Armorer kit reveal?
Armorer kit reveal? 🤔
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"Kyno;c-2216316" wrote:
"ShaggyB;c-2216312" wrote:
I still disagree.
Living the life isnt simply enough either.
Did all of mandolore stop being mandolorians when they became peaceful and stopped doing the old ways?
What of foundlings that suddenly just became citizens in the city instead of soldiers?
Its more than just living the life too.
To deathwatch, yes they kind of did.
It depends when that became part of the creed, but foundlings didnt live on mandalore, but if they were raised a Mandalorian, then I could see them still adopting the title of a Mandalorian even if they stopped being a "soldier", because it's more than just being a soldier.
Jango predates deathwatch's creation.
Jango officially fought in the Mandolorian civil war as a commando. Boba doesnt say what side... but we know the outcome of that conflict was that the peace loving mandos won and mandolore became peaceful and no longer a combat based society.
Going back a step: Qui-gon and his padwan, Obi-wan, went to Mandolore to protect Satine during that original civil war conflict. So we know Jango left shortly after or during that and before episode 1 movie material.
As to Deathwatch, it was a group that formed from the exiles/losers of said civil war who would later regain control with the help of Maul and his brother... only to lose it to Maul. (This included Bo-katan herself)
Noone in what would be Deathwatch felt that they werent Mandolorians and noone on Mandolore recognized them as more than exiles.
Now lets look at Foundlings.
By Mandolorian creed, any Mandalorian warrior who found a child was dutybound to either reunite them with their kind or raise them until they were of age, acting as the child's parent.
When the foundling came of age, if he/she had not yet been reunited with its kind, they could decide to leave or join the Mandalorians. Mandalorians who had been foundlings were treated no differently than any other Mandalorians, possessing the right to bear their armor and even to form their own clans. (If the child and mando were a clan of two... then jango and boba could be as well)
As a side note, before the empire wiped out the Mandolorians, foundlings could and did live on Mandolore.
So how does it all work:
It seems you are either born of mandolorians and automatcially become one or... you are found by one and raised by them as if you are their child. You then get to choose when you get older.
Now certain groups may require you live "the way", but agin thats extremist type groups.
All that said.
Boba has every right to be a Mandolorian and is only denied it for 2 reasons.... 1) Bo-Katan does not care for clones (Clone-ist?) And basically feels his father raising him doesnt count
2) His father figure was killed before he could decide his own fate at the right age.
Technically speaking Boba would always have the right to lay claim to the title Mandolorian as he was being raised by a Mandolorian and he would then deserve to be given the right to choose when he came of age.
He says hes never claimed to be... not that he is not or does not want to be.
And quite clearly Bo-Katan is scared of his skills. He has a code he is following, hence the helping Mando and the Child.... but he has hidden goals that are unclear."ShaggyB;c-2216283" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2216196" wrote:
Jango was a foundling who presumably followed learned the creed, and followed that when he was a part of it as part of his belief or "who he was" at least at some point. Boba did not, or maybe I'm wrong on that, but his commitment seemed to be to himself and his life in the underworld he was a part of.
My point about the engineering is that learning the knowledge vs showing commitment to the path are different things.
Lets go one further. Sabine isnt much of a mandolorian until the end of Rebels but she gets it?
How is Sabine not much of a mandalorian ??. She grew up in one of the main clans on mandalore, it’s always stated she is mandalorian. Just because she wasn’t on the planet for most of rebels because she left the imperial academy doesn’t make her any less mandalorian. If Boba doesn’t see himself as mandalorian I can see why they’ve decided not to include him in the list but you’re way off the mark with Sabine"Dagonsith;c-2216338" wrote:
Except Boba openly admitted to being a mandalorian to Din to show the armour was his by right. To which Din accepted openly and recognized his rights to the armour. The armour that he had literally just taken from a man because he wasn't a mandalorian. But apparently to CG a flippant throwaway retort to Bo Katan for a snarky comment has greater authority than a scene played absolutely seriously and with evidence.
Except he doesn’t openly admit to being a mandalorian. When asked he says the simple man making his way through the galaxy line. When asked if he’d taken the creed he says he gives his allegiance to no one. The only thing he shows is that his father was a foundling and the armour was his fathers. This opens the debate of can he be mandalorian by birthright when he is a clone, and does he consider himself to be mandalorian. I don’t think he does consider himself to be which is why he said what he said to Bo Katan and I’m assuming why they’ve opted to not give him the tag. We don’t get a definite yes or no answer for boba"Chucko_marek;c-2216413" wrote:
\"LordDirt;c-2216358" wrote:
"Iy4oy4s;c-2216199" wrote:
"LordDirt;c-2216193" wrote:
"Iy4oy4s;c-2216148" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2216138" wrote:
"Nihion;c-2216126" wrote:
Should I share my theory?
I’ll share my theory: To me, everything about Boba in the Mandalorian pointed toward him betraying Mando. I thought he was going to pull some epic stuff in Episode 8 that would complicate the plot, like being with Moff Gideon, and that Windu would be the Jedi so that he and Boba could have a rematch. I thought I saw that narrative choice coming from a mile away, but when it didn’t happen, I was genuinely surprised and confused. Moral of the story, I thought that Boba was definitely not a Mandalorian after that, but if Jango counts, I don’t see why Boba shouldn’t. He seems to hold just as much honor as his father.
On that last point, if you are not from the planet, to be a Mandalorian you need to be following the creed.
Him showing that the armor was his fathers got him the armor.
But without following the creed I dont see how honor would make him a Mandalorian.
I can teach my son everything I learned when becoming an engineer, it doesnt make him an engineer.
I know he did cross paths and get taught the ways when he was younger, but that seemed to be him learning skills to survive in the underworld, not due to any commitment to the people/culture/creed, or even his father, which is what IMHO would be needed to be considered for the Mandalorian title.
So I can see why he didnt get the tag in game, but there is and can be a long debate on this topic, since there is a lot to unpack in his history.
Oh oh oh, this brings up an old debate I had somewhere on the forums about Jedi.
So, by your logic Kyno, do you think that Luke is a Jedi before his restarts the Order. By the time Luke comes around, the Jedi order is gone, so the way to become a Jedi is gone. Just because Yoda teaches him some stuff, that doesn’t mean he’s a Jedi, just as your son wouldn’t be an engineer.
But anyway, back in topic. I agree with your assessment of Boba...and by the looks of The Book of Boba Fett, he won’t be acting in the mando way anytime soon...but who knows.
Luke's Jedi trial was confronting Darth Vader. He completed his training, as basic as it was.
No no good sir. There were steps to becoming a Jedi...and those steps went away with the fall of the Jedi Order. Did Luke find his Kyber crystal? Nope. Did Luke pass the Jedi initiate Trials? Nope. Did Luke know any of the Jedi code? Nope. As Kyno stated above, just because he teaches his son all the ways of an engineer, that does not make his son an engineer.
I believe that Luke became a Jedi after he gathered the Jedi texts learned from them and restarted the Jedi Order.
“No. Not yet. One thing remains. Vader. You must confront Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi will you be. And confront him you will.”
Yoda
Luke did create a lightsaber in Old Bens hut. That is why it is green in RotJ. Btw, he was the Jedi in the movie ;)
Maybe the Jedi referred to in the title was Anakin. ;)
"I am Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight and friend to Captain Solo." - Luke in RotJ
"I am a Jedi, like my father before me." - Luke in RotJ- I know this was all a joke, but that’s kind of a cool new way to look at the title, so that’s what I’m going to do
- That was a short return. :D
"LordDirt;c-2216447" wrote:
"Chucko_marek;c-2216413" wrote:
\"LordDirt;c-2216358" wrote:
"Iy4oy4s;c-2216199" wrote:
"LordDirt;c-2216193" wrote:
"Iy4oy4s;c-2216148" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2216138" wrote:
"Nihion;c-2216126" wrote:
Should I share my theory?
I’ll share my theory: To me, everything about Boba in the Mandalorian pointed toward him betraying Mando. I thought he was going to pull some epic stuff in Episode 8 that would complicate the plot, like being with Moff Gideon, and that Windu would be the Jedi so that he and Boba could have a rematch. I thought I saw that narrative choice coming from a mile away, but when it didn’t happen, I was genuinely surprised and confused. Moral of the story, I thought that Boba was definitely not a Mandalorian after that, but if Jango counts, I don’t see why Boba shouldn’t. He seems to hold just as much honor as his father.
On that last point, if you are not from the planet, to be a Mandalorian you need to be following the creed.
Him showing that the armor was his fathers got him the armor.
But without following the creed I dont see how honor would make him a Mandalorian.
I can teach my son everything I learned when becoming an engineer, it doesnt make him an engineer.
I know he did cross paths and get taught the ways when he was younger, but that seemed to be him learning skills to survive in the underworld, not due to any commitment to the people/culture/creed, or even his father, which is what IMHO would be needed to be considered for the Mandalorian title.
So I can see why he didnt get the tag in game, but there is and can be a long debate on this topic, since there is a lot to unpack in his history.
Oh oh oh, this brings up an old debate I had somewhere on the forums about Jedi.
So, by your logic Kyno, do you think that Luke is a Jedi before his restarts the Order. By the time Luke comes around, the Jedi order is gone, so the way to become a Jedi is gone. Just because Yoda teaches him some stuff, that doesn’t mean he’s a Jedi, just as your son wouldn’t be an engineer.
But anyway, back in topic. I agree with your assessment of Boba...and by the looks of The Book of Boba Fett, he won’t be acting in the mando way anytime soon...but who knows.
Luke's Jedi trial was confronting Darth Vader. He completed his training, as basic as it was.
No no good sir. There were steps to becoming a Jedi...and those steps went away with the fall of the Jedi Order. Did Luke find his Kyber crystal? Nope. Did Luke pass the Jedi initiate Trials? Nope. Did Luke know any of the Jedi code? Nope. As Kyno stated above, just because he teaches his son all the ways of an engineer, that does not make his son an engineer.
I believe that Luke became a Jedi after he gathered the Jedi texts learned from them and restarted the Jedi Order.
“No. Not yet. One thing remains. Vader. You must confront Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi will you be. And confront him you will.”
Yoda
Luke did create a lightsaber in Old Bens hut. That is why it is green in RotJ. Btw, he was the Jedi in the movie ;)
Maybe the Jedi referred to in the title was Anakin. ;)
"I am Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight and friend to Captain Solo." - Luke in RotJ
"I am a Jedi, like my father before me." - Luke in RotJ
To be fair when luke tells jabba that first one.... hes not correct. Yoda hasnt granted him the level of jedi knight. Jabba just doesnt need to know that, but from his laugh i think he finds it funny and doesnt care.
Back to Yoda. Yoda tells him he isnt one till he confronts vader.
So your second quote is correct. Whe he tells that to palpatine... he is a jedi as hes done what yoda asked and didnt fall to the darkside.
Palpatine confirms it, for whatever that is worth... "So be it... Jedi"- How do y’all feel about the Armorer(sic)?
So far I’m not big on her "RTS;c-2216924" wrote:
"RoBane1738;c-2216916" wrote:
How do y’all feel about the Armorer(sic)?
So far I’m not big on her
I've seen a video of - in arena - a 3* Armorer enabling SEE to beat out SLKR. There was nothing about the mods etc, but taking the video at face value it looked very interesting.
Personally, if I can't find a way to "force" her to put the buff on a specific character I'm less interested than I might otherwise be, but the SEE video brought her up a couple notches in my eyes.
That was probably my video. I'm happy to answer any questions about mods, etc. The SEE was modded for defense (2x health sets, 1x def set, 4x def primaries). It has proven very consistent over the last day. I recently upgraded the armorer and can now effectively beat pretty much any SLKR team with just 3 characters (SEE + Armorer + Pretaunt).
https://youtu.be/8j-dkv_lj0A"MaruMaru;c-2215397" wrote:
"Iy4oy4s;c-2215396" wrote:
As I have said before, I dont think there will be a kit, as she will have a table in the hall that deals with the "conquest" game mode thats coming. She will craft the "artifacts" needed for that mode. OR OR OR, she will take gear to reforge it to better gear, Mk4 stun guns to Mk5 stun guns, but I think this is less likely to happen as it would clash with the Jawa....just speculation.
I thought so too, especially because of the image in the announcement. But people pointed out to me it specifically says -character-.
yeah, this seems like the more reasonable situation based on the words used.
