Can we get an update on zFinn, C3PO and HSTR?

"C_Augustus1;c-1745176" wrote:

"TVF;c-1745161" wrote:

"C_Augustus1;c-1745135" wrote:

"TVF;c-1744970" wrote:
But she's no longer meta.

Thank you. I'll let my shard know.

You're lucky if she's meta on yours.

Just checked the meta report, there are a lot of lucky shards out there.

Being able to get to first does not define a meta. I think you've misunderstood what the meta report shows.

So an update has come and gone and no mention of this. Wonder if they are leaving as is?

"Sirlagzalott;c-1747753" wrote:
So an update has come and gone and no mention of this. Wonder if they are leaving as is?

I seriously doubt that. There are plenty of examples of them flagging a problem and then taking months to fix.

@CG_SBCrumb I've got a zeta waiting that I'd like to put on Finn, but I'm not going to until I know that he's not going to get nerfed because of the C-3PO loop in P3. Do you think you could update us on what you're planning to do to get rid of the loop? Even just saying what you won't do would be appreciated.

"TVF;c-1745227" wrote:
Being able to get to first does not define a meta. I think you've misunderstood what the meta report shows.

"Meta" has multiple meanings.

The acronym "most efficient/effective tactic available" seems to be the one you're going with, and is relatively singular, and reductive.

It is not the only definition of "meta."

"Meta" can also be short for the metagame. The game around the game. Engaging the play environment and the trends of others' decisions to make your own. In a Sith-heavy metagame, characters who counter Sith become a more effective tactic not because of their inherent power, but because they counter something common, while characters who counter First Order are irrelevant if no one is running First Order.

Both are valid definitions. The meta report provides more meaningful information on the metagame, letting you know what threats are generally relevant in the play space.

"DaPowerfulJedi;c-1747949" wrote:
@CG_SBCrumb I've got a zeta waiting that I'd like to put on Finn, but I'm not going to until I know that he's not going to get nerfed because of the C-3PO loop in P3. Do you think you could update us on what you're planning to do to get rid of the loop? Even just saying what you won't do would be appreciated.

Please, please, for the love of Pete, do not rush them to a decision on this.

The more patience we have the more likely the result will be more to our liking.
They've said they are going to think about this, and I wholeheartedly support that decision.

I'd much rather they take their time and get it right the first time. Put the zeta on someone else if you're worried.

"YaeVizsla;c-1747956" wrote:

"TVF;c-1745227" wrote:
Being able to get to first does not define a meta. I think you've misunderstood what the meta report shows.

"Meta" has multiple meanings.

The acronym "most efficient/effective tactic available" seems to be the one you're going with, and is relatively singular, and reductive.

It is not the only definition of "meta."

"Meta" can also be short for the metagame. The game around the game. Engaging the play environment and the trends of others' decisions to make your own. In a Sith-heavy metagame, characters who counter Sith become a more effective tactic not because of their inherent power, but because they counter something common, while characters who counter First Order are irrelevant if no one is running First Order.

Both are valid definitions. The meta report provides more meaningful information on the metagame, letting you know what threats are generally relevant in the play space.

I'm defining it as the most commonly used team.

I just tried the finn haat team and it was the most fun I've had in a raid that I can remember. just leave it, cg.

"TVF;c-1748040" wrote:
I'm defining it as the most commonly used team.

I hear it commonly used both ways. Picking one or the other as "most" common is questionable, and acknowledging both definitions is a good way to prevent talking past each other uselessly in the future, because Traya is still meta in the sense that she's a relevant part of the current metagame, but is not meta in that she is not the most efficient tactic available assuming a late game player with all units available or theoretical long-term aspiration, but is most efficient tactic available to the many people who don't have Revan available to them at this time, because his event's only happened once and the number of folks who managed to get them are relatively limited. Because the last word in the acronym "meta" is "available," and someone can't be meta on an individual basis if they are not available. It ends up a relative and dynamic term. In brand new shards, Phoenix is meta for a while, because better teams are unavailable.

"Meta" is a term that needs some unpacking.

"Woodroward;c-1748034" wrote:

"DaPowerfulJedi;c-1747949" wrote:
@CG_SBCrumb I've got a zeta waiting that I'd like to put on Finn, but I'm not going to until I know that he's not going to get nerfed because of the C-3PO loop in P3. Do you think you could update us on what you're planning to do to get rid of the loop? Even just saying what you won't do would be appreciated.

Please, please, for the love of Pete, do not rush them to a decision on this.

The more patience we have the more likely the result will be more to our liking.
They've said they are going to think about this, and I wholeheartedly support that decision.

I'd much rather they take their time and get it right the first time. Put the zeta on someone else if you're worried.

I asked him for an update, not to rush out a change.