As mentioned by a user in the Q&A session, Apple has put in place new rules regarding loot box mechanics in games, namely that the odds need to be clearly and openly shown prior to purchasing a box:Quote:"Apps offering “loot boxes” or other mechanisms that provide randomized virtual items for purchase must disclose the odds of receiving each type of item to customers prior to purchase."https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/In a different game (from Disney), the (often laughable) chances of receiving a specific item are clearly shown already.CG's answer in the Q&A was inadequate to say the least ("discussing with Apple what that means to this game"). It's pretty simple: Show the odds for every item. Period.Edit:Everybody knows why CG is reluctant to show the odds.However, this reluctance is a good sign of bad (predatory?) business practices.

i believe they re looking for ways to loophole the rules. For example, theres a argument that all chronium packs are F2P and as such you dont "purchase" them with real money.

"swgohfan29;c-1498978" wrote:i believe they re looking for ways to loophole the rules. For example, theres a argument that all chronium packs are F2P and as such you dont "purchase" them with real money.Of course they are.But the fact that packs can be bought for crystals F2P players receive via arena payouts / make-goods does not necessarily mean that it is OK to not tell P2P players the odds of their "investment".As I said in my edit above: Reluctance to show the odds clearly is a clear sign of predatory practices.In every lottery, in every gambling scenario, the odds are either known or can be calculated.Not so much in this game (and many other video/mobile games).

"ChickenFett139;c-1498980" wrote:Casinos also do not post the odds of each game in the house. It'd be interesting to see what the Attorney General of Calif has to say on the status.Pretty much all casino games have well-known odds.Slots machines usually have around 95% payout rate (which should be defined by law). So the chances of winning are pretty much known (you lose 5$ for every 100$ you bet).Also, there's only one item you can win (money), so the win/lose structure is way simpler than in games like SWGOH.

"Emmant;c-1498989" wrote:If a product, virtual or not, is a good product, transparency should not hinder itExactly.I would even go as far as putting it this way:....transparency WILL not hinder it.This is not a good sign regarding CG's confidence in the products they sell.

A voice of reason in these forums, I can't believe it!Thanks for your input, @Emmant ! Very well received! Chapeau!

Change in Apple App Store policy regarding loot boxes / Inadequate answer in Q&A

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Nikoms565
8 years ago
A minor aside: most of the Q&A session was inadequate. Based on the fact that they dropped the CLS event with no communication (not even the usual "hints") it seems that it was mostly a PR spin move.

I will be honestly surprised if 3 months from now there is anything palpably different from a player's perspective about this game. At least any differences that are seen in a positive light. I realize that may sound a bit harsh, but I've played this game since launch. If I had a nickel for every "we hear you" and promises to do better, I could buy a vault.
EPMAN13
8 years ago
You dont need any numbers, just expect to get the lowest and worst, if you are ok with that you can bye, if not, dont.
Eiskallt
8 years ago
Stop asking for this information please let me answer this so it can stop this is about Apple and google both companies have to comply with laws that only apply for the United Kingdom and that’s all it’s about if you don’t live there then you will never get the odds as it only applies for them under.geveva convention rules or whatever but it’s just for that country and the laws that apply for them only hopefully this will stop this ridiculous amount of the same posts that are taking up to much space for more important things
scuba75
Legend
8 years ago
"Nikoms565;c-1501336" wrote:
A minor aside: most of the Q&A session was inadequate. Based on the fact that they dropped the CLS event with no communication (not even the usual "hints") it seems that it was mostly a PR spin move.

I will be honestly surprised if 3 months from now there is anything palpably different from a player's perspective about this game. At least any differences that are seen in a positive light. I realize that may sound a bit harsh, but I've played this game since launch. If I had a nickel for every "we hear you" and promises to do better, I could buy a vault.

I hope you are wrong but well.... History.
Remember those dev updates that happen every Friday, till they just decided to stop and not tell anyone why.
We have had dev Q&A before that just stopped
We had a reliable schedule for EP/Yoda events (every other month) that just stopped.

These things just stopped happening with no communication as to why. So.... Yeah.... History.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it
scuba75
Legend
8 years ago
"Emmant;c-1498989" wrote:
Casino’s are subject to rules depending on their platforms just the same. In most casino games the “rules” allow for odds calculation/research - Also there are fundamental differences which makes it a rather weak comparison in my opinion

Regardless, I definately applaud Apples initiative in the matter - Philosophically I feel that the moral thing to do is to provide transparency so people can make educated decisions - If a product, virtual or not, is a good product, transparency should not hinder it

You applaud apple in leaving a possible loop hole?

Apple is a business just like any other and they now about use and provide loopholes.

Had Apple new policy defined the word "purchase" to include virtual, in game and real/hard currency I might give them credit. However all Apple did was leave them and others a loophole, most likely on purpose, and get the consumers hopes up.

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