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gsjjsn's avatar
3 months ago

Can we have a small profundity buff please?

Can we just give Falcon a 100% chance to assist whenever a BH ship is targeted? Its not going to fix everything, however, battle with executor will become less miserable 

17 Replies

  • jamcec720's avatar
    jamcec720
    Rising Rookie
    2 months ago

    Maybe a pirate ship based on new pirate faction

  • We are almost certainly getting Luthen's ship sooner or later. You just have to hold out for that. It will almost certainly be a better lifter than Ravens Claw was for Home One. 

  • 7a52cf4d28bb127a's avatar
    7a52cf4d28bb127a
    Seasoned Novice
    2 months ago

    “Real easing the P1 was to flip the matchup in the Executor’s favor”.

    There is a fundamental problem with this in my opinion, because P1 didn’t cause a Meta shift as much as it straight up killed the Profundity. 

    When we consider the strengths of rebel fleet, it was always: -turn meter gain, -stealth synergy, - calling assists/attacking out of turn.

    The Profundity itself already kills one of those by preventing turn meter gain making half the rebel ships unusable with it (eg Bistan has a good ship, but is useless with Profundity). 
    The P1 kills the other 2, punishing attacks out of turn with deathmark and making stealth pretty much unusable. While also giving attacker extra protection in the beginning to survive the initial blitz.

    I would argue that the Profundity has a pretty flawed kit in some ways ( highlighted by preventing turn meter gain for rebels) that is hidden by its powerful assist synergy. Once this is take away it does not offer much to make up for it.

    If they were make a rebel ship with the logic made to create the P1, it would be like releasing a rebel ship that makes rebels immune to breach for example.

    The problem this kind of approach creates is that to bring Profundity back eventually they would have to redesign its kit or create a ship so ludicrously overpowered that it would completely break the meta again.  And I don’t like this approach to game design.

    at this point the Profundity needs to at least allow rebel ships to gain turn meter. The ideal situation would be where all three legendary capital ships are competitive against each other and that you’d need to invest in all three of them.

  • OfTheVeilGaming's avatar
    OfTheVeilGaming
    Seasoned Veteran
    2 months ago

    No.

    The ideal situation is:

    Leviathan is King (until replaced).

    Executor and Profundity beat everything in lower tiers.

    Negotiator, Malevolence, Chimaera have situational counters to the top trio.

    The FO/Resistance duo have niche use.

    The 3 Starter ships are predominantly useless.

     

    You're arguing the Profundity is "useless" because it cannot beat the Leviathan and struggles against PO Executor. It still beats Chimaera, Malevolence, Negotiator, Finalizer, Raddus, Executrix, Home One, and Endurance no contest.

    You already need to invest in them. Making them "competitive" with one another doesn't change that.

    All the PO did was change how you use Profundity. Stop taking it against Executor. Problem solved.

    Should we release another JML lifter since Rey titled the SLKR matchup in the First Order's favor?

  • I'm 100% the opposite direction -

    Less Capital ships - Reduce capital ship power creep 
    More fleet ships to fill out current capital ship bays

    I'd like to see roster size and development be more impactful than do I have the "newest" thing. I would be all giddy to see Fleet Arena payouts abolished and those averages payments absorbed into GAC daily payouts similar to what occurred with squad. 

    At that point there will no longer be conversations of single fleet vs fleet metas. It will simply be the best developed fleet meta versus each other just like squads.

    But that's just me.

  • 7a52cf4d28bb127a's avatar
    7a52cf4d28bb127a
    Seasoned Novice
    2 months ago

    Look mate, I’m not saying it’s useless against non-legendary ships. But I also don’t think that a meta with only 3 legendaries should be this one sided with one clearly being the worst option. The Profundity requires a larger investment than the Exec, with some of the required ships being incompatible with it due to turn meter denial. 

    We will probably have to agree to disagree on this. But I don’t think that grand arena having 50 Leviathans in the top 50 or 50 Executors in the early game is a good thing.

  • gsjjsn's avatar
    gsjjsn
    2 months ago

    Uuuh, no? The match ups WERE flipped in Executors favor, it has an easier time dealing with Leviathan, and it is now a much stronger defensive ship? Killing profundity makes no sense, and its stupid for several reasons:

    1. Profundity is more expensive. It requires more kyro and an r9
    2. IT WAS RELEASED TO COUNTER EXECUTOR. The idea of pf profundity was stealthing Outrider(by farm the most important ship) and using the falcon's special to make BH target a ship, which has no pilot, which means, its taunt can be ignored, basically giving it an actual taunt. Now, there is not a single way to "hide" Outrider, which is plain stupid. Also, profundity can ability block the ships, and it always goes first? Lets give P1 a dispel, so cringe. The profundity kit was anti executor, why are we making executors kit anti anti executor? This makes no sense
    3. The BS about "beating all smaller ships" is stupid, because GR can basically do the same, should it be a top fleet now? Profundity is also bad on defence, which was fine, because it slammed everything on offense, but now it has serious struggles with executor(the best line up uses Mark 6 and Vader, breaking 2 fleets)

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