. This guy would beat me if he put the low half of his 7 stars on D and attacked once. I might get 10 banners for attacking. But how did he get here? He must have lost his last battles. Ok, but was he really my next nearest roster opponent with a similar record in the thousands of folks in carbonite? No way.

Ok, let’s say he doesn’t play and I win with my 10 banners. That just teaches the matching algorithm that I am great and I get even harder op next time. This is why the forfeit penalty is needed.

I also realize that “similar rosters” is a harder algorithm the higher up you go, but in the bottom of the barrel where I am it really does correlate pretty well to GP +- 10%. At 1 M GP I should never see a 2-3M opponent.

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His solution is to allow relatively lower-tiered GP accounts to advance to higher brackets through wins, but disable relatively large-tiered GP accounts from falling below a certain bra...","body@stringLength":"700","rawBody":"… is great.

His solution is to allow relatively lower-tiered GP accounts to advance to higher brackets through wins, but disable relatively large-tiered GP accounts from falling below a certain bracket. The idea is to mitigate gigantic disparities between opponents rosters.

As example, once you reach 7.0 million GP, you can’t fall Kyber 5. This would reward players not interested in competing in GAC with more daily crystals for their large account, and would prevent a newer/less developed account in, say chromium, from facing an insurmountable opponent.

I think this change would lead to many many more hedonic units for the player base.

Thoughts?","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2022-03-03T04:13:16.000Z","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuMXwyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDE","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:pvp","text":"pvp","time":"2016-05-17T20:58:15.000+01:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}}]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3846239_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":2144},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"customFields":[],"body":"… is great.

His solution is to allow relatively lower-tiered GP accounts to advance to higher brackets through wins, but disable relatively large-tiered GP accounts from falling below a certain bracket. The idea is to mitigate gigantic disparities between opponents rosters.

As example, once you reach 7.0 million GP, you can’t fall Kyber 5. This would reward players not interested in competing in GAC with more daily crystals for their large account, and would prevent a newer/less developed account in, say chromium, from facing an insurmountable opponent.

I think this change would lead to many many more hedonic units for the player base.

Thoughts?"},"Conversation:conversation:3846239":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:3846239","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3846239"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2022-03-06T17:05:06.000Z","lastPostTime":"2022-03-06T17:05:06.000Z","unreadReplyCount":49,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3846239":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3846239","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:3846239_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:3846239_1","lastEditTime":"2022-03-03T04:13:16.000Z"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3846260":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:3846260","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3846239"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:70796"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":3846260,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"subject":"Re: AP Gains’ solution to GAC matchmaking…","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3846260"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3846239"},"body":"
\"Winterwolves;c-2342616\" wrote:
It doesn't match similar rosters. It matches similar results.

Results are a product of both roster and skill. If you have the far weaker roster, congratulations! You must be awesome! (relative to them).


This is my entire point. It only matches results across a broad range of rosters. It should match similar results WITHIN similar rosters. The granularity is too high. This guy would beat me if he put the low half of his 7 stars on D and attacked once. I might get 10 banners for attacking. But how did he get here? He must have lost his last battles. Ok, but was he really my next nearest roster opponent with a similar record in the thousands of folks in carbonite? No way.

Ok, let’s say he doesn’t play and I win with my 10 banners. That just teaches the matching algorithm that I am great and I get even harder op next time. This is why the forfeit penalty is needed.

I also realize that “similar rosters” is a harder algorithm the higher up you go, but in the bottom of the barrel where I am it really does correlate pretty well to GP +- 10%. At 1 M GP I should never see a 2-3M opponent.","body@stringLength":"1207","rawBody":"
\"Winterwolves;c-2342616\" wrote:
It doesn't match similar rosters. It matches similar results.

Results are a product of both roster and skill. If you have the far weaker roster, congratulations! You must be awesome! (relative to them).


This is my entire point. It only matches results across a broad range of rosters. It should match similar results WITHIN similar rosters. The granularity is too high. This guy would beat me if he put the low half of his 7 stars on D and attacked once. I might get 10 banners for attacking. But how did he get here? He must have lost his last battles. Ok, but was he really my next nearest roster opponent with a similar record in the thousands of folks in carbonite? No way.

Ok, let’s say he doesn’t play and I win with my 10 banners. That just teaches the matching algorithm that I am great and I get even harder op next time. This is why the forfeit penalty is needed.

I also realize that “similar rosters” is a harder algorithm the higher up you go, but in the bottom of the barrel where I am it really does correlate pretty well to GP +- 10%. At 1 M GP I should never see a 2-3M opponent. 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